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9/11 Conspiracy Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by QueerPunk, May 16, 2010.

  1. QueerPunk

    QueerPunkExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    HAHAHAHAHA!!! Nice....









    Oh and don't put the 9/11 Truth movement in the same category as the Reptillian, NWO, Illuminati and ZOG bullshit. I personally think the 9/11 official report is full of holes and full of shit but I am not a stark raving mad lunatic like some people who are interviewed by the media to make questioning the official story look like a silly thing to do.
     

  2. butcher

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    Yes, but the 9/11 truth movement has attracted a shit load of nutbags.

    There was a presentation by some engineer at Trades Hall about 9/11.
    We were there to keep some undesirable ppl out, however the assorted bunch of nutbags that did show was an amazing spectacle.
     
  3. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    I dont think finding out what REALLY happened on 9/11 is gunna change a damn thing, just like who shot Kennedy. I think what Chomsky said on this topic when asked at a conference was pretty good. You can youtube the video.
     
  4. QueerPunk

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    Yes and it is a bloody cop out on Chomsky's behalf....

    If I want to know what really happened I will engage in as much research as I feel like so I have piece of mind.
     
  5. ungovernable

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    Questionning the official version is one thing, believing there is a conspiracy and that the US Government bombed their own towers is another completly different thing, and the second one is definatly conspirationist bullshit like the illuminatis and other shitty disinformation.

    In all conspiracy theories there is always a point in common : far-right ideologies. There is a documentary called "the 11 september never happenned" (in french). It trace back the origins of all conspirationist theories around 9/11 and we clearly see that it's all comming from the same far-right philosophers who wanted to sell books

    yes, some things have been hidden and government doesn't want to let you know everything, or else everyone would know how they supported and sold weapons to Ben Laden just like they did with Saddam Hussein and most of their ennemies. But there is no such thing as bombs in the WTC, and no such thing as the government evacuating the jews outside of the WTC before the attack.

    Anyway, the facts are still that 911 conspiration is an useless debate, since you can't prove anything, and those debates always turn into suppositions and speculations. While we care about this waste of time, the government is laughting because no one see the real problem : not the supposedly conspiration of 911, but the war in irak and war in afghanistan, and also the fact that the problem is the GOVERNMENT itself

    Conspiration theories are counter-productive, it makes us look stupid, you ain't ever going to prove anything with those theories, it is a waste of time and it has nothing to do with anarchism. INCLUDING 911.


    But if you want to talk about a REAL "conspiration", we could talk about how the afghanis, french and british soldiers had osama bin laden surrounded and they had him in sight during 24 hours in afghanistan at the beginning of the war. They tryed to contact the american command post during 24 hours to ask them the authorization to kill him, but the order never came. When they finally got an answer, it was too late and osama bin laden left the battlefield by the only way that was free of soldiers. He definatly was told where to go by someone on the US side, and it was proven by many soldiers who were there. There is a documentary (in french, again) that explains the whole story.
    Now this is a more believable story than the conspiration of 911. the americans didn't want to kill osama too soon or else they would loose their reason to do this war. if osama was killed at the beginning of the war, they would have lost the people's support and americans would have requested the US Soldiers to leave afghanistan since the mission was accomplished.

    They done the same thing in Bosnia/Gerbia with the "grey fox" (one of the war leader). The CIA and US Army pretended to been looking for him during years, and a group of journalists were able to find him in only 2 weeks. (there is even a movie around this story, i forgot the name..). In bosnia/serbia, they were publishing telephone numbers to contact the CIA and give them informations, but none of those numbers were working.
     
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  7. butcher

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    Yeah, like Ungovernable said, a lot of the 9/11 truth stuff i read eventually starts talking about how the Jews were evacuated, etc, etc
     
  8. ungovernable

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    ewwww what a shitty website, full of stupid conspiration theories, and also full of ads. They just want to make money publishing shitty stories, just like the ones who write the same shitty books about those conspiration theories.

    there are dozens of documentary around the 9/11 and it's all the same stupid theories.

    Anyway, i will not even waste my time debating wether this is true or false. Just read again my previous message. This is a fake debate, a waste of time. We should center our energy fighting against the true problems behind this story : the war on terrorism, war on irak, war on afghanistan, and the source of all problems : government.
     
