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Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by badman, Jan 29, 2010.

  1. nike

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/au ... alem-rally
     
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    fatah may as well be a branch of the israeli government and now that hamas are talking about merging with them it shows they are just as useless. Both groups are just greedy fucking capitalists waiting to sell out their people if it means they get a bit of power and influence. Most anti israel demonstrations get shut down by the hamas police. Israel is a fucking hijack state that is pure colonial imperialism at its most bullshit and they have regularly collaborated with antisemitic and even nazi groups in the past in the name of profit. Israels entire history is one of steady, un sanctioned, ethnic cleansing while the western imperial states turn a blind eye because they are a handy little attack dog if any of their nearby oil producers step out of line.
     
  3. vAsSiLy77

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    Good post, I think it's very important to watch the hamas and the palestinian administration closely for tendencies against the people - your example of the non-hamas organized anti-israeli protests is really exemplary. They try to monopolize the protest for their own gains and suppress every possible opposition against their own claim of power.
     
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    source ?
     
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    i'm not sure if actual "anti-israel-protests" are the reason for violent attacks by the hamas-dominated gaza police-force on non-hamas protesters, but human rights watchers kept an eye on hamas last/early in this year:

    Amira Hass wrote an article in Haaretz
    a more recent incident was this one:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... revolution
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  7. Bentheanarchist

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    :ecouteurs:
     
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    it's really getting weird with the professionals involved, right now i'm digging for some rumors that the palestine PLFP and the hamas were refusing to introduce the history of the european holocaust on palestine schools earlier this year - because that would strenghten zionist propaganda and the israeli "victim"-role... the suggestion came from the u.n. refugee and works association (UNRWA).
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    so lets continue to jerk of dudd missiles to provoke massive airraids to be answered with another dudd missle barrage to be answered... :'(
     
  9. vAsSiLy77

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    It's not a rumor, rather than almost old news and the most neutral source is this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas%E2%8 ... st_dispute
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    what followed was a still going on chaos of statements, accusations and propaganda lies, the israeli government blamed the UNRWA and other UN-organisations to be infiltrated by the hamas, us-rightwingers and and anti-sharia-groups blamed the UN for funding the hamas, the simon-wiesenthal-center intervened and demanded all funding of gaza freezed and in return holocaust-deniers all over the world found their private little pipedreams confirmed - truly it was more than weird with those official opinonmakers... o_O

    and for the tensions between PFLP and hamas:
    http://www.newsfrommiddleeast.com/?new=76008 - from human rights watch
     
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    Israelis have again taken to the streets in mass protests over the high cost of living.

    At least 250,000 people joined the protests, with the main rallies in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa, although some Israeli media put the turnout as high as 400,000.
    They are the latest in a series of protests held throughout the summer.
    Many Israelis are angry at the high cost of housing, food, education and health care.
    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government has responded by forming a committee to examine calls for reform, although he has warned he cannot meet all the protesters' demands.

    Economic battlefield
    The biggest protest on Saturday, part of what organisers had dubbed a Million Man March, appeared to be in Tel Aviv.
    Student union president Itzik Shmuli told the crowd: "They told us that the movement was slowing down. Tonight we are showing that it's the opposite. We are the new Israelis, determined to continue the fight for a fairer and better society."
    One banner read: "An entire generation wants a future" and another "The land of milk and honey, but not for everybody".
    Jonathan Levy, one of the protest organisers, told the BBC: "All the non-rich people in Israel, no matter if they're secular or religious, old or young, realise that we've abandoned some really important battlefields in this country, that is economy, and we only dealt obsessively with security problems."

