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Nihilism/Existentialism

Discussion in 'Entertainment and off-topic discussions' started by Unite&Resist36, Jun 27, 2011.

  1. Unite&Resist36

    Unite&Resist36Member Forum Member


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    What is everybody's opinions on these philosophies? I thought nihilism had something to do with early anarchism and the Russian Revolution...
     

  2. Green_Destroyed

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    I have some pretty heavily existentialist views. As I see it, existentialism fits perfectly with anarchism. In order to be better equipped to create your own meaning in life and transcend our modern cultures twisted values, one must be free from any oppressive system. As for nihilism, certain forms of it work quite well with anarchism (some of which I've heard called "post-nihilism"), though more "free for all, nothing matters so fuck it", reactionary nihilism (aka the type Nietzche despised) has no place within anarchism.
     
  3. AgentOrange

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    In my Opinion, Nihilism is a pretty fucking poor attitude to have.

    Sounds a lot like "all shit, nothing matters anyway, so why do anything at all." for me.
    this negative way of thinking will not change anything, or at least will animate no one to do so, if one thinks the way. (guess thats the "reactionary nihilism" you mentioned, green_destroyed)
    in conclusion: some stupid 'no future'-way of thinking, providing no alternatives (in itself).

    though: I'm not sure if I would call it nihilism at all, but this "post-nihilism" you heard of, seems to be about "currently, everything's fucked up and nothing matters, let's build something better" for me, would sound better, though I wouldn't call THAT nihilism at all, 'cause:

    for me, nihilism includes a pretty negative way of thinking in general, that's the reason I don't really like it. plus, knowing a bunch of nihilist ignorant assholes does not help at all for that matter. :lmao:

    just my two cents

    (maybe for the record: I never cared enough for the topic to do further researches, apart from reading some Nietzsche, was horrid for me, at least in terms of message...)
     
  4. Caps

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    Philosophically speaking, I see Nihilism as the most logical starting point. There are no deep truths or morality. This seems inevitable especially if you reject the God hypothesis. Therefore, we have to construct our own truths. This brings us to a subjective and probably as somewhat existentialist way of thinking. My personal standing is that utilitarian principles are the most logical and therefore the most constructive to furthering existence. This then leads me to anarchism because I believe an egalitarian, cooperative society would bring the most happiness to the greatest number. So I think nihilism and existentialism are, personally speaking, both interesting and valuable.

    Hope that makes sense.
     
  5. Shuei

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    Existentialism is a big interest of mine. Definitely. Nihilism, as described by Nietzsche, is also quite interesting. Both of the philosophies I've found to have a big influence on me and my life, simply as defining my way of thinking.
     
  6. SurgeryXdisaster

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    I can see how you interpret it that way, as many of the so-called "not-future" punks do.
    But when combined with existentialism and a dash of libertarian thinking; it's more like:

    "all shit, nothing matters anyway, so why not create a better positive future for myself and others."

    To quote that movie from the 90's

    "It's only after we've lost everything, that we're free to do anything"

    The acceptance that you are on this planet without purpose, that the human race is on this planet without purpose,
    is the liberating chance to give your own life meaning
     
  7. Septimiuss

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    I think that is a little bit too close to moralism, but what would Nietzsche that demented anti-semetic fiend really even care, I mean first we gotta remember that Nietzsche was no angel it was amazing how he could have so many good lines right next so many ignorant racist ass ones... also that he did have the syph, and that affected his mental health and at times his coherence that being said 'Hammer of the Gods; apocalyptic texts for the criminally insane' is a must for any aspiring J cat.
     
  8. vAsSiLy77

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    Bits of information about "Fritz, the antisemit"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_ ... -Nietzsche

    for more details:
    Carol Diethe "Nietzsches Sister"
    Jenny Disky "It wasn't him, it was her"

    Google for "nietzsches sister" and you find lots of other articles about "the lama" (Fritz about his sister)

    I personally don't like his writings, in his sane time he just felt that the society he was living in was standing on weak feet, his conclusions were wrong and ending nowhere - and then came tha llama... and funny: Even some "intellectuals" fell for 'Lisbeths work without ever realising, "The Will To Power" is only the most prominent case.

    What ever came out of nihilism/existentialism?
    The fact that we are one big coincident without a purpose means nothing, so I don't need fancy theories to build my part of the universe the way i like and wave the red-and-black and a clenched fist towards those, who pretend it's theirs to destroy.
     
  9. stab116

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    I have never read his books, but I do know some stuff about Nietzsche and I'm pretty sure he's not anti-semetic. Firstly, his works had a profound effect on Zionist intelectualls, like Israel Eldad, who translated some of them into Hebrew. Secondly, I've heard that Nietzche used to employ sarcasm, as well as metaphors in his writings, which may sometimes make their true meaning debatable. At one point he says something along the lines: "The blond-haired lions will rule the world.". This has nothing to do with Aryan supremacy.

    Nietzsche's association with anti-semitism may be a result of the fact that Hitler used to quote him and visit his museum. But Hitler never read Nietzsche and like many other thinkers the Nazis promoted, they used to censor the parts of the works they didn't like, or they used to misinterpret on purpose etc.

    Anyway, I don't really know much about Nihilism/Existentialism, but philosophy hasn't managed to truly impress me so far. The way I see it, philosophy should lead to a moral way of living. But very few philosophers managed to do so. I think that people like Gandhi, Buddha, Jesus or Socrates deserve more admiration than people like Kant or Mill.
     
  10. butcher

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    The 'nihilism' you refer to inre: pre-Russian Revolution is different than the way the term is employed these days, ie the former was kinda like Marxism but with the lumpens as the revolutionary agent of change. here's the wiki anywayz... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narodnik
     
  11. SurgeryXdisaster

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    you're joking?

    From Beyond Good and Evil;
    "The Jews, however, are beyond any doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race now living in Europe"
     
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