re-mastered "The feeding of the 5,000" out now

ANARCHY FOR SALE !!!

fuckin' ridiculous...who are you people? This whole topic is redundant to anarchism, there are so many, much more important topics on this forum that largely get ignored for the sake of vacuous and vain discussions of bands like this one...it makes my stomach turn

 

Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Very clever, I am so impressed. Boy, have you got me pegged.

Let me put it this way. Reading your posts in this and other threads, it soon became quite clear that you only know three ways of dealing with facts/views you don't like: you'll either ignore them, distort them, or ridicule them. You also attack the messenger instead of analyzing the message, you jump to conclusions, you prefer half-truths you like over facts you don't like, and you keep confusing a statement with an argument. All this makes a fruitful exchange of views as good as impossible.

So I can do two things.
One: I'll just play with you again, push your buttons and watch you explode at predictable intervals, like I did earlier in this thread. But that would be baiting and I already said I wouldn't do that anymore. Besides, I'm bored with watching you jump.
Two: I'll just think "Fuck this, life's too short, I've got better things to do."

I picked number two. No surprise there. So by all means enjoy your brilliant analysis of my personality above, it's really good, and have a great self-righteous life. Oh, and don't forget to add some more bullshit after this message.

 

Have a glue bag you two and shut up haha it hurts my eyes to read that much ranting!

 

i still think it's important at least interesting, but... even my favorite source of inspiration slips back in the bag:

 

wait a minute damn you guys are good at getting someones comments the wrong way what I by above stated is that if i could be having a pretty decent living (witch for me is being able to eat and drink having a place to sleep - would definitely be a squat for me - and maybe every once in a while go to a nice gig) if i could do that by doing what I love (witch is making music) i would be very grateful for that

secondly i did not want to defend crass for making all this money without even making new music because that is just wrong

hope i made myself a little more clear this time

 

ok so the government sucks but welfare is ok? a little contradictory isn't it but about the job you're right and i do have a job and i probably always will but it would be nice not to need a job and being able to just do the one thing you love to do most to make a living out of it would be even better not to need money to make a living though

 

I don't think it's contradictory to live on welfare in times of capitalisms alienated working and chronical mass unemployment, (do they owe us a living?) personally I like what I am doing at my job (kind of landscape gardening/tree-surgery), but I really hate dearly the need to accept the slavers chain and limit my work down to market-orientated necessities, just to pay the high cost of living.
so I wasn't that glad to keep my current job after some recent trouble - my favorite fucking boss just didn't find a better slave and to minimize the risk, I agreed once more to let him live off me.
Besides this, I think doing some kind of work is a chance to learn something and get advanced abilities which may become very usable in a future without capitalism and authority.
Until then, its really intresting how to manage living, work, activism and music all together without becoming a sellout - thats where the whole thing gets nearly back on topic: "how to feed 5000 without rip-off and bad taste?".

 

FOOD NOT BOMBS!

 

And I am quite pleased to see my favorite sources of inspiration still working:

and because I forgot about this point:

and:

THEY DO OWE US A LIVING!

 

sorry to burst your bubble dude but by draining money from the government you also draining money from the people you say you stand up for that's right the tax payers

 

huh? Do you really identify the people with the corrupt and already-drained-by-lobbyism-state?
Next step could be: Everybody who doesn't pay taxes won't get no welfare, or
Immigrants on welfare are a danger to the people.

And besides: I would rather pay Ungov for AP.net than to be forced to "invest" in the german afghan adventure, because "our freedom" (to be forced to pay) is defended with my taxes in kabul...

 

you guys are probably right. for me though i don't like living on welfare because i want to do something for the money i get.(no i'm not saying you do nothing ungov, i think that funding art or something like that with wellfare is totaly ok) also i think it's kine a "eating out of the hand i wanna bite" idea and i personaly don't like that

 

yes, I think we are, but cheers to you for your pride of yourself - even if I think your point about "eating out of the hand I wanna bite" is a bit too romantic, because "the hand" doesn't really feed you, the system is just trying to cover up the worst visible poverty, preventing the public eye from realizing the real mess.
but there are some social science studies saying that the amount of money you get from welfare for living isn't enough to prevent people "degrading" and become unable to integrate back into regular work and living.
a few years ago the german gov came up with a reform of the unemployment insurance and the welfare laws in general, cutting down the time you get money for your payed premiums to 12 months- no matter how long you have payed - after 12 months you get "down" to welfare and then the real trouble begins.
They came up with a work duty for recipients, so you are forced to work for 1,25 euros per hour, mostly in "unqualified" jobs in public services without any regard to your previous profession or a chance to get any kind of qualification for your future. People still working as "wage slaves" start calling you "welfare slave" and if you refuse to work under these circumstances your welfare money is reduced or cut completely.
The high unemployment rate prevents you from getting out of this mess, so you really have to struggle on your own - and do everything to become a wage slave again.
I've been ignorant about this mess for too long myself, but now I get the notion that it's already kind of a social warfare what happens - so no sympathy for the enemy!
And after loosing my job a few weeks ago, I desparatly try to find a new one - but for what?
Just for the living as a wage slave again and that's really hurting my pride...

 

damn dude that's some fucked up shit I'm from Holland myself and as far as i know the welfare things are pretty good right now but will probably go down the drain really soon after the last elections witch had a completely far right outcome but we'll probably just have to fight back and hope it doesn't last too long with our own blonde adolf hitler in there: geert wilders (for those of you who haven't heard of him search him he's a far right politician who thinks his right to freedom of speech is to offend Muslim faith he's just down right nazi scum) but lets get back to the topic I am going to see steve ignorant live the 16th and I am looking forward to do so and if I have enough money i will buy the re-master and upload it here cuz I read that some of you still wanna hear the album so please reply if you want or dont want me to upload it if I am able to get the album

 

Guess nobody around here will buy it, for me it's too expensive, so yes - upload it if you get it, thanx in advance and concerning geert wilder adolf - you have my profound sympathy!