    The BBC's Jon Donnison, in Tel Aviv, says the Israeli government - with its eyes on the impact of people-power elsewhere in the Middle East - has been taken aback by the spontaneity and scale of the demonstrations.
    He says many other countries look enviously at Israel's growing economy but people here feel the wealth has not been shared.
    Many of the protesters are from a middle class that has had to bear a hefty tax burden and conscription into the services.
    The movement began in mid-July - when some Israelis angry at housing costs pitched tents in a Tel Aviv neighbourhood - and has burgeoned.
    Mr Netanyahu has appointed a panel of experts to meet protest leaders and assess their demands.
    But some demonstrators say this is an attempt to stall.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14777260
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery ... s-pictures
     
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    israeli-haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/) has much to say about the protests, israeli stock values fell 4% after the weekends mass protest.
    Merav Michaeli wrote an article: "Women mustn't sink to bottom of Israel's social protest",
    Amira Hass wrote about the two sides of justice jews and palestinians see in the westbank
    (some illegal settler-houses were destroyed by the government, so some settlers set fire to as mosque in the westbank.

    but there is the israeli foreign ministry too and admittting:
    "Turkey citizens routinely humiliated at Israel's airport", the diplomatic protests might become the tsunami of israeli diplomacy starting with turkey - and now israeli passengers are quoted in length on arrival on turkish airports.
    the egypt army is closing down gaza smuggler tunnels, last month an alleged 2000 illegal infiltrators crossed the border between egypt and israel
    lebanon warns UN: Israel's proposed maritime border threatens peace and security

    and finally a bunch of KROKODILES made it's escape into the sleepy jordan valley!
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... tehood-bid

    there are also articles about the origins of the israeli social unrest by dafni leef and "breaking the us-egypt-israeli-triangle" from freed/arabist.net
     
  13. Bentheanarchist

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    I believe Israelis and palestinians should live together, and forget about States and Nationalism.
     
  14. Bakica

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    I don't know if you heard but they let 1 izraeli solider for 1027 palestinian prisoners.
     
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    Published 05:57 18.10.11

    IDF: Gilad Shalit back home in Israel after five years in Hamas captivity
    Soldier enters Israel via Kerem Shalom crossing on Gaza border as part of extensive prisoner swap; military medical staff say he is in good health.
    By Anshel Pfeffer, Yaniv Kubovich and Haaretz

    Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit, has officially passed into Israeli custody on Tuesday, after he had spent 1,940 days in Hamas captivity.
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    Following his release, Shalit spoke to his family on the phone, for the first time since being taken captive by Hamas, over five years ago.
    According to IDF Spokesman Yoav Mordechai, a physical examination of the IDF soldier has found that Shalit was in good health, and would leave soon to reunite with his family members.
    A military helicopter carrying Shalit is due to arrive at IAF Tel Nof base, where he is to meet Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and reunite with his family.
    Shalit's return to Israel came after the IDF has officially passed into Israeli custody less than an hour earlier, and after Egyptian TV released the first images of the Israeli soldier since his release.
    In an interview to the Egyptian Nile TV station Shalit said he was informed of a deal to secure his release a week ago, adding that he missed his family and friends.

    An Israel Defense Forces official confirmed that Shalit was identified at the Rafah border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt and was "alive and well."
    Earlier Hamas said Israel completed the transfer of Palestinian prisoners due to be deported overseas and the Gaza Strip into Egypt, in a clear sign that a deal geared at securing Shalit's release was on track.
    The Hamas report came following a brief stall in the prisoner exchange deal after IDF officials said two female Palestinian prisoners refused to be deported into the Gaza Strip.
    One of the prisoners resisting deportation is reportedly Amna Muna, who was jailed for life in 2003 for luring 16-year-old Israeli Ofir Rahum from Ashkelon to Ramallah, where he was shot dead by Fatah terrorists.
    According to the IDF official, Muna and a second prisoner were afraid of reprisal attacks by Gaza families, following Muna's apparent domination of prisoners in her Israeli jail.
    Reports in Egyptian media claimed that Egypt agreed to receive Muna, thus averting her planned deportation to Gaza.
    Earlier Tuesday, it was confirmed that Shalit was passed into Egyptian custody at around 8 A.M. Tuesday morning, bringing an end to his more than five years in Hamas captivity in the Gaza Strip An Al-Arabiya report claimed Shalit had arrived at the Kerem Shalom by mid-morning.
    Israel is freeing a total of 1,027 Palestinian and Israeli Arab prisoners in return for the soldier.
    Chief of Hamas operations in the West Bank Ahmed Yousef confirmed that Shalit had indeed been passed over to Egyptian hands. Arab media reports claimed Shalit was passed over to Egypt wearing an IDF uniform, and that he was handed over by the chief of Hamas' military wing Ahmed Jabari.
    Meanwhile, buses carrying Palestinian prisoners began their journey across Israel's border with Egypt and into the West Bank on Tuesday morning, a de facto confirmation that the IDF soldier has passed out of Hamas control.
    Gilad Shalit's family left their home at Mitzpe Hila in northern Israel on Tuesday morning, arriving at the Israel Air Force base at Tel Nof in the center of the country, where they will see him for the first time since his capture. IDF chief Benny Gantz also made his way to the IAF base.

