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US Attacks Libya

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Anxiety69, Mar 20, 2011.

  1. Anxiety69

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    Team America, World Police strike again...

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/afr ... 04704.html

    U.S.-led coalition forces have launched more than 100 Tomahawk missiles on key air defense sites across Libya as part of operations to protect the population from the forces of long-time leader Moammar Gadhafi.

    U.S. Vice Admiral William Gortney outlined what is being called "Operation Odyssey Dawn" several hours after he said the missiles started hitting more than 20 Libyan sites.

    "The United States military has and will continue to use our unique capabilities to create the conditions from which we and our partners can best enforce the full measure of the U.N. mandate. Our mission right now is to shape the battle space in such a way that our partners may take the lead in execution," he said.

    He said Admiral Sam Locklear was leading the operations from the USS Mount Whitney in the Mediterranean Sea.

    A U.N. Security Council resolution was approved Thursday in New York allowing outside forces to use all measures necessary to protect civilians in Libya, where eastern rebel-controlled areas have been under attack.

    Admiral Gortney said one British submarine was used as part of Saturday’s strikes as well as U.S. ships and submarines. He described Libya’s air defense sites as being built with old Soviet technology.

    He said some countries who were taking part in the military operation had asked to be identified, while others wanted to announce their involvement themselves.

    "Of the coalition, the countries that have asked us to mention their names, of course, the United States, UK, French, Italy and Canada. The other countries have asked for them, that they want to be able to make the announcement and it is the same for the Arab countries as well," he said.

    A mediation delegation from the African Union was due in the capital Tripoli Sunday, but as sites in and around Tripoli were also reported hit, it was unclear if that mission would go ahead.

    Earlier Saturday, French fighter planes which had departed from France flew over Libya bombing at least one tank that a senior French military official identified as belonging to forces loyal to Mr. Gadhafi.

    Leaders from France, Britain and the United States have said the operations are necessary and that Mr. Gadhafi’s forces were still staging attacks despite warnings to stop.

    Libya’s head of parliament, Abdul Qasim al-Zuai denied this, saying a ceasefire was in place and that the missile strikes were what he called a "barbaric aggression" from Western powers. He said civilian areas and civilian infrastructure were being targeted.

    Earlier in the day, Mr. Gadhafi wrote a letter to President Obama and other world leaders saying they would regret what he called "intervention in the internal affairs of Libya."

    Libyan state media said the strikes caused casualties in Tripoli.

    At a summit earlier Saturday in Paris, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Libyans like other Arabs were fighting for democracy and freedom from oppressive regimes and that it was the duty of outside powers to help them.

    The British Prime Minister David Cameron said British forces were helping end what he called "the appalling brutality" of Mr. Gadhafi’s government.

    Several countries have spoken out against the operations including Russia and Venezuela. Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez said it was irresponsible to create more deaths and more war.

    The International Committee of the Red Cross called on all warring parties to spare civilians and respect international humanitarian law.

    The armed rebellion against Mr. Gadhafi began last month, following people power movements which successfully toppled long-time leaders in Egypt and Tunisia and spurred uprisings across north Africa and the Middle East.
     

  2. Bakica

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    Come on, U.S aka oil-hunters pretend to be 'world police' again. I wonder how many people will get killed by americans down there. The only thing they should do / should have done ages ago, is to kill Gadaffi.
     
  3. Munsta

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    You mean the US, France and UK attack Libya with support from Spain, Italy, Canada and the Arab League. And the UN. It's not a US led operation. The title is misleading. Before anyone goes and compares this to Iraq, it's completely different.
    Is this a good thing? I don't know honestly. The rebels have been asking for help and they do need it. Something had to be done to stop Gaddafi bombing residential areas and brutally killing civilians. The coalition says that they have no plans to send gound troops to Libya.I hope this wont turn into an occupation.
     
  4. JoeyV

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    I think That Is most Likely
     
  5. Munsta

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    Unfortunately yes. Most likely they're gonna send in "peacekeeping forces" there after Gaddafi is taken down. We've all seen what good they do. Only time will tell, but I hope they don't fuck this up.
     
  6. butcher

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    wonder how many civilians will end up collaterally liberated by these air strikes...

    "Finally, there is the worry that the Arab spring will be derailed by events in Libya. If uprising plus violent suppression equals western intervention, the long-suffering Arab subjects of the region's remaining autocrats might be coerced into sticking with the status quo."

    why typical CIA procedure of arming dissident forces was not undertaken suggests to me that maybe the rebels may not be deemed a reliable US ally (read: functionaries).
    What this strategy (if it is one) aims to achieve is currently beyond my comprehension.
     
