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Colin Jerwood vs Steve Ignorant part 1

Discussion in 'Music, punk scene & subcultures' started by KAAOS-82, Oct 18, 2010.

  1. KAAOS-82

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    Apparently the two head honchos of Anarcho Punk are embroiled in a legal battle regarding Conflicts usage of Crass songs...
    Fucking Hilarious... What a bunch of losers, all the anarcho punk pin-up boys seem to be failing you lot: I'm still trying to find what Steve Ignorant posted but I'm having trouble, if anyone can find it please post it!

    Colin Jerwood:

    Hello Steve,
    I don’t know weather to laugh or cry, I can’t take in the article in your book that someone has sent me today. You, of all people actually believe that I did this? I can only think that someone has got to you or the darker forc...es that use mind control to separate and weaken us are at work. I have never gone into any detail about this as not for one second did I think you would believe it and couldn’t give a toss what the rest of them or southern think. Now although I don’t want to I have to explain what happened so here it is. The first I heard of this crap is when Cherry reds matt emailed me to say Southern had been in touch saying they own the CRASS songs that Conflict covered on the mortarhate releases and that I don’t and therefore want accounting too for the releases, my response was of course I don’t own the CRASS songs they do and yes southern probably do (knowing southern own the Crass label) and so yes account to them. I presumed at the time that this was just like the way Southern/Crass had taught me how to account where all the income is paid as a mechanical royalties (I adopted this throughout my entire time at jungle and never known different). Crass songs released on Mortarhate, southern want some royalty’s makes sense, end of in my eyes and all fair. Then a while latter I get sent snippets from the Sothern Forum that show Alison accusing me of stealing crass songs and tens of thousands of pounds income from you and so forth(I think the figure that was collected by mistake was more like £250 and was repaid in full immediately). In honesty I don’t go on Sothern’s forum as it disinterests me and I would probably upset the apple cart as I would have to comment at the hypocrisy that exists within that place. I ignored it Alison hates Conflict and Southern never have been keen and of course this hit an all time high when I put myself and conflict up in releasing the statement of support for YOU when Alison and co were hammering you for doing the bush empire gathering. As far as I was concerned (the way it was left last time I saw you) was southern were bastards for poking their nose in and SO was Penny and some of the others for trying to stop you. So it came as no surprise when the next thing I hear is that penny is now spouting off that I have stole your songs. I thought it was a complete load of shite but of course I did not know you had made amends and was in fact working with southern again, so I ignored it all. In the end I thought I better put this right and made a statement on MySpace and face book which stated in was crap, that I had not received a cent and that you would know this was not true I stated I would follow this up with facts and figures to prove my claim and show southern had conned people into believing this. As you probably know the next thing I get is (for want of a better word) a legal gagging order from a top London solicitor telling me to remove the quotes and apologies and stating they would make a claim for damages to southern reputation .How fucking funny is that Crass and southern using the law they hate to silence me defending myself. This letter was sent to my mothers home Steve and caused her great distress at a time I was trying to cure her from breast cancer after having two major operations and endless chemotherapy, that’s why I was not online for a long time and missed all the early warning signs of this sad story I was busy watching my mum get cut and fried. Ok, the facts Steve I NEVER told ANYONE I owned your songs I only signed a list of tracks(which cherry red took from cd covers on mortarhate) that cherry red presented to me stating I owned the rights to release them, this list of course included the conflict covers with you signing that had been out for many years already so I didn’t think for a second you would mind.(I never complain when southern put conflict on comps, or have ever asked for royalties) If I did wrong im sorry but I have NEVER even done a contract before and cherry red were trying to make it easy and less confusing for me(again I adopted what you taught me don’t sign contracts) Cherry red are innocent in this Steve and so am I no one was out to take from you, all I have ever done for you is give and show you support no matter what you do.
    Did it NEVER occur to you or penny or southern as to why I only STOLE the Crass songs that are on Mortarhate? Why did I not take the lot as I apparently knew you would not publish them? Does it not state clearly on all recordings and sales notes songs originally recorded by crass covered by conflict with Steve ignorant? And do you really think ANYONE in the entire music business would think I wrote all those Crass songs anyway (must have been young)
    That in itself is enough Steve let alone the fact that I never received a cent of any money cherry red collected, the advance, which was paid direct to jungle was agreed way before I signed a list of tracks so I didn’t use it to get a figure higher as it was for the amount jungle were owed and no more. So Steve I had not stole tens of thousands of pounds from crass and earnt a mint out of the deal I have not had a penny and never will.
    Another thing you may have forgot, do you not remember me saying to you in the pub at the empire` go see matt at cherry red mate, he will give you the best deal to release the video of the gig they are honest and spot on at accounting` Would I send you to the very person/company that I have ripped you off with knowing matt will again give you a lost of songs for you to sign? Much the very same song. Would I have even dared to do the empire with you knowing that I had fucked you over? You know too well that I didn’t want to even play the empire as mum had a stroke two days before but I didn’t want to let you down with all the shit that was flying around about you.
    Would I have asked you soon after the empire to let me take you and a line up to the states and let conflict support you? I called you lots after the empire but you only got back once and said you were taking time off to come up for air.
    I never contacted Alison or penny regarding this as they did not try ONCE to contact me to ask me what was what; instead they chose to publicly slaughter me and I mention that in my statement which in turn they made me withdraw, in honesty as I said I couldn’t give a toss what they think of me, there’s no love lost im just concerned they don’t have a better option to direct their aggression. I did not contact you as for not for one second did I think you believed it, not for a second and if you did WHY THE FUCK DIDN’T YOU CONTACT ME.? You have my mobiles, my home numbers and my address where you have been made welcome and looked after many times. Why Steve? I don’t get it; if it had been the other way around id have come to you to find out what the fuck you were up to. Instead, I read that article, which I will never ever read again. Steve, I thought you knew me as I have always been there with you through thick and thin, the good times and the not so good and I was the person in my eyes that made you laugh a little. I have stood up for Crass and the ideals for three decades and got the scars to prove it and you know what I wouldn’t change a single thing. I have no idea what has made you turn against me (it must be more than this, as it don’t make sense) and I know I will never get to talk to you again, so you make sure you take good care of yourself and have a FANTASTIC life.
    IF, the time comes when you need me I will be by your side and ready and willing to do whatever, wherever as is necessary. There will come a time when our kind have to do what we have got to do what we got to do so im sure our paths will cross again one day.
    That’s it mate (or not) Goodbye. Colin.
     

