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Extreme Porn crack down propossed by david camrun

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by IamMe, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. IamMe

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    this is from a british news paper "Possessing pornography that depicts simulated rape is to become a criminal offence in England and Wales, David Cameron will announce today, as he pledges to make Britain a place where there is a “sense of right and wrong” it also siad "He will pledge further efforts to crack down on child abuse images online, including forcing internet companies to block results for a “blacklist” of search terms." HAHAHAHAHA i bet there was someone in his party who thought fuck :lmao:. i personally think this is the best thing that twat has done for this shitty country. but they wont beable to stop all extreme porn which is hurting women and children. does any one have any thoughts on this subject and see bad points and good points.
     

  2. UnityFreedomAnarchy

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    Whilst I agree the pornography is vile an demeaning to those involved, making the sex objects not people, I oppose this attempt to control peoples minds and web access. Censorship is counter productive, that which is denied becomes that which is most desired.
    Cameron is an idiot BTW.
     
  3. Bakica

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    This is bullshit. I'm watching pornography and I don't see people in the movies as sex objects. Of course there is some sex-exploitation but same goes for every fucking JOB in this society. What do you think of people who work in porn industry ? Vile and immoral ? :ecouteurs:
     
  4. Grizzly The Unamed Sharp

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    What I have a problem with is how sacred sex has become, like people have put sex on a pedestal like a god and you have to do some things a certain way when it comes to sex, but if you break those tenants you are labeled things such as "slut" or "whore". I have a friend who participates in those live-sex websites and she knows full-well what she is getting into, she wanted to do this. Is there exploitation? Sure if you look at it that way, but as Bakica said every job has some sort of exploitation. I am very liberal when it comes to pornography because I feel it's a means of release for people. I also feel sexual promiscuity should not be condemned in the matter it has been for the past era because we have built up the idea that sex is to be this hidden ritual that should have this strict moral guide-line. I mean everytime I hear someone refer to a women as a "whore" I get extremely angry because I feel a person should not be made to feel guilty constantly for the choices they made. The word "whore" to me is as bad as calling a gay person "faggot", those words are insulting and demeaning. Back to the topic, I'd rather have a potential rapist get off on simulated rape then he go out and act out his rape fantasies in reality. Child-porn on the other hand I think should be illegal simply because I don't think a child can have a true understanding of what sex is. Now there is a problem with women becoming objects to advertise, but that problem has become so because we as a society have put sex in such a higher standing that when it's put in front of us (such as your average beer commercial) we get so riled up. We can eliminate the objectification and exploitation of women and men if people stop making sex so damn sacred. If we can educate ourselves about sex to the point where we can be promiscuous if we choose and be SAFE, I don't see why should we condemn those people who enjoy sex or using it as a means of release. Now I am not trying to say I want people to start fucking in the streets, but I am tired of seeing some of my friends scorned because they choose to be sexually active and being told they are exploiting themselves because of their lifestyle choices. I am sure I made a couple enemies here but this is really a important topic when it comes to experiences in my life.
     
  5. Bakica

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    :thumbsup:
     
  6. IamMe

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    i agree david cameron is a prick :ecouteurs: . what your saying grizzly is spot on my friend, sex has become sacred but at the same you see it every where on T.V. i understand that some people enjoy the thrill of extreme pornography but there are some people mainly women who are being exploited and used as sex objects without thier desire but i dont think this new law will do any thing about it and no one will beable to do any thing about it. thanks for the reply and usefull information. Bakica i dont think the majoritory of people in the porn industry as vile or immoral but there are definatly some sick twisted fuckers out there who sees vunrable people (mainly girls) as a way of making money.
     
  7. nclpw

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    Sooo the fact that we get exploited in every day life means its okay? Not really though. If you could stop them from exploiting you at your job, wouldn't you do it?
    No one is going to ban porn, but sex of course has a different role in a society that is built on religious beliefs. Besides, being judged as a slut and all that heavily depends on where you live.

