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Anarchism and Videogames. Compatible?

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Burn1ng, Apr 24, 2011.

  1. Burn1ng

    Burn1ngExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    I'm 25 years old and decided that I want to study video game designing and digital animation at a local University here in Santiago de Chile. My question is as follows:

    Being an anarchist beginner (lots of stuff I haven't read yet) I'm having a lot of internal issues because I'm not sure if I can belong to the anarchist movement while at the same time being a video game designer/ digital animator. For example right now I'm completely obsessed with...

    Pókemon (black version).

    Yeah you read that right. It's mainly because of the deep, catching (no pun inteded?) gameplay and the fact that some pokemon look appealing enough to have.

    Can I be an anarchist and be at the same time a fan of pokemon? I could've asked chilean anarchists of course but after reading THIS (among other topics) : http://www.anarkia.cl/foro/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=6304 (in spanish). I realized there might not even be any real anarchists in Chile at all! (to me it is entirely essential for an anarchist to question everything, these people seem to fail at that).

    Why is it OK for an anarchist to like and play games where people shoot at each other, kill zombies, slay monsters to gain EXP for leveling up, become vampires and werewolves but if someone wants to train a Pikachu it's wrong?

    So that's my question, could stuff like Pokemon exist in an Anarchist world?

    Thanks in advance for your replies.
     

  2. Bakica

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    There's nothing wrong with that. You just need to make a line between reality and fantasy ( which is really hard sometimes, personal expirience ).

    Oh, what program do you use for designing animations ( 3D I guess ) and games generally ? I, myself, am really interested in making programs ( games included ) and I have been programming for 2-3 years.

    Anarchy is freedom, feel free to do anything you like - even if it's having sex with Pikathcu doll :ecouteurs: Really, video-games can coexist with anarchy.

    Cheers :beer: Make lots of fun games ! :ecouteurs:
     
  3. butcher

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    no offense, but when you write that there might not be any real anarchists in Chile where 14 are currently on trial, see 'caso bombas', whilst your concerned about yr pickachu seems a bit odd, to say the least.

    moreover, I'm unsure what the link you provide is meant to demonstrate? Anyway, Zeitgeist is conspiraloonicy...
     
  4. Burn1ng

    Burn1ngExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Sorry for coming off as an asshole for saying such a thing, but you see... that's the problem, the "anarchists" on that website seem to blindly LOVE the Z Movement (which is why I said the link is in spanish, I knew most of you would need the crappy google translator to make sense of it) and these people express more love for it on other topics (I looked it up). Obviously there are some who disagree with Zeitgesit and the VP, but they seem to be in the minority.

    I guess it'd have helped if somebody here knew spanish to know what I was aiming to prove by putting that link in here.

    I've already gone to two manifestations in favor of the 14 kidnapped anarchists (one in October and the other one when they began their hunger strike), but I'd be pretty dissapointed if they turned out to be also seduced by the Shitgeist fucktards.

    I was hoping to meet chilean anarchists for a long time but after looking for dirty stuff about the ZM (most of it found here thank you people a lot) and seeing how people blindly follow it here in Chile... I was really saddened and dissapointed.

    With that clarified, I'd like your input on the main question I made about videogames, I'm still not entirely comfortable playing stuff like Pokemon and Street Fighter and calling myself a "developing anarchist".
     
  5. vAsSiLy77

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    Dunno, video gaming is just another way to kill time, sometimes it got interesting and I fell some time for games like stalker, space colony or the sims 1 + 2 - but after a time or after the end of the story the whole thing is done and gets boring.
    We did some modding on stalker in the past, trying to make those "Freedom" anarchists something else than cannon fodder, played around with the weapon arsenals and stuff - and got the hang of it again, it's just a game...
    Guess I've never lost a thought about the right/wrong issue, I never liked the Pokemoon stuff because of their persisting promotion campaigns - if you like to run around and have duells with cute little somethings try ZANZARAH - it's ages old and vanished into oblivion despite great gaming and graphics.

    And about the ZM taradiddle - it's very much the same over here in gurmoney, especially amongst the younger anarchists, it often gets depressing and dissapointing and cries for some bashing in the extreme cases - but still they are comrades, no matter how stupid they are because the stuff is still getting all around - and I guess the 14 comrades in Chile aren't in trouble for their believes in the ZM-hype... so lets continue to give them as much support as we can! \m/
     
  6. Marzz

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    Well, the act of playing the video game isn't "Anti-Anarchy" but purchasing them from a major retailer is. Might I suggest you

    A. Pirate Your Games

    B. Borrow your games/purchase your games from your friends

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    C. At the very least, purchase them from a local (Non Chain, stay away from Gamestop, Wal-Mart, etc. im sure you know what I mean) electronics store. If your gonna end up supporting capitalism, you might as well support the people who actually need the money. Small Business> Big Business
     