  2. punkmar77

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    Failing what lot Kaaos? I for one have never worshiped anybody in music or anywhere else for that matter, these people are Human Beings with everything positive and negative that it entails. Musicians and their fellow band members and their fans have been turning on each other since the beginning of time, nothing new here. I will admit that it's sad, the betrayal felt by Colin, but that applies regardless of who the people are.
     
  3. KAAOS-82

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    I probably should have made myself clear in that regard but yes, Colin and Steve are worshiped by the anarcho punk community, you can't deny that a lot of people look up to them and revere them as being people of high stature.

    Rather irrelevant but made me smile: the Bass player of Isterismo Jun (Japanese punk band who we played with this weekend) was wearing a Diatribe patch on his jacket, I thought of you punkmar77 :)
     
  4. ungovernable

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    Ridiculous.........
     
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    why are u even on this site when all you do is bash the music?
     
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    I don't see why you think people looking up to others is a bad thing. Yes, worshiping someone is ridiculous but everyone looks up to someone. People look up to others all the time, getting inspired by the things they have done. I get that 'everyone is equal and that no one is better than anyone else' but that doesn't mean we can't look up at people that have achieved something that is inspiring to us. Looking up to someone doesn't mean you are putting them higher than you in my honest opinion, it means you respect them for what they have done (that inspires you). Now, go make sense of my random mumbling!
     
  7. vAsSiLy77

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    Saint Steve is coming to town today, 17 euros in the Feierwerk Munich, we were offered a few tickets, but my favorite <3 Lil'Apples said:
    No thanks, we can't afford the Crass karaoke show...
    What a priceless gem of wisdom, and there is nothing left to say...

    B :/ ut that was looooooonnnnnng ago...
     
  8. oceanyoga

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    This is between Colin and Steve. Why is this posted on this message board. I hope this message board does not turn into a negative gossip board.
     
  9. punkmar77

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    Its posted because Colin made it public, if he didn't want anyone to see this but Steve he would have e-mailed this or PM'd it, as much as I agree with you OY, we have been re-examining Crass/Conflict worship as of late and I think that is healthy....debunking Idols and questioning everything is anarcho.
     
  10. SurgeryXdisaster

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    yes thats right, punk is dead....





    NOT!

    :lmao:
     
  11. ungovernable

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    Yep steve always do overpriced show what a fucking shame, crass used to do free shows or shows at very low prices

    its funny because when steve started covering songs all the ex members complainted and were against it but they finally accepted it, and now its steve who talk shit about Conflict covering crass songs without paying royalties... What a joke.
     
  12. KAAOS-82

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    Even though Steve was in conflict for a period of time...

    When did i say I didn't like Conflict or Crass' music? I said in a previous thread that I don't like later conflict or anything of Crass past stations save a couple of singles.

    Well said!
     
  13. ungovernable

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    Wtf ?

    Conflict's "there's no power without control" is a piece of ART.
     
  14. Anxiety69

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    Conclusion is one of my all time favorite albums by any artist.
     
  15. SurgeryXdisaster

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    have you ever disagreed with ungovernable?
    :D
     
  16. Anxiety69

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    sure, do a search through some old threads.
     
  17. vAsSiLy77

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    Is absolutely agreed just because it's true...

    The last supper in munich was the predicted Crass karaoke - "sold out" but lots of free tickets offered, only around 150 (!) people attended the show - special gimmick:
    Penny Rimbaud as redhaired "surprise", with a great voice and perfect sound...

    Leaving us poor zealots behind to see the show, most of our friends got frustrated and desillusionated too and came back to cry - so we had a wake in the basement 'till the break of dawn:
    ...and I should not drink that much! :beers:
     
  18. ungovernable

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    Yeah its a great album but not my favorite one by conflict... Theres so many good singles and other albums, i love almost all of them.

    Hmmm we weren't even talking about the same album. And yes, he disagreed with me in some debates, and i also disagreed with him on some points.

    wtf??? penny used to be radically against steve playing crass songs and now hes collaborating with him ?? hes really weird..
     
  19. ungovernable

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    I wonder if Steve Ignorant cover "punk is dead" at his overpriced sellout gigs.... would be very ironic, but comming from someone selling albums for 10 times the price than "pay no more than 2pounds" its not really surprising..
     
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    every post ungov tells me my opinion is fucking stupid, and to fuck off. {pleure} {pleure}
    What a prick :ecouteurs:
     
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