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Misconceptions about punk

Discussion in 'Music, punk scene & subcultures' started by nodogs_nomasters, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. nodogs_nomasters

    nodogs_nomastersExperienced Member Experienced member


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    People have a lot of them. So what are some of the most absurd you've heard of in your day? Mine's probably that The Sex Pistols are the punkest motherfuckers to ever walk the earth and were the fathers of punk. My brother tried telling me that the other day, hahaha. :ecouteurs:
     

  2. RememberGlencoe

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    The idea that every punk starts off listening to Blink 182 or Green Day first, and then involuntarily digivolves over time into a crustie. Like what encyclopedia dramatica said in their article on punk, but with a straight face.

    Or the idea some kids get that they HAVE to love Black Flag. I myself, prefer Raid. Greatest hardcore band ever, although Hot Shot is a close second.
     
  3. NoGodsNoMasters38

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    I told someone once that I liked crust punk and he asked "You mean like Sum 41?"
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    The more bands you can quote, the punker (adjectival) you are, despite being a walmart shopper.
     
  5. taufan99

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    Oh God, there are A LOT of misconceptions about punks in Indonesia. A lot of people believe that, for example, all punks are alcoholic delinquent vandals that always look messy and smoke cannabis. Even worse is that some (like two of my teachers in my school) believe that recently, punks also commit serious stuff like gangbanging a woman 'till said woman gets HIV. Pretty sad. :'( :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs:
     
  6. nodogs_nomasters

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    Ouch.

    I've gotten that before. They're always really belligerently insistent that I MUST like this or that shitfest because I said I like punk.
     
  7. RPenis

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    I love the movie cliché where punks hang out with skinheads while listening to rap and pull out knives when they're angry. That's just perpetuating an age gap if you ask me.
     
  8. RememberGlencoe

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    That weird word association kind of thing outsiders seem to have between punk and juvenile degeneracy? I've noticed that, too. Seems every token "scary teenager" is either an attempt at a punk or a wigger in mainstream media. Maybe with a dash of pseudo-goth added in for good measure.
    Outsiders never really saw past the Sex Pistols, and the archtypal delinquent lines up pretty well with McLaren's boy toys. Other than that, they know of the Ramones and Nirvana. Both of those just blur with rock and roll as a whole, though, so as far as the squares know, punk ended in 1978.
     
  9. SmokeyJoe

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    That being punk means having a neon mohawk and wearing a spiked leather jacket.
    That being punk means being a dick.
    That being punk means sucking at playing the guitar while someone screams unintelligibly over it.

    I think that's what bothers me so much about the idea that the Sex Pistols are the epitome of punk: They've always struck me as being more focused on being as loud and offensive as possible over any actual message they might have been trying to convey. Sure, everyone that spends two seconds researching punk music comes across Anarchy in the U.K., but when you look at the lyrics, that song was full of every bad stereotype the state perpetuates to smear punks and anarchists. How punk can you be when you're perpetuating government propaganda?
     
  10. Vulture

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    In defense of the Sex-Pistols, I think they were witty and sarcastic. These characteristics are essential in punk in a time when punk was just sprouting. It doesn't go much further than that. They went with fucking EMI and Warner, fucking shits. They had no political message either...
     
  11. SmokeyJoe

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    Sarcastic? Sure. Witty? That might be stretching it.

    My main problem with the Sex Pistols is that they perpetuated all the bad stereotypes about punks being mindless, drug-addled delinquents. If they were original at anything, it was being the kind of fake sellout punks who were only interested in the look and didn't have a message beyond a juvenile attempt to be as loud and offensive as possible.

    Don't get me wrong, loud and offensive is great--provided you actually have something to say. The Sex Pistol's music was the equivalent of a four-year old giggling and shouting dirty words at the mall. That kind of crap hurt the movement more than they helped it, because it convinced a lot of people--including many would-be punks--that that's all there was to it.
     
  12. Sti

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    It's alright to think there are stereotypes. We are right knit. Because if we didn't have a general station then there would be no punk. You have officially achieved a stereotype, welcome to punk. A misconception I encounter, people seem to think punk isn't a movement. It goes up and up. When I make a realization then I think that you should base your next realization on that. It's stupid to think there is another idea? Secondly, why am I blowing not air.. To other punks? If your going then to because this is serious business, your personal ideal means Jack shit to me. Because I am someone else and I don't give two shits. I came to punk to escape what was normal in 2008 which was the rise of radio rap and snitching and respect and blah blah blah. To think tthere are rules to individuals that you know more than that individual is disabled at best. Why can't people pick punk?? We exist, for real and you just don't have the eyes to see. We need friends and love.. More than anyone
     
  13. Sti

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    I like the sex pistols lyric and it is political as all fuck, she lived in a tree she was an animal she was a bloody Christ.
     
  14. StopWarEatBananas

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    I hate all of the stupid pop-punk like Green-Day (and a bunch of other stuff that I can't name because I try my best to avoid it) music that people think is real punk. The very word, pop-punk is an oxymoron. Punk is the antithesis of popular culture, therefore pop-punk is just a facade of "punk" that actually doesn't even look like the real thing, with ridiculous music and self-centered lyrics.
     
  15. CroydonTouristOffice

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    The general idea that punk = studded jackets and hammering power chords. I don't really have a problem with that sound or that aesthetic - hell, it lends itself to a good party atmosphere more than anything else out there! But it does annoy me that so many people define punk using such unimaginative terms.

    Cardiacs and The Cravats were more punk than The Exploited or Anti-Nowhere League ever were, even if they didn't wear their punk uniforms.
     
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