Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by butcher, May 3, 2011.
I was happy when I heard about this.
yeah these NSM assholes are always marching around Riverside but we always give them a great counter protest!
His own 10 year old offed him... Interview with late Neo-Nazi Jeff Hall In January, we spoke to the NSM leader who was killed on Sunday By Dave Maass Among those in the white-nationalist community and those, like us, who follow it, the death of Jeff Hall was huge news. The Riverside County resident served as the public face and regional director of California's National Socialist Movement, more commonly known as the Neo-Nazis. The 32-year-old, who used the rank of "lieutenant," ran for the Riverside County Water Board and was involved in high-profile activism in Arizona. According to the L.A. Times, Hall was shot in his home on Sunday and police have taken his 10-year-old son into custody as a suspect. In January 2011, we interviewed Hall after he posted a note on a message board that the San Diego unit of the military-style political party was recruiting. We never ran the interview, but we transcribed it in light of his death. It provides an interesting glimpse into not only the organization, but Hall's own voice. We have made minor edits to eliminate repetition and half-finished sentences. We have also deleted the writer's digressions and moved one question and answer so it is more appropriate in the flow of subject matter. Otherwise, the interview is largely uncut. Q: How big is the membership in San Diego County? We don't discuss the size. Q: Is there a ballpark figure? Are we talking 5 guys or are we talking 5,000? We don't give numbers, but I will say collectively, the NSM is the largest pro-white group in California. We have three units in California: San Diego, Inland Empire and NorCal unit. Q: Why don't you guys talk about size? First of all, I signed an agreement, a non-disclosure form. I don't talk about numbers, names, or the size of our group. Q: I understand names, I was just wondering what the rationale is for numbers. I don't make the rules. I follow the rules. Q: That's interesting. It just makes it difficult for me to be able to quantify. I'd say 70 percent of our membership don't, whether it's their jobs, family, whatever reason, they don't want their faces on television or newspapers. They will not show up to rallies. And yet, San Diego was alone was able to pull about 25 to 30 members to a local rally, which isn't bad.... Sometimes it's just hard to get people active and out on the streets. That's been an issue I think for any group. Just because you feel strongly, you have convictions, doesn't mean you necessarily show up for street-level activism. It's not for everyone, but if one small unit can pull that many members onto the streets for a local rally, that's not bad. [The San Diego unit] also conducts border operations along with the Inland Empire Unit. We work together. Much like the Minutemen, we patrol the border on observe-and-report operations. Q: How often do you do that? It depends on how many days we're going for. We had a regional border operation in Arizona and that was for almost a week and we've done that a couple of times. Last year I believe we were in Arizona three times for anywhere from three to five days. The California border, we go out there for just a couple days and we do that twice a month on average right now. Q: So when you guys are out there, observing and reporting, you guys ever come across anything to report? Oh, yes. Three out of five operations at the California border, we observed crossings and we reported them. In Arizona we've come across dead bodies. In fact I myself had to fill out a police report after finding a body in Arizona. There's crossings all the time. You just put yourself in the right place and there's always something to report, every time you go out there. Three out of five times you're reporting someone who's literally jumping over the border fence or running from Mexico into America. The majority of the border has no fence. Q: Where did you find that body? That was in Arizona. He had actually gotten a couple miles into America. Q: Was he shot? No, it was dehydration. It was during the summer and it was a hot one. When we were out there, it was actually the fall and I think it was 110 or something. You find bodies, you find tracks and garbage, but a lot of times you do see a lot of action. If Americans really care about the border they would actually stand at the border because it doesn't take people out there with firearms. It doesn't take all the protests to beef up security at the border. What it takes is Americans getting out there like the Minutemen do, like we do, to stop these illegal crossings. Our border patrol is heavily underfunded and that's just how it is and Americans need to stand up. If you are truly patriotic, you need to be willing to defend your land. Of course, we're not advocating violence, we're not calling for any illegal activity or vigilantism. What we're calling for is Americans to simply stand up at the border and say you're not allowed to across and to report any