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Gay pride rallys ?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by ungovernable, May 23, 2010.

  1. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    Just wondering what everyone think about gay pride rallys

    First, i am definatly anti-homopobic... but it looks like a lot of peoples are scared of critizing gay pride rallys because they are scared of being considered as homophobics


    I always had the impression that this kind of protest only makes more prejudices against homosexuals... It is focusing on their differences instead of fighting for normality and equalité... They march in the streets just like they were animals in cage or a special kind of humans, then we show them the "worst of the worst" almost to help the peoples to make more generalization (not that i have anything against gays who are proud of showing they are, but it seems that most of the peoples force themselves to wear weird stuff and look even more different just for this march, to show peoples "look how different i am")

    Will we do demonstrations with overweighted and hairy women to fight against sexism ? (okay we have an international women's day, but no antisexist rally...)
    Will we do a march of black peoples and show them in the streets like animals in cage and special kind of humans ? because they are victim of racism ? No, black and white are equals and it's the end of the story.

    Fighting for normality while focusing on the differences... i think it is contradictory

    Anyway, what do you think ?
     

  2. antitude420

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    Well, if you ever participated in any kind of rally, what people want to show is that they may dress different, believe in different things, have a different sexual orientation etc. but, they're not trying to send the message that they want to be TREATED differently, they're trying to show people that despite all those small differences, they deserve to be treated equally.

    I don't believe those things are the ones who should keep us separeted, they have the right to dress the way they want and make their homosexuality obvious and still be treated equally because we're all "brothers" independently of skin colour, race, country, sexual orientation, clothes etc.

    So, if they want to rub around each other while listening to George Michael (sorry for the stereotyping, I mean no offense), let them be! They're just proud of who they are and they're saying to people "look, we are like this, we like to do that and we shouldn't be treated any different because of that. the things that unite us are much more than the ones who divide us!"

    At least, that's what I think about it...
     
  3. Mandi

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    I agree that the parades are certainly a slightly excessive exemplification of atipical gay behavior, promoting negative steriotypes, however I am not very opposed to the actual pride "rallys", which seem to celebrate the similarities among the gay culture as well as the diversity within the community. Also they are a wonderful education/networking opportunity for many dedicated organizations. As much as I oppose labels and separation of human kind any further, I can not fault a group for comming together and celebrating their identies and their diversity. i dont think celebrating our differences is bad because we we are all different, but if the goal was to exclude others, I would dissapprove, but its not. Everyone is welcome and not all attendies are homosexual. I thing we should find a way to unite through our differences, not use them to separate ourselves. Thoughts?
     
  4. deadsmart

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    Intersting topic;
    You could be right about it hurting their cause, I have heard ignorant assholes say dumb and homophobic things about gay pride rallys.

    If it's a "pride" rally, isn't it specifically for gays and pro-homosexual people to just go out and march and show their pride for being gay? Maybe not to show how different they are but just to go have a good time and demonstrate? They can be themselves?

    I would say it's contradictory if they're marching to say "we're no different" but wearing extravagant outfits BUT if they're just out to have fun and show their pride I don't think its contradictory.
    I'm anti-homophobia as well (and do agree that homosexuals are no different from any other human) but I haven't participated in any of these, so I can't really say for sure, but I imagine every individual person there would have their own individual reason for going. One person might march because they're happy they are able to, and another person might march just to piss off anti-gay groups or something.
     
  5. ungovernable

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    blacks persons want to be treated equally too, and they don't make rallys to focus on their differences...

    i'm not opposing it, just critizing it

    Yeah but the name is "gay pride rally" not something like "rally against homophobi". To me it definatly sounds like a protest by gays and for gays...


    exactly what i wanted to say !
     
  6. antitude420

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    They aren't focusing on their differences, they're just showing the world who they are and how they act. At least some of them. There are the extravagant ones and the, well, "not-extravagant" ones (I don't like the word 'normal'), both the extravagants and the non-extravagants are homosexuals, so when the topic is "homosexuality" they should all be treated equal, not just the non-extravagant ones.

