re-mastered "The feeding of the 5,000" out now

When you assume you make an ass out of yourself

So what your saying is that Crass and yourself are the only true anarchists on the planet? You stupid motherfucker, why don't you come down off your (typically British) high horse

Again you assume that you are dealing with bourgeoisie 'kids' that have done nothing and know nothing, I could give a fuck less about Crass and what went on in England in the early 80's because no one should be idolized as the end all be all of anything and they have absolutely no relevance on real life and real anarchism. If the internet had been around we would have used it as much as we do now, just as we used any tools available to us then. I also see that you fail to mention the court proceedings that the members are currently engaged in against each other which in my eyes negates everything they ever supposedly "stood for". In closing who gives a fuck about what you think, maybe once you are done deep-throating the memory of Crass's ghosts you'll realize that their music is made obsolete and irrelevant by their subsequent actions.

 

As i said - real fucking idiot - i never claimed to be an anarchist - so its you who are assuming here so you just made an ass out of yourself, at least i admitted i was assuming.

I also never said i had an open house policy - another assumption you fucking retarded cunt.

So who is the motherfucker now - Asshole

 

You are, you dumb piece of shit, why don't you go fuck yourself with your Crass worship, nobody here gives a fuck about what Anglo-centric babbling you have to say. Go lick their balls somewhere else, like I said before they, and you are irrelevant.

 

Yes, i see, constructive arguements are your strong point - i can see that now - so to put myself at a level your obviously superior intelectual level can handle - i will piss off you jumped up worthless racist plastic anarchist piece of shit - i was another one who thought i might find some decent constructive arguement on here and was also wrong - wont be coming back here - fuck you very little - now go back to your scum mates and tell em how brave you are on the internet - fucking idiot

 

Don't leave mad chump, just leave... what did you expect a bunch of little kids on here that would be intimidated by your insults? Sorry I'm not claiming superior intellect to any one , quite the contrary, we are all equal, and because of that no one is above criticism, certainly not Crass and certainly not you when you choose to use arguments that are condescending to any member of this forum. Plastic anarchist huh? hahaha maybe I am and maybe I'm not, you sure as fuck don't know with just a couple of paragraphs of discussion between us, but since you seem to be judge and jury why don't you go judge your momma, genius boy?

 

HAHA so you play in an Anarcho band but aren't anarchist.....hmmmmm not that it's a requirement to do so but don't you find that the least bit contradictory...?

 

Hi All - i was going to introduce myself but have just been sent this pile. This person DOES NOT PLAY FOR CRIMEWAVE - he is using a name that i use for my DIY badge business and i am pretty pissed off about it too. Whoever this fool is had better watch out,we are not happy he has used our name to basically troll this forum - Yes i do play for a streetpunk band -i play bass for The Warriors but shithead should have known this instead of saying -will go nameless for now - he got the web addresses right tho - im presuming that he doesnt like Crimewave and came on here to make us look stupid. Well fuck him - only one member of Crimewave ever saw Crass and that was our bass player (who some of you from the UK might know) - to say we are an anarcho band was not too way off the mark but we are not strictly anarchists just hate our government and love music. I did notice in his post he uses some americanisms like dumb ass and things like that - we dont unless we have to to prove a point. We apologise for this idiot - GO ON MINDRIOT I DARE YOU TO SHOW UP AT ONE OF OUR GIGS and introduce yourself - you obviously know something about us coz you also know where we come from - COWARD hiding behind a keyboard - come and see us wanker and stop using my fucking business name to further your useless agenda.

Again apologies to people on this forum thinking this idiot plays for Crimewave - he does not - we don't know who he is yet but will find out.

The only thing he got right is that the remasters are fucking excellent - if a bit expensive - 8 quid would have been a bit nearer the mark but still too much

 

Fuck me this cunt has been using my e-mail address too - just had a load of shit from various different forums he has obviously subscribed too.

Admin - could you please remove this idiot as he is using an e-mail address that actually belongs to me and i dont particularly want to change it as it is my means of contacting people for business and could be very damaging to me and Crimewave and as we havent done much yet could stop us from doing anything further.

I just had a discussion while typing this with our bass player and he is pissed off about it too as it is only me and him that go back to 1980 (when shithead claims to have woken up) and i was too young to go anywhere then.
We do have an idea who it is and it is someone who knows us and we will be knocking on his door - please remove this fool and my e-mail address (which is readily available on various websites so it wasnt hard to find).
I have just had to spend a while e-mailing different forums to get this fucker removed - please remove him. Thanks in advance

 

seems like a good idea to me, we get fucktards on this forum, but using other ppl's email is pretty troll like, and deserves banishment inho

 

Interesting, this. I was also very disappointed in (What Once Was) Crass. Not because of the remasters but because of the ridiculous fights between the ex-members about the remasters. Kindergarten politics. Now that Southern has decided to go ahead and release Feeding anyway I can only applaud that decision. I have read the posts here and could hardly believe my eyes. What great arguments ("you fucking piece of shit") and brilliant logic. Especially the bit about the pricing is so ridiculous it's almost funny. I think some of the posters really need to do some research on inflation. Two pounds then is AT LEAST nine pounds now.