illegal activity they encounter. Q: So you guys aren't armed when you go down there? You go to the border unarmed, that's pretty dangerous. But never in the many, many years that we've been doing it or I, myself, have been doing it have we ever been in any danger or our lives been threatened to where we ever used a firearm. Mostly what you see are people, whether they're drug runners, whether they're mules or they're simple people just trying to get here for work. If the border patrol is called in, as soon as they see the border patrol vehicle, they run. They're gone. They go back quicker than they came in. So, there's no need to put yourself in a position where you would need to defend yourself or there's no reason to call for violence. There's no reason to promote any such behavior when simply they see you or they see border patrol coming, they're gone. The cartel doesn't want to lose their drugs and the people coming here, they'll try another way another time. Q: Is there any military training involved? Depending on what you're doing. When we take guys out you have to learn how to use a radio. Some of our guys use two way, so they have to have their ham licenses. We show you how to use the night vision, show you how to move around and we actually have a course here that we use and we're looking at actually purchasing property in Arizona for a training ground. Q: A few months back, we got all these press releases from the US Attorney's office about "Operation Stormfront," with a bunch of white nationalists getting arrested. Did that affect you guys at all? No, no. We do not promote any illegal behavior. In our monthly meetings, what we talk about is National Socialism. They're very family oriented. We concentrate on state and national politics. We study and discuss the theory of American National Socialism and ways to practice the elements of National Socialism. We talk about practice, family unity, building strong bonds with friends and neighbors, community service. We have several NSM units throughout the nation that have registered and started adopt-a-highway programs, where they clean up the freeway or the highway. We have the signs and someone always complains about it and it goes to court and we win and that stretch of highway's never been cleaner. Some of our guys do graffiti clean up. We believe we serve all communities by patrolling the border in Arizona and California. Some people just donate time and money to charitable organizations in our community. But we do talk about charity work and community service, living a drug-free, non-dependency life. All our members must be drug free. If we see someone is an alcoholic, even though it's legal, it's a drug, and we try to get them help before removal. We're very strict and just basically living a righteous life of morals and values. We don't promote any of the illegal activities that land people in jail. Now, I can't say that all of our members are angels, being the largest National Socialist group in America, we have three units in California alone, we're in almost every state, we're in a national group. When it comes down to it, honestly the most abnormal thing about our group is how normal everyone is. We work 9-5 jobs. We try to pay our bills and take care of our kids. Q: I remember the original post I saw on Stormfront.... Someone had posted a link to American Front. These are different organizations, right? Do you guys work together? Are you guys in competition? No, there's no competition. There's different groups. Obviously, a Klan organization is going to be Christian based. The vast majority of Klan organizations are not National Socialists, they're capitalists. They might have that pro-white element, but they're not as political. The National Socialist movement is a political organization. I ran for water board, myself. I didn't do too bad, 30 percent of the vote for a dry run, not investing any money, just seeing how we could do. We're going to hit it harder next time. Brian Holland was the National Socialist presidential candidate. We're a political organization, where these groups are more religious, so you choose a group where you fit in. The National Socialist movement isn't a Christian-based group. We don't bring religion into it. We actually work with many, many of these groups throughout America and our NSM Britannia unit over in the U.K., they work with several different organizations. Their supporters sometimes come out to our events or just order off our website to help us fund our projects. I'm not saying that all groups get along. It's just you like you have these open border groups, you have a thousand of them because a lot of them just don't get along for whatever reason. You do have a little bit of that. Some entire groups out there will put down other groups, but you see those groups usually have 5 to 10 people, you know what I mean? Their entire national organization is smaller than the meetings we host here. That's why. Because they're not conducting themselves with honor and dignity, which is what people look for within the white movement. Q: So how did you guys react to the Gabrielle Giffords