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Black Flag Co-Founder Sues Ex-Bandmates Over Use of Punk Group's Logo, Name

Discussion in 'Music, punk scene & subcultures' started by ungovernable, Aug 4, 2013.

  1. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Admin Team Experienced member


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    Guitarist Greg Ginn claims the touring band Flag, consisting of Keith Morris, Dez Cadena, Chuck Dukowski and Bill Stevenson, infringes on Black Flag rights owned by him and his label, SST Records.
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    One of punk’s most iconic band names has provoked a new lawsuit.

    Fans may be confused to see two different groups performing this year under the name of Hermosa Beach punk outfit Black Flag--one fronted by founding guitarist Greg Ginn, and another touring as Flag with Ginn’s former bandmates Keith Morris, Dez Cadena, Chuck Dukowski and Bill Stevenson.

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    So was Ginn. He claims he and his label, SST Records, exclusively own the rights to the Black Flag name (and “Flag” variation) and infamous logo, which Flag use on tour.

    He sued his 1979-mid 1980s bandmates Friday, seeking an injunction against their current tour, which kicked off in May and will stop in Los Angeles (pending this case) for FYF Fest on August 24. The suit describes the alleged infringement of the logo and name "Flag" as "a colorable imitation" that's "likely to cause confusion, mistake or deception among consumers."
    Ginn accuses Garfield and Morris of lying to the Trademark Office on registrations; using his own label's record covers to feign as though they've been continuing to use Black Flag since 1979, and in an what's alleged to be an act of "outrageous fraud," using bootleg SST t-shirts in an attempt to show they've been making such products in that time.

    Read the suit.

    Also named as a defendant is Black Flag’s most famous former member Henry Rollins, known for his own music, current radio show on KCRW, a column in LA Weekly and a role on FX’s Sons of Anarchy.
    The plaintiff is being represented by attorneys Evan Cohen and Cheryl Hodgson.

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    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-es ... tes-599117

    (Thanks Mar)
     

  2. THEBLACKNOVA

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    Was Black Flag an Anarchist Punk Band??

    Ha i had a conversation about this here band a couple of days ago while i was talking to someone about American Beat Writers and one writer from San Pedro California, around 13 miles away from Hermosa Beach, Charles Bukowski. I did like Black Flags writings, or what i heard, but i never found them to be anarchists, they were like Charles Bukowski's scribbles, supper raw and realists.

    But hey i could be wrong, if anyone has links to them discussing there political views as anarchists please post the links... Thanks :ecouteurs:
     
  3. ungovernable

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    The answer is in the name of the band lol
     
  4. THEBLACKNOVA

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    There were a lot of punk bands that came out of that scene in SOCAL...Like BAD RELIGION and SOCIAL DISTORTION, I remember buying some records of them but i never got the vibe they were anarchist, i'm being sincere, i grew up in SOCAL, and fuck i had to look to the UK for bands like CRASS or CHUMBAWAMBA...

    Do you have any links to interviews where they discuss their views on politics or anarchism??? Especially where they discuss anarchism??

    I always thought they were like a DIY band, or some sort of petite bourgeoisie band, were they owned the small means of production and distribution, you know like Ian MacKaye and Dischord Records...they were and there are a lot of bands like that...but that docent make them anarchists...
     
  5. THEBLACKNOVA

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    Here is a quote i found taken from in interview with Mr Greg Ginn from 11.10.2004...

    maybe he was like JOHNNY RAMONE???
     
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    Maybe Greg Ginn went to UCLA (University of California, Los Angeles) as an Anarchist to figure out all the new stuff they were thinking & teaching in their economics department so he could use it against them??

    I wonder if Greg Ginn applied to go to, or looked into going to, the Chicago School of Economics, thats were the real new thinking in economics was brewing under Milton Friedman and his crazy new ideas of Neo-Liberalism. :D
     
  7. THEBLACKNOVA

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    Yeah but they did not like the word "liberal", in the United Staes Of Americas two party system of conservatives and liberals, Reagan (conservative) did not like liberals so they dropped that term and uses instead Reaganomics or Trickle Down Economic Theory...

    Yeah that was Johnny Ramone.

    Who's that?

    HAHA
     
  8. THEBLACKNOVA

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    HAHA i saw that film... and i have visited some of the spots he traveled through in the Empire haha

    But we should get back to the topic before we get banned :p

    Maybe we should start a thread about nothing, where we discuss, you know, nothing haha
     
  9. THEBLACKNOVA

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  10. Mike AD

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    They're named after a cockroach spray.

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    They were definitely anti-establishment/anti-cop, but I wouldn't say explicitly Anarchist.
     
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  11. Kobac

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    Black Flag is still one of my favorite bands and sadness me to see them doing this over money, or whatever is up on their minds.
     
  12. THEBLACKNOVA

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    Are you a Black Flag aficionado?

    Can you add links to this thread on Black Flags anti-capitalist, anti-state and anti-hierarcy comments they have made in their songs? in interviews they have made ever since they were formed in 1976? or better yet explain their anarchist model on running a music label? I am curious to see their anarchist ideas in action in running a record label, i bet it was all horizontal, leaderless, with direct democracy and a sharing of the profits...

    I think they were an artsy punk band who's only link to anarchism was the band name...Black Flag

    Someone anyone prove me wrong...

    Otherwise if we can talk about Black Flag, why cant we also talk about all those other bands that came out of that scene who were much the same, like Bad Religion??

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    Look at that logo ^^^^^^ against hierarchy!!!!! so that must make them anarchist too!!!

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbWAT66QvVY[/video]

    Black Flag came out of L.A. (Los Angeles/Hollywood) and as they say, it's all about the logo in L.A. :ecouteurs:
     
  13. Kobac

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    I agree with you Blacknova that they were not an anarchist not even close
     
  14. ungovernable

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    Source wikipedia
     
  15. THEBLACKNOVA

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    BLACK FLAG = ART ROCK SOCAL STYLE
    (SOCAL=Southern California)

    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0u04EqNVjo[/video]

     
  16. THEBLACKNOVA

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    …as in referring to this being evidence to “Black Flag” being “Anarchist”, fuck is this all you can come up with for a band (group) that was around from 1976?? A quote from Wikipedia??
     
  17. ungovernable

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    I'm not saying they are anarchist, i'm pointing that they are pretending to. You asked for a link where they claim to be anarchists, so here it is. I haven't really done other researches.
     
  18. xXZenyattaXx

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    Comfortable not quite equal to labeling oneself as, to be fair. Not in defense of BF, I don't really care much whether or not they're "poser @s"

    If they choose Black Flag because it's a symbol of anarchism it'd be a different story I think. But then again, where does support for an ideology end and actively defining an identity begin?
     
  19. Spike one of many

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    I'd think it would also be apparent in their lyrics. I'm not familiar with their lyrics as I've never been a big fan of Black Flag D: but surely if a band had anarchist ideals, these would be reflected in at least some of their lyrics?
     
  20. Kobac

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    Would you consider Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys anarchist bands?These bands just like BF were/are socially arranged bands that talked/singed about their inner struggle, their own problems, rejection, depression, who is friend or foe etc...Contravene is anarcho band , but they never said:Fuck the government or fuck the state.They would rather say:Fuck the evolution and that is why i love these bands
     
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