  7. ChaosUK

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    In My Opinion, for someone to tell you you can't play video games and be an Anarchist is theft. But at the same time supporting corporations is bad. So i would suggest going for open-sourced/out-of-print/free games to play. If you know anything about tech, you would know that the only limitations on what you play is what you as a person may know. Just because you own an Xbox, doesn't mean you have to buy Xbox games, you could crack the firmware and install whatever you want. The ps3 is AMAZINGLY crackable, and you can essentially install Linux on your ps3 and play games from there (Wine exists, you can play games on Linux). Anarchism is possible to achieve and still play games. There are tons of independent companies out there that don't focus on monetary gain, and some of them are so independent that they don't even have a studio or an actual company (In the case of Notch, which he makes Minecraft out of his house).

    One of the major things to understand is keep your anarchist ideals everywhere, so don't trust big name companies like Nintendo, Activision, Electronic Arts, Bungie, Valve, and so on for non-corporate games. there is a world of games that exist that don't require purchase, and the creators of these games are normally average workers, not suits trying to steal your money

    Now, there are several 1000 games on the internet that don't involve purchase from corporations. Dwarf Fortress is an awesome free game that is over-the-top difficult. As I stated Minecraft does involve purchase, but Notch is the only one getting the money. I Want To Be The Guy is another game which is free and really challenging. If you honestly want games that don't come from evil corporations, look for the indie game market (Stay off of Steam though, get your indie games from anywhere else but steam, Valve gets paid for displaying games on Steam, and lately has become a big name game company and slightly more evil, even though they are Independent).

    If you really want to play corporate games, I suggest that you pirate them or to see if they are still in print. From my knowledge of American Copyright Laws, it is technically legal to download games that are out of Print because the original creators of the game no longer set it up for sale, and if you buy it, it's second hand. SO by all technicalities, you can pirate old out of print Mainstream games (SO most games before 2000 are now out of print, so that means the whole fucking library of the Golden Age of RPG's is available ;) ). but for the rest of those, pirate the games or borrow them from a friend (as stated). Don't ever buy mainstream games though (Unless they are mainstream Indie games, which weirdly exists). It doesn't matter where you get your games from, Companies like Activison still get their pay for their creations.

    Now on to indie games, you have to understand that most of the creators of Indie games are nerds in their 20's who want to make a game and not be a slave to game corporations. Do research on the companies and games before you jump the gun. Even though Indie Game Companies are still Companies and Corporations, they aren't that bad. If you jump the gun and declare indie game companies bad, then you are just an ass. Yes they may want a profit, but since the people that create indie games are normally a development team of <100 and everyone in the company loves their creations, and they don't try and rip you off like Big name Companies do (Black ops isn't not a step up from MW2, and really is the same game with little vehicle control differences and an Americanized story line), they aren't bad people. But be careful with indie game companies, Valve is still Independent and is the Apple of the Gaming world.

    Lastly, MAKE YOUR OWN GAMES! If you do have the knowledge of coding and model working, make your own game! it's fun, I'm currently working on a Text-based RPG called Tyrant. I like it, and I want it to be fun, and may ask you guys to give it a run when I'm done coding it.

    But yes, Video Games can coexist with Anarchy and so can Technology in general.
     
  8. Burn1ng

    Burn1ngExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Thanks for your replies people... sadly, you're all pretty much saying that I can't play pokemon anymore (and by extend I guess, Street Figther IV franchise as well).

    I really gave independent/free games a try and they all turned out to be quite shitty. Not a single one got my attention for more than five minutes =(. And the games with the best gameplay are all from corporations (and also the best pokemon games are all post 2000 so if I want to play a decent version I can only do so with Illegal roms).

    The thing I look up the most on a game is gameplay, not if a game is "cute". If pokemon was only about that I'd definitely not be playing it right now (for the record I hate Otaku culture and most anime/manga stuff).

    I guess I can't be an anarchist and a game designer :( (which by the way is different than being a game programmer which is impossible for me since I can barely do basic school math).
     
  9. Marzz

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    We aren't telling you you CAN'T do anything. We are just letting you know whats going on if you do. Play pokemon if you want to that bad, it dosen't make you any worse of a person.
     
  10. Burn1ng

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    But aren't you people saying that I should play free games and that if I play corporate stuff I'm a capitalist? Also the most decent pokemon games are all post-2000 so there's no other way to play than having illegal roms.

    To be honest I was thinking on purchasing a Nintendo DS and at leat one original Pokemon game. I don't know about you people in the US, Canada or Europe, but there's plenty of small gaming stores who sell DS games, consoles, accesories and stuff. It definitely isn't the only option to go buy consoles on major stores, hell, there are even regular people who don't even own a store that import consoles and games by themselves and sell them through internet.
     