  9. QueerPunk

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    I have general issues with the official story based around basic engineering and science, melting temperatures of steel and the strength of solid steel structures, not to mention the hispanic janitors who had mentioned a co-worker been killed in a blast in the basement when the planes hit, the dubious explanation for the perfect collapsing of Tower 7, the French film makers who were doing a doco on the NYFD and filmed the footage in the lobby of one of the towers where the fire chief made a comment about the lobby's appearance implying that there had been an explosion in the lower extremities of the building.

    I have major issues with the fact that there was fuck all coverage of the Pentagon attack and footage of the Pentagon attack has been kept by the US state department and not released.


    I am not interested in NWO or Illuminati bullshit it really is fucking stupid that I am lumped into the same camp as these fucksticks.
     
  10. metalpunx

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    I don't believe the US government planned the attack. I do believe that the government (and not just the Bush administration) used it to push their agendas - they might have even made sure that the towers went down. The right-wing fringe is right on one thing - tragedy is a great tool to use to suppress human rights. I see 9/11 as a chance to manipulate the masses to get them to depend all the more on the State for protection.

    Also, while I believe the Alex Jones-style conspiracy theorists (and often racist), the term “New World Order” \is\ used quite a bit in modern politics – often by people who want global government and currency. While I don't believe in some great conspiracy "to destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America", I am against globalism. Its just another case of the State attempting to control, using a false sense of unity to lull the masses into believing everything is okay.
     
  11. Anxiety69

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    i have no facts to back this up, but this what i think about the plane crash in pennsylvania... that the media needed something positive to come out of this so I believe they made up the story or exaggerated it about the passengers fighting the hijackers and bringing down the plane. there are a number of reasons it could have crashed, not less of all would be the lack of skill by the hijack pilots (the other hijackers didn't have to fly the planes nearly as far. The whole tale reeks of US Propaganda and patriotism.
     
  12. ungovernable

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    Numerous peoples in the United 91 pennsylvania flight called their families before they tryed to take over the plane. If it wasn't true, we would have heard from the families of the victim of this flight
     
  13. Ivanovich

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    Details don't matter, just ask yourself who benefit from 9/11. When I watch this happening at the time, I remember thinking this is unreal, it like some plot from crappy Hollywood movie. Well yeah, so now I figured out why - it was...
     
  14. Probe

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    Heres a video I found of the 7 World Trade Center collapse that kinda raise suspense
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&NR=1&feature=fvwp[/video]
     
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    i dont get what is so suspicious or what is supposed to be suspicious about that
     
  16. ungovernable

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    lol it is obvious this video comes from an expert, just look at the nice graphics made in paint :D a very serious source :p
    :lmao:

    Yes there are hundreds and hundreds of videos supposed to prove a conspiracy in 9/11, from michael moore's fahrenheit 9/11 to loose change, it's so popular that everyone is making a shitty documentary with asumptions of conspiracy but none of them are experts... I seen far more serious-looking documentary than the video you posted, sorry :p and i still believe none of those theories, it's just made for the money, and been like that since the first book about 911 conspiracy that came out...
     
  17. ghoul

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    I absolutely agree with you ungov. There was a conspiracy that day and it was amongst the people that flew those planes into the buildings. Did the Bush admin use that to their advantage, yes. Were they responsible for it, no.
     
  18. QueerPunk

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    Tower 7 was not hit by any planes and even if a section of the lower part of the building was damaged by debris from the twin towers it should not have fallen into itself like a controlled demolition...it would have keeled over sideways.

    The video of tower 7 here is not a good one, I hate the videos with the music and all that bullshit but you need to watch the actual footage of WTC 7 (Tower 7) falling and you will see what I'm referring to here.
     
  19. DrunkSquid

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    The only doubt I have lies with the smaller tower that went down.. I don't understand how it could simply implode like that from fires and pieces of debris, albeit large pieces of debris, whereas a tower twice as tall in south america somewhere burned for 2 weeks or something but never fell... wtf?
     
  20. QueerPunk

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    Solid steel structures only seem to crumble and fall down into themselves this one instance...the building you were referring to in south america was in Venezuela, it was a solid steel structure that burned for 12 days and didn't suffer strucutural damage let alone fall into itself due to melting steel.

    Steel melts at 1510 degrees celcius which is about 2750 degrees farenheit. Jet fuel burns at 825 degrees celcius which is 1517 degrees farenheit. The idea that the tower structures melted is a load of bullshit.
     
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