shooting? Obviously the guy was very disturbed, you know? He was at all ends of the spectrum in his political and social beliefs. He was at two different polar ends and the guy was basically a nutjob. You can't turn around and say it was her fault. But she has her own political beliefs and you can't say the guy who did it was a nutjob and that's it. Obviously, the whole thing is disturbing. She was shot over political beliefs, at least you can only hope it's political beliefs instead of just she was picked at random. It's a scary world where you have crazy people doing crazy things, but we have no reaction. It's just some random incident, some nutjob, making poor decisions, if he was even thinking. Q: The only reason I ask is because we had a local guy... [I tell the story of Aurick the Great White Elf] What you're talking about is your textbook Net Nazi. Those are people that talk big on the computer. They want other people to start a revolution. They want to call for it and if anything good came out of it, they would want to take credit for it. When it comes to going out in to the streets like the NSM does, they're a no show. He got out to a very safe environment with a political candidate where he could wave his sign and say, 'This is my boy.' I think a lot of us have gone to support a candidate that they like... I tell you, when you're out there and you're holding these rallies and saying this is who I am, this is what I am, this is the banner I fly and you're marching through riots like our members have, it's a little different. Whether it's the riots in Toledo or last November in Arizona, it's our guys out there standing by their beliefs. We're not the guys waving the signs around or making wild videos. We're the guys running candidates or running ourselves. Q: If somebody wants to come and check out what's going on, what can they expect? Are you they going to go through some sort of screening process? Surely there are elements that would like to infiltrate the local NSM chapters. We do have security. We do ask you to fill out an application. Your application is reviewed. You are asked to give some personal information. Then you are on probation until you're accepted into the group. I, myself, have gone through a background check and I've signed a non disclosure form to be where I'm at. So, if you're going to have names and contacts, privileged information, you're going to be going through a background check and you're going to be signing a non-disclosure form. But if you're just a member, you just want to be a party member, you can fill out an application, send in cash for donations. If you just want to play a supporter role, if you want to come to meetings, you can come to meetings. In other words, you know John next to you and you know Cindy to the left you, but you don't have their full names, you don't have their address and phone number unless they trust you enough t give that to you. Each member is told you don't know who the person next to you really is and you slowly build up the camaraderie with the new people. It's just like anything in life. We do have tighter security than most groups, but it has kept us going for 36 years. Q: When you join, are you assigned a rank? You start of as a probate and then depending on what division, you either go to private or storm trooper, then it's private, private first class. It's just like the army. How do you move up? Is it merit-based or is it like some sort of Scientology thing where you pay money and do classes? [Laughing] No-no. None of our members are as nutty as Tom Cruise. First of all it comes down to commitment. You need to make it to meetings, you need to learn about National Socialism, the ideology, and then you need to take on responsibly. Those who are doing what they need to do, those who are dedicating themselves and taking whatever's offered, classes, and those that take on additional responsibilities, those are the ones that climb in rank. If you show you can handle responsibility, then you're given responsibility and given appropriate rank with that. Q: How does the due system work? The due system? It's 10 bucks a month. That's pretty reasonable. We're probably the cheapest, because we're so large and we have NSM88 Records, we don't need to charge a lot to fund all of our projects. http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/blog ... -hall.html
I hope the young lad is okay and not already a clone of his xxx-father - private possession of firearms is idiotic, so the idiot died an idiots death - truly family orientated. The pic gave me the shits with this DIY-ss-costume, guess the creep wasn't able to find germoney on a map - and I wonder how they manage not to get lost "at the border"?! but that's national socialism, the fuehrers own garbagemen... fuck them!
I just hope it wasn't something as horrible as sexual abuse of the boy that drove him to shoot his father, for some reason the first thing that came to mind :/
Some master race, eh? I was gonna post this but you guys stole my thunder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violen ... ted_States guess I'll never get behind the john-wayne-thing...