  11. Marzz

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    Nothing is stopping you from making your own independent games. Also, purchase a DS off of Craigslist or from a friend. That way your money is going twards a fellow being rather than a corporation.
     
  12. ChaosUK

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    Hey bro, you don't have to go to that extreme! I want to become a programmer/designer too man! You can do what you want, just as long as you don't have wrongful intent, and you're not getting used!

    Anarchism is about freedom, not restriction, you can do and be whatever you want! For us to tell you that it's completely wrong to fufill your dreams would make us as bad as the monsters that we rebel against.

    You just have to be smart about what you do and buy. To be honest, the gaming industry isn't that horrid of an industry; it doesn't even compare to government and big business.

    My dream is to program for Blizz. Since I was a kid, I played Diablo and Starcraft and that influenced who I was today. Just because I don't like the state and have anarchist ideals doesn't mean I have to hate them, unless they do something which would restrict me as a person from doing what I want to do.

    You just have to look, read, and study on what you do, and what you want to do. You have to understand that most big name corps are evil, where they'll just abuse you for money, and don't care what you think, as long as you just consume.

    Also i forgot to mention that local game stores that sell used games are ok. There are over 1000 neckbeards who just buy a game, play it through, and return it. So getting used games is ok.

    You just have to think and be smart.
     
  13. JesusCrust

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    I play Warcraft III. Bummer is it runs on an AT&T server, and those fuckers give money to the republican party.
     
  14. DistortFuture

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    Be whatever you want. Why associate with any group? Be yourself. Who gives a fuck what a bunch of "Anarcho Punks" on a forum think of you? Believe what you believe and don't worry about fitting the cliches and standards of a group or organization.
     
  15. ChaosUK

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    But as I said, Tech can do anything if you know what to do and how to do it.

    You can create W3 private servers, or play on private servers, you just have to know your tech
     
  16. Burn1ng

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    This right here is where I'm getting at. Is really the video gaming industry that much of a threat to the world? Do we know if Nintendo are funding multinationals or dictators or such? Well Microsoft could be more... questioned, but really, do anarchist see companies like Nintendo and Capcom as a threat to anarchism? Would it be such a terrible idea to give them one chance to adapt to an Anarchist world should it happen one day?.

    Thanks for your answers folks, I feel better now.

    I hope you become a great programmer/game designer ChaosUK! ;)

    @DistortFuture I know one shouldn't try to fit anywhere but I don't want to feel like I'm betraying my own moral code, and since I don't have much knowledge about anarchism, hence I ask.
     
  17. ungovernable

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    Problem is not the product, but the marketting of the product and the way the company is managed...
     
  18. Burn1ng

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    Meaning that the game itself is not the problem but rather how it's handled? Should I have to wait till the companies get those things right for me to play their games without having to worry of being called a traitor of anarchism?
     
  19. vAsSiLy77

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    The companies won't get those things right for you and I guess I don't have to explain why they never will do that.
    But reading through the posts I start asking myself how smart people can put so much effort, reasoning and energy into such a small problem like gaming while there is a whole life waiting for you with real people, real conflicts, work, activism and - fundamentally - real life in hard times waiting for you.
    Maybe I should thank punk that I grew up before the entertainment industry - important part of the brainwash system - took blossom and started it's distractive work between the ears of postmodern people - but I would give a shit about if somebody would call me a "traitor of anarchism" for this little faux pas wasting time with a game.
     
  20. Hailey Edge

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    I am really just going to reiterate what everyone else has been saying, but I feel the need to give input as I absolutely love video games.

    I don't understand why you are beating yourself up over wanting to become a game designer, if any there there needs to be more anarchists getting into diverse businesses to break up the consistency of small businesses dealing with large corporations. As long as you feel morally decent with what you are pursuing there is no telling you what you can and can't do with your life. Of course it would be a little hard to work for Capcom for example and convince the entire franchise to distribute only to small businesses but if you design your own games and only deal with smaller businesses I don't see why you would say you're supporting the world market.

    When I buy video games I usually buy online or from second hand stores except in the case of Pokemon White in which I pre-ordered directly from Game Freak because I couldn't wait to play it, and by the way it is definitely the best game I've played all year.

    When you say "I realized there might not even be any real anarchists in Chile at all!" The only response I can come up with is that, of course there are no real anarchists, we are all living in a world that implements laws and societal norms on us that we simply can no shake by changing our political ideology. Of course we can do our absolute best to eliminate these boundaries but nobody can claim themselves as 100% anarchist in all departments until governmental structure has been eliminated. I realize a lot of you are probably going to beat me up over that comment but I do not care, part of life on this shitty planet is being tainted by the man.

    Overall, please keep playing your games. Anarchy is freedom, if anyone tells you you can't play your games frak them. Do what you please because without freedom of choice we've got nothing.
     

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