    So what I was trying to say is that they're not focusing on their differences nor on their similarities. They're neutral, they're just showing who they are.

    When I go to rallys concerning marijuana legalization and such, do you expect me not to smoke pot there just because that makes me different from the people who are against legalization and against the smoking of marijuana?
     
  7. jahjah

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    Someone will always be outside normality as long normality is perceived as something real,so i don't think it's something anyone should strive for.to get to "normality" you have to get through tolerance and acceptance,which takes a long time...personally i think indifference should be a much more desired outcome (in the sense that it's not anyone's business what your sexual orientation is and how you choose to express it)

    identity politics is almost always exclusionary in discourse.personally i felt more than welcomed when i went to gay pride rallies even though i'm straight.but you're right,they should be called at least lgbt pride rally(some of 'em are) or something...
     
  8. Rhube

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    I do actually take issue to Pride parades.
    I think, in some places, they're very neccessary. I was shown a trailer for a documentary that showed the backlash at many pride parades across the world. Ones in which people were being beaten within an inch of their life, and onlookers were shouting slurs, and expressing to the cameras that gays should die, and it's unnatural, and something they shouldn't be proud of. And in some places, people were prevented from organizing because the police and government didn't like it.
    However, once it gets to a point where the parades aren't so much political statements, when they're more like crazy parties, that's when arguments should be brought up that if we want equality, why are we parading? Why are we separating ourselves from the straight community?
    It's not that we can't be ourselves, and be outrageous, and be different. It's just that, when minorities demand to be treated SPECIAL, that does nothing for out fight for equality.
    If there were a straight pride parade, everyone would be offended. The very thought conjures thoughts of white power rally-esque events. It just would be entirely offensive and exclusional.
    So why can we have gay pride parades? Sure, it's different, it's not like we're expressing our dislike for heteros. But on paper, the two ideas are really the same. They're not about uniting eveyone, and equality. Not when we have full legal rights.
    There has to be a better way to make people accept us.
    And there's nothing stopping us from having big ol' queer parties. The parade afterparty is always the best part anyway.
     
  9. QueerPunk

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    I see it this way...

    I march because there is still an issue of Queerphobia within the broader community and that includes global. So I still see it as a protest in a way.

    I march with a placard or two usually and a pink and black flag to push the an anarchist message across to those watching that we are not all the same as everybody else and that normalcy is bullshit...

    I openly contest the bullshit that is the Gay&Lesbian Liason Officer department of the Police force who march and they are usually second in line to march...which pisses me off. When the WTO protests happened in 2000 in Melbourne the Pink Bloc got the shit kicked out of them and beaten with batons by the riot squad but in 2001 the Police had the FUCKIN NERVE to march at Pride...apparently there were Pink Bloc members there to harshly and loudly remind the police group marching about their brutality shown towards the Pink Bloc at that demo. Then of course there was the lovely history of the cops raiding the bars and arresting and bashing men at "beats".

    I may be a homosexual but I am not homogenised I don't want to be seen like everybody else. I am fucking QUEER!
     
  10. Kobac

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    Yesterday in Bratislava(Slovakia,EX-Cehoslovakia)there was a gay pride rally.they were attacked by only 2 neonazi(there was 100 of nazis protesting against the rally) with rocks.The rally was stoped,police didn t arrest anyone as far as i know.

    About the rally...i look it this way.we punks dress differently,we show our anger towards the state,ignorant people,bigotry,corporations,etc.I try to tell them that world is not a paradise on earth.
    Gays try to say i m human,your human,there s no diff between us,so treat me like human being.,they want to be heard by people and let them know what they feel.
    i support their rallys because i m from country(everyone is bloody Christian)that is not for gays rights,something like Missiouri in USA,sad but true
     
  11. testpattern

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    Pride is as much a celebration of identity (and a chance to get wasted and laid) as it is a political action. I get a little annoyed by the commercialism, and the debauchery can be kind of dull (and I hate mainstream gay house music), but hey, have fun kids. The idea that Pride should be some sort of somber march for equality, well it does memorialize the Stonewall Riots, right? Which were all about a bunch of queers getting pissed off at police harassment at a bar. So (not to trivialize) it is an event that has its roots an a literal "fight for the right to party."
     