Does he not realise that this proves that his entire little operation is built on a false economy, and that border patrol actually doesn't stop people getting in? DUH!
i was joking
I know and I messed up the *edit, mixing my worries about this whole "rights' (as in idiots) bear arms" thingie. Thank punk and the german weapon control tradition, so our youth only waterbombs... The whole thing is a propaganda gig, running around in funny costumes, doing the "community"-thingie and attracting mindless gunmen with soldiergames and racist paranoia. I guess they don't give a shit about the effiency of their little game, all they want is to promote an image to attract more zombies to ripp off and order around. We saw it in germuney too, especially after the "re-union" with the former communist east part, when lots of ex-cop-spooks, pimps and hooligans turned into "cadres" of the nazi-groups and started to recruit boneheads. Most prominent example: Rainer Sonntag - shot in june 1991 in dresden with a pumpgun he sold only a week before his death to the very same pimp that shot him after Sonntag tried the ol' racketeering and extortion game on him. the bad part of the joke was germuneys greatest nazi-parade at the burial of this "hero"...
With the wonders of Global Warming, our yoof can't even throw waterbombs anymore. i remember my school used to turn on the sprinklers during summer lunchtimes for us starry eyed young ruffians, no longer... Soon we'll issue teh kiddies with stilsuits along with the french legionnaire hats Shit, makes me feel like an old man talking bout the 'gold old days' where times were good, lollies were plentiful and the aboriginals couldn't vote. :/
Lost all hope in that after realizing that we live inna temperate climate zone - the only waterproblem here is the Thorazin-pollution of the drinkwater reservoirs, and even after an administrational balloon-shortage the staircase defending rebells found out that they can plastic bags instead... it's a dripping defeat we've to take like adults...
Having firearms is not the problem it is not teaching your kids and family how to use them properly and safely. I would never have kids so it wouldn't be a problem in my home. However you need to teach your kids firearms safety from a young age, don't just say these are bad and off limits and then expect the kids to listen. If when they are old enough buy them a .22lr rifle or even a BB gun and explain to them how to use it properly and maintain it and completely de-mystify them and make them less of a problem and store your firearms safely these deaths are not going to be as much of a problem. Kids like disobeying their parents just like we like disobeying the government humyns naturally don't like to be told what to do so they like to do the opposite. If they don't have the negativity put on firearms that many people put on them they are less of a I gotta play with that and more responsibility. Firearm safety is KEY! If you cannot be safe with a gun than you shouldn't own one. Your kids are going to find the gun if you don't get too them first. All anarchists should be armed and know how to use their firearms and practice practice practice. Seriously. The cops, the right wingers and the military all have guns should we really be unarmed? (I am not talking about shooting anyone) Obviously though follow all firearms laws in your area no matter what and always when going to a range listen to the range officer and be safe. Having illegal firearms isn't going to help much but having a legal one and learning how to use it is very important. My recommendation if you are seriously considering getting a firearm check out Glocks they are simple semi-auto pistols that are easy to maintain and take care of and also can take a serious beating and still work really well. They are quality built to last and last and last shot after shot. Many cops and military folks use them for good reason. After shooting 2 of them (A 17 which is 9x19mm and a 22 which is .40 s&w aka the FBI round), holding numerous others and owning one (the .40 s&w) I can say they are really great firearms. Sure they aren't cheap but cheap guns tend to be well cheap and not as useful. You want something that will fire even after being buried in the dirt for two years or that will fire in water, and a Glock has been proven to do that. If you are looking for some help picking out a firearm feel free to PM me I am happy to help. If you are looking to break laws regarding firearms or buy something illegal for your area I am not able to help. Fuck the NRA and the GOA! BTW here is an old video from an anarchist/anti-fa gun club http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrpdzulICk&
UPDATE: Riverside Police spokesman Lt. Ed Blevins around midday Monday said that Hall’s shooting “was an intentional act” and that one of Hall’s children has been “booked for investigation of murder,” according to the Associated Press. Blevins did not name the child, although earlier media reports indicated his 10-year-old son. Blevins said the motive for the shooting has not been determined, and that an autopsy was pending. The Riverside County coroner’s office in a press release said that Hall died of a single gunshot wound “fired by a known assailant.”