    An Israel Defense Forces official confirmed that Shalit was identified at the Rafah border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt and was "alive and well."
    Earlier Hamas said Israel completed the transfer of Palestinian prisoners due to be deported overseas and the Gaza Strip into Egypt, in a clear sign that a deal geared at securing Shalit's release was on track.
    The Hamas report came following a brief stall in the prisoner exchange deal after IDF officials said two female Palestinian prisoners refused to be deported into the Gaza Strip.
    One of the prisoners resisting deportation is reportedly Amna Muna, who was jailed for life in 2003 for luring 16-year-old Israeli Ofir Rahum from Ashkelon to Ramallah, where he was shot dead by Fatah terrorists.
    According to the IDF official, Muna and a second prisoner were afraid of reprisal attacks by Gaza families, following Muna's apparent domination of prisoners in her Israeli jail.
    Reports in Egyptian media claimed that Egypt agreed to receive Muna, thus averting her planned deportation to Gaza.
    Earlier Tuesday, it was confirmed that Shalit was passed into Egyptian custody at around 8 A.M. Tuesday morning, bringing an end to his more than five years in Hamas captivity in the Gaza Strip An Al-Arabiya report claimed Shalit had arrived at the Kerem Shalom by mid-morning.
    Israel is freeing a total of 1,027 Palestinian and Israeli Arab prisoners in return for the soldier.
    Chief of Hamas operations in the West Bank Ahmed Yousef confirmed that Shalit had indeed been passed over to Egyptian hands. Arab media reports claimed Shalit was passed over to Egypt wearing an IDF uniform, and that he was handed over by the chief of Hamas' military wing Ahmed Jabari.
    Meanwhile, buses carrying Palestinian prisoners began their journey across Israel's border with Egypt and into the West Bank on Tuesday morning, a de facto confirmation that the IDF soldier has passed out of Hamas control.
    Gilad Shalit's family left their home at Mitzpe Hila in northern Israel on Tuesday morning, arriving at the Israel Air Force base at Tel Nof in the center of the country, where they will see him for the first time since his capture. IDF chief Benny Gantz also made his way to the IAF base.

    The transfer of the soldier comes after the completion of the first stage of the prisoner exchange, as all 477 prisoners to go free in this round were transfered to locations on the Gaza border, in the West Bank and, in the case of the Israeli Arab prisoners included in the deal, East Jerusalem. Some of the Palestinian prisoners are to be sent to the Gaza Strip, some to the West Bank and some are to be deported.
    Israel Radio reported that Amna Muna, the female terrorist who was supposed to be deported as part of the Shalit deal, will instead be transferred to the Gaza Strip instead. Muna was jailed for life in 2003 for luring Israeli teen Ofir Rahum from Ashkelon to Ramallah, where he was shot dead by Fatah terrorists. An IDF official said the deal temporarily stalled in mid-morning after Muna and another female prisoner refused to be deported to Gaza.
    As dawn broke, the first convoy of prisoners from Ketziot prison arrived at Ofer jail, near the West Bank city of Ramallah, and a short time later another convoy of prisoners, also from Ketziot, arrived at the Kerem Shalom crossing, where they were to be delivered to Gaza via Egypt. The prisoners were to be taken off the buses and identified; at Kerem Shalom they were transfered to Egyptian authorities to be taken to Gaza and at Ofer they were handed over to Red Cross officials.
    Late Monday, the last legal obstacle to the release of Shalit was effectively removed after the High Court of Justice rejected petitions against the execution of the prisoner swap deal. The petitions were filed by families of terror victims who were killed in attacks planned, ordered and/or perpetrated by some of those freed in the deal.

