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Middle Eastern Revolutions!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by SurgeryXdisaster, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. Annie

    AnnieExperienced Member Experienced member


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    putin predicted an egypt "civil war" like in syria on a russian radiostation, some 35 people died in clashes between tahir-movement and mursi-followers. the later also attacked the republican guard in cairo.
    president adli mansur called out for national tolerance and reconciliation, but transition chief of state mohammed elbaradei's inauguration was blockaded by the salafist al-nur-party, because they see elbaradei as the most bitter enemy of mursi. western commentators stated, elbaradei's leadership is the main problem for a calming of the situation. gaza radio reported, elbaradei would try to integrate the muslim brotherhood into the political process again.
    well, that's many perspectives again...
     
  2. Annie

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    afp reports today:
    members of the muslim brotherhood call for a popular uprising
    an attack on protesters demonstrating for the ex-president mohammed mursi resulted in 51 dead and 435 wounded.
    after the shooting close to the domicile of the presidential guard, their party called for a "uprising of the egypt people". according to their claims fire was opened on a group of praying men by soldiers and cops.
    protesting against this "massacre" the salafist party retreated with "immediate effect" from the negotiations for the formation of the new government.
    on the contrary the egypt army blamed the recent violence in front of the domicile of the presidential guard on "armed terrorists". the state newspaper "al ahram" quoted an army report "the terrorists attempted to storm the compound held by the presidential guard. during this assault soldiers and cops were attacked and one officer killed.
    according to eyewitness reports the attacks were comitted by armed civilians.
    the EU condemned the excessive violence and indicated possible effects on the financial help for egypt. a speaker of the foreign office expressed its dismay about the violent incident in cairo. "it exists great concern that there will be a further escalation of the violence in egypt" he said.

    there is still the open question, who will become the transistorial chief of state. the salafists blocked the inauguration of the secular opposition leader mohammed elbaradei, from circles close to president mansur it was expressed, that the economic expert siad bahaa eldin is a candidate for the office.
    the salafist party al-nur already expressed it's reservations against bahaa eldin.

    the highest religious teacher of the sunnites, grand imam ahmed al-tajeb announced, that he will enter enclosure and remain far from public life for the duration of the violence in egypt.
    he demanded, that the actual transistory government should hold the office no longer than six months and a committee for "national reconciliation" should meet within two days.
     
  3. dr.. dee

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    found radio gaza today with a world multi-band receiver, one commentator expressed his opinion that the salafist party is about to play the dirty game of a kingmaker, using their in-between position between mursi and mansur/the next trans-president. in his opionon they try to benefit from the fear of losing economic aid coming from western countries.
    the hope of support from the west was according to them, the main reason for the success of the muslim brotherhood in the previous election, because europe and the us favoured them much before their secular competitors.

    they also reported about organized convoys coming into alexandria and cairo, carrying pro-mursi protesters from the more rural strongholds of the muslim brotherhood, reinforcing the already present protestors fighting against the tahir-movement and the egypt army.
     
  4. Rebellious twit

    Rebellious twitExperienced Member Experienced member


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    as i hope you guys are still not believing that the military dind't coup the bloody revolution...
    i know it's still islamists who protest but the military is going too far, and no more bloodshed should be spilled...

    what is the anarchist movement egypt doing could something provide with some infomaition please?
     
  5. fubarista

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    Pretty good summary of Egyptian situation here: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/A ... 5915.shtml except that the official death toll is now at least a hundred more.

    Somehow I rather doubt if many people in Egypt are still saying that 'the army and the people are one hand.'

    Even if there are elections, the Egyptian ruling military junta (SCAF) is still the Egyptian ruling military junta, just as the military-industrial complex in the USA remains in power no matter who is "elected."

    I reposted the linked article on my website along with this commentary:

    "The reason the United States gives the Egyptian military junta $1.3 billion a year is to protect Israel. For the purpose of protecting Israel, all non-Jews are considered to be enemies or potential enemies of Israel and therefore must be kept under strict military domination. No matter who appears to be in power in Egypt, the US payments go only to the military junta and may be used only for military training and weapons. With no other enemies, the mission of the Egyptian military junta (SCAF) targets the Egyptian civilian population. In the United States itself, military-industrial rule is thinly veiled by means of an elected government that is beholden to and controlled by the military-industrial complex, and the military precision of the police who wiped out all Occupy encampments nation wide were only a taste of what would be forthcoming if there was a truly effective social movement. Can anyone possibly imagine that the Egyptian military gets its money, its weapons, and its training from the US without also taking its orders from the US? According to Wikipedia: "For each year of 1976-2002, Israel was the largest recipient of U.S. military aid. Egypt was second-largest 1981-2002. Since 2002, Israel and Egypt have remained among the top four annual recipients of U.S. military aid." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_aid Within the United States the military-industrial complex spends billions of dollars funding elections so that it can appear to be a democratically elected government with the consent of the governed, however when any segment of the citizenry attempts to withdraw their consent, however peacefully, the reaction is always state violence, revealing the capitalist imperialist military-industrial rulers for the undemocratic police state they really are. And just like in Apartheid Israel itself, much state violence is against people of color, as, apart from tokens like Obama, Condi, Clarence, Colin, etc., people of color in the US never fully consented to government racism."

    SCAF is armed, trained, and paid by the US for the purpose of suppressing civil unrest, as civil unrest in Egypt would be considered a threat to Israel. But then civil unrest anywhere is considered a threat to any military government, and no surprise that military governments respond to perceived threats militaristically.

    Had the US been surprised by or opposed to the junta's violence in Egypt, funding would have been cut immediately. That has not happened and will not happen, as was the case with the military coup in Honduras and similar situations in many other countries. Lockheed and other beneficiaries of US military aid to Egypt must be rejoicing. If millions of Egyptians go into the streets to oppose SCAF, the US will send SCAF the ammunition to kill as many as they wish. A little collateral damage is just business as usual for the world's military superpower.

    I wonder why so many protesters never seem to realize that when they make themselves targets, they become targets.
     
  6. nz61287n

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    I disagree, US military aid to Egypt was predominantly concerned with oil and what US government officials saw as regional stability. While Egypt doesn't really have oil, the Suez was/is a key transit route for European and world markets. You also have to look at the type of aid the US sent, mostly high tech equipment such as top end jets (first Phantom Jets and then F16s and tanks). Such equipment made the Israeli government uneasy and obviously not ideal for quelling internal unrest. For the US the suppression of unrest in Egypt was a secondary not primary objective. The primary objective was to create a very mobile high tech Egyptian military capable of quick strikes/responses, aid to Israel shared the same objective. The US looked to build forces that could quickly react to disturbances to the supply oil from the Gulf and bolster a supporting presence for the Gulf states undermine the USSR's in the region.
     
  7. punkmar77

    punkmar77Experienced Member Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    And American bombs will be falling on Syria in a matter of hours.
     
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