Does that mean the boy is arrested and detained/taken to custody? In home-sweet-germ-oney he would have been given over to the youth authorities and most likely get medical/psychological support, criminal discretion starts at your 14th birthday, if you're younger than 14 there's no way to punish you for anything you've done, even if it @LiveVeganStayVegan Thats why I say: Don't underestimate the youth's devotion to do their most important job: Watching and imitating the adults to learn this way - and it's too bad that this learning is far from being predictable. We live here with three young graces, sometimes all eyes&ears for what's going on around them and it's not them alone, they are reinforced with lots of kids from the neighborhood, some older and far more influenced by media and society in general than our girls. Disobeying parental authority is a must for a healthy development, kids have to find out about their own good and it's limits, too bad that it's not only "to do the opposite" - but "I have to do it myself to get the experience with it". "Right or wrong/dangerous/stupid/unnecessary" aren't categories you're born with, you have to learn it the (sometimes) hard way and the locals here still suffer nightmares of the training sessions with kitchen tools that were necessary to make sure the girls grow up with all 10 fingers... imagine that with a gun?! There is no safety with kids, they tend to forget the lessons one gives them in the exitement of having found a way to the mystery, they "know" that something is dangerous, but they didn't realize the consequences. Kids and guns in the same household is like russian roulette... Sorry, it doesn't works that way, we had it twice in germ-oney: In the revolutionary chaos at the end of WW! and again just before and in the early months after the nazi-takeover 1933. Leftwing self defence groups always tended to have more scruples than their rightwing opponents, always membered by thugs and idiots who gave a shit about a life and justified their murdering with "red terror", I think we are just too "good" for that, best example in history would be spain 1936 - 1939 - even if you include the stalinists private war against the leftwing opposition. Just compare the numbers of victims on both sides - I think we shouldn't make the same mistake again. The aspect of resisting the cops or the military via armed groups is suicidal, in times of massdestructive and area weaponry the dangers for uninvolved non-combattants are just unacceptable. The wise guerilla don't gives the enemy the obvious advantage of firepower, but chooses his tactics for his own goods: Mass action, fists, feet, knees, maybe clubs and stones - but nothing that would provoke an answer we couldn't stand against. Don't waste your time at the target range, go out on the street and organize your neighbors, mates in school and job, or best weapons are our brains and the organized majority of the people.
@LiveVeganStayVegan I am a pacifist, but according to you I have to buy and learn to use a gun to be an anarchist? WTF. Like gobbledigooks says, when we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it, clearly you haven't learnt much from it. Don't you fucking realize that guns and firepower are a battle we'll NEVER WIN? Itchy and Scratchy from the Simpsons illustrated that point better in one episode, no matter how cool the guns you have, the other side will come up with something more overpowered, forcing you to do the same and thus beginning a vicious circle that will never end. Do you really want anarchists all over the world to waste their time buying guns, learning how to use them and then shoot the police/military forces just to be crushed by their overwhelming resources? Isn't it better just to use the time and what little resources we have on informing people and creating awareness?.
It's ATRAZIN, gobble ol'pal, Throazin is the stuff we mix secretly into your tea - to keep those white mice away from you... And in general I agree: Private arsenals are dangerous and useless, the practice of the handling and on the target range means nothing because you can't "train" firefights - it's just not like in the movies. It's a question of responsibility to choose the right way to deal with militant situations and to act without any romanticism and illusions: And because I'm no pacifist I qoute Buenaventura Durruti some time before his accidental death due to bullet injury during the defence of Madrid: "War makes beasts out of men, the purpose of human life isn't bushwacking and killing - but LIVING!"
Poor fucking kid.