    If you like vile rape porn, then fine, watch it, I'm not saying that the ones involved are actually being raped, but judging from most interviews with porn stars they don't enjoy it. It is a JOB to them, and people that have JOBS get exploited, right? Again, not out to ban porn and I don't think the ones that work in the business are bad people, but its a business, I thought we were supposed to be against businesses.
     
  8. Bakica

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    yes, but we fight capitalism not the jobs people do. What I was trying to say is that pornography, as a job, is just as 'bad' as other jobs are. You get exploited, underpaid, work for someone else and so on, so there is no reason to say that pornography is 'vile', capitalism is 'vile' and is the reason people get exploited. There is absolutely nothing wrong with working as a porno-actor/ess. UnityFreedomAnarchy, would you have the same opinion in some anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-fascist society ? I don't think so. So the problem is society, not the job.

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    Check this : http://libcom.org/library/interview-wit ... dominatrix
    I understand that you don't think porn is 'bad' but this is still a good interview ( maybe a bit off-topic ).
     
  9. UnityFreedomAnarchy

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    Fair does, but not all people are like you and to many porn encourages the afore mentioned mindset.
     
  10. Bakica

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    Of course, i thought you were generalizing, sorry :beer:
     
  11. nclpw

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    Those dominas rarely actually have sex with their clients though. Yeah, off-topic but I also don't see how it goes against my views. Anyway, interesting read! Even though it is a false sense of control, as mentioned in the interview. The moment bodies are being sold and bought you are being sold or bought for looking or acting a certain way, and I really don't understand why someone LIKES being someone's fetish, be it liking amputees or bald girls. It's a very superficial business, just like the rest of the world. Liking something you think goes against the norm doesn't give you any cred. You're just acting the same way everyone else does, only you like something the mainstream doesn't like.
     
  12. Rebellious twit

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    UAF, i want to know where you statitics comes from, i must say i support watching porn, i don't think there is is a minor procent of sane people watching porn, just like in any other form of entertainment there are psychos, patrioitc nutjobs who plays videogames, lonely fanatics watching tv series, people getting crazy of reading books, sexist behaveiour is made by capitalism you can't blame it on porn as entertainement i think.
     
  13. Grizzly The Unamed Sharp

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    Exactly, the reason women have been turned into a market prospect is because the societal indoctrination of advertising have made it so we want to see more of it. Back in the 40s and earlier, it was frowned upon by conservative populations that women present themselves in any fashion accept conservative, reserved, and devotion to their man. But of course with the 50s and 60s and the sexual revolution advertisers saw a new form of marketing. Because it was so new and yet so taboo for the public to see a women barley clothed people ate it up as the advertisers wanted. That's where the objectification truly started in terms of advertising. It's shameful yes, but where is the medium? We can't blame the porn industry for the exploitation of women because we see it as exploitation! I will gladly have my friend I mentioned earlier get on here to explain her experiences on the website she works for. From my discussions with her she has said that she has never felt used or exploited and actually feels a sense of liberation because she grew up in a religious household where the content she was exposed to was heavily censored to save her from "being flirtatious with the devil."
     
  14. Rebellious twit

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    that would be nice, to hear somebody who knows about the enviroment and has had experience with it :thumbsup: .
     
  15. nclpw

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    Uh, the porn industry is definitely not driven by feminists or radicals, they don`t give a shit about sexual liberation. That`s like saying it`s okay for everyone to fuck us over because we let them?
    Why the fuck are you guys so scared of someone taking your porn away anyway? Why support the porn industry today when it obviously sucks? No one is trying to completely abolish porn, but supporting the industry as it is today is really really lame.
     
  16. UnityFreedomAnarchy

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    Of course, i thought you were generalizing, sorry :beer:[/quote]

    No problem.
     
