Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Outlaw_(A)_Punk, Oct 1, 2009.
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Any good sites for vegan recepies ?
nice to see some vegetarians on this site. Im an vegetarian for 8 mounths now and it fells awesome and im straight edge as well.
theppk.com (post punk kitchen)
Theres recipes at my animal rights website http://clawanimalgroup.co.nr
I am a vegitarian, and I want to be become a vegan vegan food is too expensive.
Being vegan isn't more expensive as vegetarian. If you insist on buying soy/almond milks, fake cheeses, mock meats and prepackaged meals, then yes, but if you invest in a decent vegan cookbook, or several, you'll probably spend less money than you would on meat/cheese/milk. If you're interested, look up the cookbooks Vegan With A Vengeance, The Veganomicon and Soy, Not Oi! They rule, and are all super easy to cook, and use cheap ingredients.
I think limiting my life is bringing fascism upon myself. I'm straight edge without the label. I'm proudly vegetarian (I still son't wear leather) because I hate killing, and I don't think you need the straight edge label. Just be smart with your life and be responsible
another dinner is possible is a good one too, as is barefoot and in the kitchen also a good book to read is vegan freak it really helped me make the transition from vegetarian to vegan about a month and a half ago nutz!
I've been Vegan for 8 years, vegetarian for 3 months before that. I'm kind of one of those people who, when they finally decide to do something, they just do it whole-hog. I have to say though, it has not been as tough to me as it seems to be for many. Perhaps it's because I'm interested in issues of food and the environment anyway, as I attempt to become a permaculturist/farmer/gardener/etc. (choose all that you find inoffensive), or perhaps it's just that I have lived in primarily rural areas and thus have more ready access to healthful produce, cereals, and so on in exchange for labour, barter, swapping, or at whole-sale prices, that are not often found in cities, but I've never had any health problems from it, and really, as I've gone on, keeping a relatively open mind, I have to say, I've only become more convinced of Animal Rights/biocentrism as an ethical position, though I hope I am safe in saying my thinking on it has become much more nuanced than at the outset. To those hoping to become more vegan, I would look into various and sundry resources. Obviously, veganism is informed first by ethical considerations so understanding those are important, I would recommend a slim tome, "Vegetariansim for the Perplexed," which rather dispassionately and apolitically walks you through a lot of the basic statistics and 6 of main arguments (with counter-arguments) from which veganism draws strength. Don't be afraid to read into it though, honestly, animal rights, of necessity include human rights, so there's no real need for antagonism there and studying either will likely only lead you to a deeper understanding of both. I would generally avoid PETA and the National SPCA as they are primarily lobbying groups concerned more with their image and electoral politics than with actually helping animals. Local SPCA chapters are oft-times very good, as are a number of animal sanctuaries if you can find them. SASHA Farm Sanctuary is one I know of. The internet is full of vegan recipes, and if you take the time to learn some basic info (like how to make seitan), you can actually reduce your grocery bill a TON. Likewise, look into nutrition, I haven't finished it yet, but the THRIVE Diet book has a lot of info to at least consider when it comes to vegan nutrition (though I'm somewhat skeptical of the author as he sells 'vegan supplements' and stuff, though he does give you the recipes for everything he sells in the book). Be aware of b12 in-take and how to obtain it from vegan sources (like home-brewed kombucha and other living foods, high quality nutritional yeast, and, to a lesser extent, fortified foods like tofu, almond milk, etc.). DON'T go soy cray, and I would recommend avoiding the more processed soy products (soy protein isolate, texturized veg/soy protein), these are difficult to digest in large quantities I've found and derive from industrial agribusiness practices, which, while not under the purview of veganism in its strictest sense, still deserve ample consideration. ABOVE ALL - Don't mistake veganism for the end-all be-all of animal rights activism. At most, it is a passive consumer choice that helps to make one more aware of their own relationship with what they consume. The majority of animal-based industries (and industries in general) are built for global export and heavily subsidized by the government (so they are often largely insulated from demand shocks [and, in fact, often manipulated into maintaining aggregate scarcity], which is the most vegans could hope for by merely changing their consumption patterns [and not likely in any case given the proportion of vegans to non-vegans]). Animal Rights/biocentrism/etc. critiques some of the most radical and fundamental 'Othering' that humanity has ever done (of animals and immanent nature), and because of this, is potentially more intersectional than many other specialized 'rights' positions. Look for these bridges and don't fall into the trap of looking down your nose at people who are not vegan. I was ardently anti-vegan as a teen but no one ever gave me that same condescension back, and after a while, the only thing I could do was look at myself. If you condescend people, you'll just end up alienating yourself and not convincing anyone. Personally, though it is slow, I find that simply embodying a healthful, vivacious, and studied alternative to an animal-consumptive life-style is often more compelling to people than constantly butting heads. If anyone needs any tips, recipes, arguments, etc. feel free to message me. I've never considered myself sXe, because 1) I enjoy a small array of drugs in relatively small quantities to go along with various recreational activities (music, reading, hikes, dancing). 2) For one reason or another, I've never had a real issue with controlling my use, i.e. on a whim, I will just stay more or less totally clean, indefinitely (that is, without thought being given to if or when I might use again). I often find that when I pick up use again, it is likewise on a whim (after enough time has passed that I feel confident I could, if I wanted to, totally abstain in perpetuity), but I tend to keep it to weekends or celebrations, and I make a point to not let it affect my relationships, job, self-perception, activism, etc. 3) I have an array of allergies, which include most pharmaceutical anti-biotics and over-the-counter drugs, so I find that when I'm sore, or my stomach is unsettled, or I have a headache, etc. a small amount of weed tends to help about as much as an advil or somesuch (and with less damage, since I vape or eat it). 4) While I don't have any problem with edges individually, collectively, I have not found them to be very understanding (though I'm sure many level the same criticism against vegans), particularly when it comes to issues of addiction. I would think, of all communities, sXe would be most interested in helping to rehabilitate people and changing the culture of which drug abuse and escapism more generally, are but a symptom, giving people a positive drug-free environment and scene to engage in, particularly in the punk milieu, since there is so much overlap otherwise, but that is not what I have encountered. Basically, viewed from afar, there doesn't seem like enough is being done to change the culture that incentivizes rapacious drug-use or rehabilitate individuals who are addicted (which again, I acknowledge, might also be said of vegans, i.e. that we don't do enough to dismantle the conditions that lead to animal abuse and slaughter, being content to wallow in some sort of pseudo-ascetic, and thus exclusive, lifestyle). That all being said, I give mad props to OG sXe's, Ian MacKaye being at the top. I've seen him deal with drunk assholes at a show and he fucking held it down without escalating the situation.
I'm Vegan, and straight edge, but without the label.
Im Straight Edge, True Till Death. I eat meat too. I can see where vegetarian/vegan are coming from. But i just cant not eat meat. I got no issue with what others do. its only an issue when they start trying to change me. One issue is Hardliners though. They just need to fuck off. From what ive read on wikipedia, (i know not the best source, but it really hasnt steered me wrong yet) Hardliners are basically just Straight Edge Militant Christians. They are pro-life, support abstinence till marriage and think sex should only be for procreation(which means they are basically homophobic too). Then they are Militant. If you force your beliefs, your no better than the people you are trying to fight against.