  7. JoeyV

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    I know this is off topic but have you people heard Of the 15 year old girl in Iraq (I think) That got gang raped by 7 US troops, then they burnt her body and killed her little sister and mother?
    I just heard about it at yesterdays anti war rally at hollywood. Wow
     
  8. butcher

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    i hadn't.. well.fucked.up
     
  9. Bakica

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    It's not about occupation, but profit. Oil is really important and the prices have rised. Anyway, why didn't they act sooner ? And, why are they bombing cities if there's a chance of innocent civilians getting killed ? Why don't they just snipe Gaddafi ? I've heard that some of the anti-rebels have made a "living wall" around Gaddafi's house
     
  10. SurgeryXdisaster

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    Maybe the CIA ran out of drugs to sell
     
  11. Munsta

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    Indeed oil plays a part again. If Libya shuts down their oil supply, prices will rise everywhere. I believe they didn't act sooner because UN always takes a huge amount of time to get anything done. Many were still unwilling to begin actions against Gaddafi. I don't think it's as simple as sniping Gaddafi. I'm sure he's somewhere well protected. There's a lot of different information about the bombings. The coalition says that they have only targeted anti-aircraft weapons. According to Libyan state TV there are civilian casualties, but I have very hard time trusting them. So far I haven't seen any other reports of any casualties. The Arab League and Russia are criticizing the extent of the attacks. The Arab league is apparently still planning on sending military equipment to the Libyan border, while they've sent troops to Bahrain to suppress the revolts there. According to Gaddafi, he has armed civilians to fight for him.

    I can't understand why they're supporting the rebels in Libya while at the same time supporting the Bahrain government and ignoring Yemen and Syria altogether. Oh no wait, yes I do. No one in the region really likes Gaddafi, while they are friendly with the others.
     
  12. Bakica

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    Anyway I have read there are around 60 casualties ( I'm talking about civils)
     
  13. JesusCrust

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    This is basically how I feel also. I had a conversation about this with somebody last night. I mean, they are supposedly siding with the rebels, and Gaddafi HAD to be stopped, but I'm not sure if this is the best way to be doing so...

    Yeah. I heard that there too. Fucked up. I like how as the march passed the CNN building, the scroll banner on the outside of the building told that the first missiles have been fired, and the march stopped to say something about that. Ironic. I tried to take a picture of that with protesters underneath it, but I was a little too late, and the march started again before it had time to repeat.
     
  14. Bakica

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    :lmao: sorry, what's the irony ?
     
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    As we were marching passed a news building, the electronic sign outside was announcing that the first missiles have just been launched against Libya. I wanted to catch a picture of that announcement, with a crowd of anti-war marchers underneath, but I couldn't do it in time.
     
  16. Munsta

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    Apparently the Libyan army has called for a cease fire. I wonder how loyal the army is to Gaddafi. It seems that many high ranking officers have already sided with the rebels and the rest of the army could follow, which would mean that this ends quickly. I still can't find any info on casualties other than what the Libyan state TV is reporting. There are doctors in the are reporting that there have been a lot of people brought in, but I really can't tell if they're talking about after the attack begun or if they're talking about from when Gaddafis troops were bombing cities. I guess I'm going to be up all night watching Al Jazeeras live feed again...
     
  17. SurgeryXdisaster

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    Yesterday was protest against 8 years of war and occupation in Iraq
    There were marches in a lot of the major US cities


    :ecouteurs:
     
  18. butcher

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    I forget where I read that it may be n Gaddafi's interests to have a ceasefire, let the secret police do the work instead...

    Inre casualities, same as you, only sauces I've heard have been Libyan State TV.
     
  19. JoeyV

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    A bit late on that news my friend :)


    Was a Great Rally.
    Those Religious people had so much hate though, one guy even had the nerve to go in the rally and preach to people.
    Also had some communist preach to me about there communist movement. To be honest it seemed like a religion, and they we're just trying to make a profit off of communism. They charged for their news paper, and charged to see there "leader". bullllllllllshit

    anyways
    Of course this war is for the oil. That's all it ever is.
    I'm sure when this is all over we will still see US occupying Libya.
     
  20. butcher

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    SAS has been operating in Libya for weeks

     
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