    Mitzpe Hila closes to visitors
    Members of the Shalit family, parents Noam and Aviva, brother Yoel and sister Hadas, left this morning shortly after 6 A.M. for the Tel Nof Air Base. Gilad's grandfather, Tzvi, and grandmother, Yael (Noam's parents) were also to join them.
    Noam arrived back to Mitzpe Hila Monday evening after a long day at the High Court. He chose not to talk to the media and rushed directly into his house.
    The Yishuv attracted travelers and curious onlookers throughout the day, wanting to be photographed by the Shalit family home. On Monday evening, shortly after the news broadcasts ended, media personnel distanced themselves from the home, and the army police and Israel Police Force hermetically sealed the site.
    There is currently no access to the path leading to the Shalit family's home. The entire Yishuv will be closed to visitors and the front gate has been closed since Tuesday morning. Only the media will be permitted access to a pre-prepared stage.
    A special brochure will be handed out Tuesday morning to the large audience expected to visit Mitzpe Hila, which has turned into a pilgrimage site. Among other things written in the brochure, is "We now need to exhibit patience, and allow Gilad - after 1,941 days – to return to daily life at his own rate." Children of the yishuv went from house to house, handing out t-shirts with the words, "Gilad, we're waiting for you at home." Residents of the yishuv are preparing to wear the t-shirts and stand in a human chain upon his return.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... y-1.390585

    some more background:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit
     
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    edits - some more interesting comments from the third party view:
    1) Prisoner swap math: past, present, and future
    2) The Israeli political fallout -- Bibi (finally) makes a decision on something
    3) Hamas leaves Abbas carrying the U.N. application consolation prize
    4) Egypt -- SCAF delivers where Mubarak would not
    5) The peace process? Forget it -- Israel chooses Hamas (again)
    6) Gladdening and maddening Israel
    7) An Arab Spring or an Iran footnote
    8) A new dawn for Gaza?
    9) Two fingers to the Palestinian Gandhi
    10) Wither Marwan Barghouti;
    Marwan Barghouti, a popular figure in Fatah and considered a possible future Palestinian leader and held in an Israeli jail for five life sentences for acts during the 2nd intifada, was initially rumored to be part of the Shalit exchange. Whatever the intent of those rumors, they proved incorrect. If Israel were looking for an interlocutor who might unify the Palestinians behind a difficult but workable two-state deal, then Barghouti is considered by many to be that leader. If there was an opportunity to release Barghouti, this was it. Perhaps he is politically stronger in jail, but one thing has now been clarified: that is where he is staying.
    http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/ ... hange_deal
     
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    Marwan Barghouti's bad luck is really interesting - the IDF negotiated only with the hamas...
    any statements from gaza or the west bank by now?
     
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    nothing to be considered meaningful and non-arabic, i'll keep searching.
    well, giving into terrorist violence isn't that bad if yours get a martyr back including a fine distraction of the public from whats going on in the realities - everyone's cheering, the doves and the hawks too... let's hope Gilad Shalit gets out of being a pawn in the game this time.
     
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    Israel and Zionists label anyone who criticizes them or disagrees with them as anti-semitic; they abuse the term anti-semite.
     
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    many in israel abuse the holocaust to justify the unhealthy way israel was brought into being, some say just because the british empire couldn't afford to keep up the military mandate over palestina after ww2. despite the balfour-declaration the brits fought the jewish emigration and were sending many fugitives from europe back, during the time between 1933 and 1939 it was practically impossible for average people to emigrate from nazi-germany to palestine and escape the holocaust this way, only those who could afford expensive fees were allowed to get to palestine. the official version of the story is, that the authorities tried to keep the zionist movement from claiming erez isroel in the borders of the old realms of david and salomon, because this would have taken the arabs and palestinians out of their rights.
    but the zionists succeeded long before that with the claim to settle the immigrating jews in closed communities seeking to rebuild the biblical realms - i think this was the very beginning of the trouble, they should have mixed with the non-jewish to live and work side by side with them, sharing their knowledge and the support they were getting from europe and elsewhere, one people with different religions...
    the arabs did their share to the troubles too, between 1920 and 1948 many pogromes happened and "palestine" jews had to suffer a lot - the consequences of this only enforced the diversion of jewish and arab semites - the last mistake came 1948 with the UN-resolution and the founding of the state of the "chosen people".
     
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