  12. Ferago

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    I don't understand gay pride parades at all.

    Mostly what I see is gay people acting in a stereotypical and over the top sexual manner, which they normally try to distance themselves from the other 364 days of the year.
     
  13. dinscurge

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    i feel like they are trying get the point across that it doesnt help to act like your the stereo type when your trying to show pride..
    like if a ton of the people at a pot rally were acting like the stereo types like say "pot is a gateway drug" so if every one started with pot than started doing crack and meth and breakin into stores and stuff to fuel their "drug" habbit would not help the cause at all.
    i mean when they were marching for black pride/equal rights, they werent trying to act ignorant and stupid like the stereo type was at the time to all the rascists. no they tried to come across as professional, intelligent, and organized.
    if they were having gay orgies at rallys no body would want to help if they are gonna act stupid in public, if they were just marching with signs/chants and stuff people would be like "oh, there just regular people"
    i always thought the point was to come across as regular poeple,
     
  14. easy e

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    "regular people?"
    i would love a clarification.
     
  15. dinscurge

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    the people that have "rights" maybe have a job/pay taxes get married w.e. as if the wanted support form the massess to have equal rights, it would help to appear as if part of the massess
     
  16. butcher

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    Like it or not Queer ppl are 'part of the masses', and as such should be able to appear as they are (not suggesting there is a singular queer 'identity', but hope you know what I mean) without having to misrepresent themselves in order to be 'acceptable' to a 'mainstream' (read: hetronormative) society. What the fuck good does it do for ppl to act up to hetronormative gender roles in order to further public acceptance of queer ppl or fight homophobia?
     
  17. dinscurge

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    i never said anything about being hetronormative, being femanine doesnt mean you act like a retarded stereotype, guys hit on women, some women hit on guys, some guys hit on women, not all gay guys have to wear hot pink, and baby blue, sing instead of talk nd w.e. i mean i could see how it would be easy to act out in a rally, but that doesnt mean you have to.
     
  18. butcher

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    Two problems:
    1. Not all queer men at pride rallies 'wear hot pink, and baby blue, sing instead of talk and whatever.' I think you may be making generalisations about ppl who attend pride marches, no?
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    i have seen many straight men act like retarded gender stereotypes, just go out to yr local pub on a weekend maybe? Why are queer men singled out for ridicule in this manner? So, basically you imply that if queer men go out to shit clubs playing lame house music, drink too much, take some drugs, are constantly on the look-out for sex and act up to queer stereotypes they are alienating 'the masses', but when straight men do the same and act as 'one of the boys' they are just being themselves and having fun or some shit.
    You seem to miss the point that gender and sexuality are both largely a social construction and performative. Both the text-book limp-wristed queen and the footy loving beer swilling male are performing roles set by how an individual interacts with socio-cultural norms of expected behaviour. The question is not 'why do (some) queer men feel the need to act over-the-top at pride marches, but instead there are two important questions:
    1.) Who sets the rules for what is and isn't 'accepted' behaviour due to a person's gender or sexual orientation?
    2.) and for what purpose?
     
  19. dinscurge

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    1. this isnt in a pub on the weeked its in the middle of the street in the middle of the day, last time i checked most "straight" guys werent acting like that in the middle of the street. theres no need to act like a stereo type when it being a stereo type your probably not like that. so why the need for many more to act like that an actually are like that?
     
  20. Anxiety69

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    my feeling is gays don;t deserve any special rights, yet they should have the exact same rights as everyone else, including right to be married, so if gays are going to get rallys and parades and such, where do u draw the line in allowing others this same treatment?
     
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