  17. Bakica

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    I don't know why you think we're supporting porn industry. As far as I see, we're supporting the JOBS and the WORKERS who work in porn industry.
     
  18. nclpw

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    If you watch their videos you support the industry, easy peasy.
     
  19. Yladi Zeedt

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    It is a completely capitalist concept like the words porn industry and especially porn business imply.
    Everything gets exploited in an economic system like we have in the Western world and many other regions on the globe right now. If you want an acceptable form of pornography you have to change the whole system first.
    Right now there is not a single mainstream porn company that produces non-capitalist porn.
    Even if they call themselves "alternative".
    A friend of mine worked for Suicide Girls and many girls just earn pocket money for a shooting. If they even earn anything.
    Suicide Girls motivates lots of their fans to post nudes for free on their homepage. The girls don't get a single cent for it but SG earns shitloads with the material. Well, that is a very sneaky form of exploitation, isn't it?! And it's not even a hardcore brand.
    The hardcore porn business is even more exploitative. Just do some research and you will find out that 99% of all porn companies come from capitalist countries. Even if it's not about the money, many sex film performer get tricked into the business for the fame. And I wonder how many still would work in this field if it wouldn't be for the money or the fame.
    I grew up in East Germany, the German Democratic Republic.
    There was no such thing as a porn industry because it wasn't a capitalist society.
    Just a few magazines printed nudes. But more for artistic reasons. And it didn't mean that the people were prude or frigid. Absolutely not!
    East Germany was know for it's free body culture (Freikörperkultur - FKK), naturism and nudism.
    I am pretty sure that most people (no matter which system they are from) would agree that sex is a wonderful thing.
    Do you want to film it and take pictures when your sex partner is interested in it too? Enjoy yourself!
    But it easily turns into exploitation when it becomes a business or when people upload their nudes to get attention or fame.
    They lose the possibility to delete the material in the moment another person downloads or shares it.
    You want sexual liberation? Why don't you start in your own bed, on the floor or wherever you want to?
    Do you really think that any politician cares about porn? They can afford enough prostitutes to keep themselves busy and can't get bothered to ban porn. Because it keeps their little slaves entertained and from revolting.
    The good old bread and circuses. It still works today and it seems like porn is a good tool to distract even anarchists.
    David Cumrun (see what I did there?) probably just gave his statement to get the support from a certain group.
    Slaves, stop celebrating other slaves! Lets rise and change the whole system! Reforms never lead to a revolution.
    We need to abolish capitalism to find true liberation.
     
  20. Bakica

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    Sorry, but this is complete bullshit. 2 things, if no one watched videos people would lose their jobs ( so it's not only about industry and capitalists, it's about common people doing their jobs & trying to earn for living ). 2nd thing is, if you know how i can avoid being part of capitalism COMPLETELY please PM me I'd really love to know how. And as far as I don't 'donate' / 'register' / 'pay-to-see' I'm not supporting their industry that much ( the only way they can get money is via internet adds, but that's like 0.5$ per site ).

    Please, i don't see why are we talking about this. We obviously both support porn and have no problem with it, and I don't want this to become flame wars. And I think i'm having big trouble explaining what I'm trying to say.


    @Yladi Zeedt, I absolutely agree with you.

    Of course, but everyone is a slave in this society if you think about it. And you can't judge someone for watching born because he/she enjoys it.


    I'd just like to share my point of view on porn. I like the IDEA of porn, i don't like the business. I support people who decide to go in porn-industry and have no prejudice towards them. However, I'm aware of the exploitation on work, and same goes for every job in this society. But this is not the reason not to support porn, as a job or hobby. I don't expect everyone to quit their jobs which would result in end of capitalism ( although it would work ), I believe in armed-revolution,sabotage and direct action. Boycotting porn won't help stop exploitation in capitalist society ( porn-actors/ress will lose their jobs and will be forced to find and serve for another capitalist, so no point i'd say ? )
     
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