re-mastered "The feeding of the 5,000" out now

You're right, but don't take me out of context I was called a lot worse before I responded, I didn't see any comments t'wards you before you started being insulting. Don't worry you aren't the first to try and come on to the forum aggressively without so much as an introduction first, its so punk and anti. Hmmm after only 6 posts you're making great friends here, keep up the great work!

 

I actually can't believe people can fight over one band so much: Crass are a bunch of smelly hippies who released a couple of good records. there not that brilliant and there not people I would want to aspire to. Pacifism and anarchy - bleh complete idealism.

My recommendation: Listen to Shitlickers!

 

Yay! Ungov and I agree!

 

Neither can I. And for the record, I'm not fighting. I'm trying to discuss the other side of the story without calling people fucking idiots every other sentence, without jumping to conclusions, and without only reading what I want to read. Apparently that's not the thing to do here. Oh well... knee jerk reactions ahoy. Depressing.

 

Dude, you are just proving my point... time and time again.

 

More than you can obviously imagine. Anyway, so far I have replied to everybody who talked to me. That's not a monologue, look it up. And I'll decide myself if I stay or go, if you don't mind.
(Shit, I forgot to add at least one 'fuck' to every sentence in this message. Sorry about that.)

 

Dude, please stop. You're making a fool of yourself and you've already jumped higher than I ever thought you would. It's funny to watch but quite sad at the same time. Let's just leave it at this, okay? I really have nothing else to say to you. I could continue to answer your posts but that would just be baiting to make you rant. Too easy and unfair. Besides, I'm not interested in an endless quest for the last word.

 

i guess part of it is "cultural", rien, to me you sound very british, and to leave no room for assumption i say that i like it, but i needed quite some time to get used to this kind of "snobbish" warfare when i was living in GB. you're not fighting?
you are, the british way, starting with your 2nd post - and after this recent trolls show people who aren't used to this started jumping high.
so why not come down from the battles' lookout point and start changing points of view instead of covered and naked insults.
i would like to know some more about the struggling ex-members points of view for example.

 

Sorry, you're wrong. I'm not British. Not that it matters much. Also, I don't consider my little pin pricks 'fighting' but that's a matter of opinion, I guess. I'd say I'm just answering without shouting 'fuck' every second sentence.

In any case, my viewpoint on the Crass remaster is pretty straightforward and I think I've explained most of it in my first post. In short: I have no problem with it. Of course people are free to disagree with that, no problem at all. What I don't get is the sheer outrage and name calling it causes. You'd almost think that Crass has some kind of sacred obligation to stay the same forever and ever. That's unrealistic, just like expecting them to stick to a 30 year old pricing policy is unrealistic. It would be nice if they had, but they haven't. What's the big deal? That's something I'd like to find out. Why are people so angry about it?

For a clear background on the problems between the ex-members, read this interview. It sums it up better than I can:
http://www.viceland.com/int/v17n8/htdocs/anarchy-and-peace-litigated-490.php?page=1

 

I thought you posted that you would ignore Ungovernable's posts, couldn't do it huh? People are entitled to their outrage and name calling just as you are entitled to be bewildered about it, just don't be so surprised when you aggressively confront someone on here to get the type's of responses you did....cheers Rien

 

Sorry, forgot to mention that the stuff about the remastering doesn't start until page 8:
http://www.viceland.com/int/v17n8/htdocs/anarchy-and-peace-litigated-490.php?page=8

 

I'm not one for quotes but in this case I'll throw a Penny Rimbaud at you: "I’m willing to sit and listen if someone is willing to sit and talk, but I’m not willing to be insulted by anyone." And that's the whole point. You may believe they are entitled to it, fine, but it makes me lose all respect and willingness to talk. Not because I'm hurt or upset (I mean, come on) but because it's just too stupid and simple. If you can't get your argument across without insulting people you are on very shaky ground to begin with. In my opinion, anyway. I've even had face-to-face discussions with neo-nazis that managed to clearly discuss their views without resulting to calling the other side a fucking cunt (or whatever), and I certainly expected to find the same level of respect between us (more or less like-minded) anarchos here.

But if people feel the need to insult me, I'll just yank their chain a little for my own amusement. What lil'apple called British warfare. Because hey, if you can't respect me why should I respect you? I never start a fight but I don't turn the other cheek either. (Although I would hardly call that exchange with ungovernable a fight.) Now that's more than enough about me. Let's get back on topic. And cheers to you too.

 

I feel the same way but unlike Penny the Hippy I will gladly trade insults and more if that's where someone wants to take it, nobody has to 'earn' my respect, it's automatically given, but once I am disrespected then it's fair game as far as I'm concerned, as in the exchange with the troll Mindriot who began by calling everyone here idiots, and as much as you defend what you wrote... associating someone's written opinions with the Taliban was in poor taste. Just sayin'...

 

I only said that after being called a fanboy with shitty arguments who falls for a masquerade. So... I think I've been quite mild so far, compared to the insults I've had thrown at me since. And again, 'Taliban-like' referred to the uncompromising attitude towards making a profit. I do not suggest anybody here supports the stoning of women. It's more like "as uncompromising as the Taliban", a figure of speech. But anyway, I believe I already said that earlier.