Furthermore, there is NO FUCKING WAY you can get a package like the remastered Feeding produced for the amount of money Ungovernable quotes. Sure, you can release something for that money but it wouldn't look ANYTHING like the Feeding package. There's the CD (color printed label), the gatefold sleeve it sits in (double sided color print), the booklet (64 pages, full color, quality paper, not stapled but bound), a poster (double sided print) and then the box to hold it all (color print). Pretty good value for money, I think. Any other band would release a package like that as a "Limited Collector's Edition" at twice the price.

Okay, collect all boxes and together they make up a Crass logo. Not the most original of ideas, but what the hell. Even that is a problem for some here. Sell out, sell out! Eh, nobody is FORCING you to buy all six (I certainly won't buy '10 Notes', for example).

And yes, you can record and mix in your PC with a few hundred quid worth of software and hardware. I do it too. But does that give you the sound quality and definition of the remastered Feeding? No sir, it won't. Not anywhere NEAR it. This has been a professional remastering job and it sounds fantastic. Those studios come with a pretty price tag too.

It's quite possible that (What Once Was) Crass will make some money this time around. Good on them, they deserve it after all they've done. First of all, they do NOT own Dial House, they are in massive debt because of it. They can do with some cash. Second, they have pumped god-knows-how-much money in the punk scene already. Third, Southern is in a bad state. People have lost their jobs, warehouse closed, etc. If the money from the re-releases will give Southern some new life, then other bands will benefit from that as well. Finally, I don't think the sales and profits will be so massive that we'll see Penny developing a coke habit and buying a Ferrari anytime soon. Or has Coca Cola licensed Banned From The Roxy already?

Sell out? Get real. Sure, it would have been nice if the remasters were a little cheaper than ordinary CDs. "Pay No More Than..", I don't know, a tenner or something. But they're not. Big deal. Nobody is forcing you to buy them and it's still a very good price for what you're getting.

 

I would like to see some of the kindergarden politics, and I guess the conflicts are kind of a proof that not "Crass" is doing this buisness thing, but just certain people who were Crass and grew older, ending up like the pistols pretty fragrance.
there is an old saying in germoney going like that:

it's ok to be a communist if you are 15
but to become 30 and still being communist is stupid.
(anarchist' remark: It IS stupid to be communist)

yes, expectations are high on Crass, what they did is still outstanding and became a example - most people on this forum still regard the music and the lyrics - so it leaves a bad feeling to see some of them (former Crass) becoming "reasonable" and do this buisness thing, instead of still being stupid while growing older like I am.

yes, nobody forces me to buy the re-release - and I will not buy it, I would love to see the booklet with the art work and stuff - but the smell of a "Limited Collector's Edition" is just too bad and I would miss the old "do not pay more..." prints/stickers too.

You got your point of view, I got mine - and it's only ok. this way.

 

So if you kept that profit (what, a dollar per disc?) you'd be a sell out? Interesting judgement. I'm glad you've obviously got other sources of income that pay your bills. Or have people who pay them for you. Nothing wrong with that, mind you. I'm sure it's very comfortable when you can afford a Taliban-like 'holier than thou' attitude. Enjoy it. It doesn't do dialogues much good, though, and neither do personal attacks. So if you don't mind I'll ignore future posts by you (and if you do mind, I still will). Good luck with your release.

 

Absolutely. I was just trying to make a counter point against some of the remarks I'd read here. Nothing wrong with disagreeing as such. (By the way, those Pay No More labels disappeared from the sleeves over 20 years ago.) I can see why some people would think this remastering is wrong but I fear they have an image of the former Crass members that is seriously distorted.

 

So because he doesn't agree with you he is the Taliban? Why not just call him a fascist neo-Nazi while your at it? And stating that you will ignore his posts is really childish, why not just ignore them without posting about it. The release you wish him good luck on is a benefit to keep our sister non-profit forum up and running. And just a little fyi, many of us could care less about Crass, many of us have totally lost faith in them, many of us still love them and think they can do no wrong....who gives a fuck?

 

No dude, read what I wrote.

Because that wouldn't make sense?

Again, read what I wrote. I tried to get a dialogue going but (as more or less expected from his previous posts in this thread) that didn't work out. The guy jumps to conclusions, ignores what doesn't fit his views, and can't resist to confuse the messenger with the message. Fine, but I'm not interested in that kind of 'communication'. (Although his line "CD-ROM are cheaper today than it was 30 years ago" in a message to Mindriot was very funny.)

So? Should I have wished him EXTRA good luck because of that? What's your point?

 

I read what you wrote, and you make several assumptions,

The way I see it he doesn't have a holier than thou attitude, Crass were his heroes at some point and now they aren't and he gives examples why and argues his points with references. But to say Taliban-like is straight out insulting bullshit.

And my point was that you wrote "good luck" in an obviously sarcastic manner.

 

Says the man who wrote "you dumb piece of shit, why don't you go fuck yourself" just a few messages back. But okay, I'll spell it out. The phrase was "Taliban-like 'holier than thou' attitude" which referred to his attitude concerning the remasters. No more, no less. If you can't tell the difference between that and muslim extremists...

Actually, I meant it. [sarcasm ON] And since you've got such awesome psychic powers, don't forget to pick next week's winning lottery numbers. [sarcasm OFF]