No veil or no service

This has been going on for a while. I remember France was trying to illegalize the head garb. It is pretty stupid

 

ya shit like this makes me want to start a riot

 

There's people here that want to ban it to.
And I have to say the full-body burka is something I (yes I, no one else, me personally) find appalling and hard to deal with. I would prefer it if people DIDN'T wear it, but I'm not going to forbid it.
On the other hand a wanted criminal got out of the UK wearing his sisters burka, apparently Customs weren't allowed to look under it

 

What is easy to forget is that not only religious muslim women might want to cover their faces. To illegalize any kind of vail is just a small piece in the puzzle of controll. 'Security'cameras doesn't have much effect if everyone covers their faces, might it be with a vail, a bandana or a skimask. To start a debate on vails, speaking only of the opressed women forced to wear niqab, burka or chador, as it seems to have been done all over the globe, is an easy way to get people to agree that covering the face is wrong. Not only are there women who freely chooses to wear vails, but also others that for different reasons choose to not show their faces.
Of cause i don't think anyone should be forced to cover face or hair, but it should be a choice for anyone to make.

 

Here it's illegal to cover your face in a protest, on the way to a demonstration, near a demonstration, on the way from a demonstration, where a demonstration is about to take place and where one has been. In general it's not illegal, yet. There's been talk about it but enough people in the government has voted against it so far, but i suppose it's just a matter of time.

 

What I have to say about this is that most Muslim women are not allowed to wear bikinis, so as a solution, they wear a damn burka, they swim head to toe in a black garment filled with sweat from the heat of the sun building up inside that garment, why? Because a long-dead person told them to.

Religion imposes rules by force, especially on children of a family of a certain religion, furthermore wearing a religious symbol in public places may incite hatred/conflicts between that individual and another person of another religion because of their different points of view and religion.

A veil is a leash made of cloth.

 

I don't have any problems with it, however I do understand some people find it hard to deal with,
I would understand the reasons to ban it when it gets banned (I still am fiercly against banning any religious clothing!).
on the other hand, I really don't get the hang of being against the wearing of veils...
(when we go voting in June this year, I'm gonna buy one, to support a protest action against Wilders)

 

As I said I don't object to people wearing them, but I object to not being able to see people's faces when I interact with them, I also dislike people wearing sunglasses when I'm talking to them, wearing their baseball caps low or wearing whatever the fuck else on their ugly mugs.

 

I dunno, if their mugs that ugly, maybe best they cover up when I talk to them, init.

 

This is why i take issue with women wearing burkas, it's not always because they want to, women can be can face severe punishment for not wearing one. I honestly find them very off putting, because i see something that i find degrading to women, having some dead guy tell you that you can't show skin? And being punished if you do? How fucking chauvinistic is that? I realize that this maybe this is seen differently to those who wear it , but i grew up without religion and can not always fully understand why someone would follow a belief that is so demeaning, kinda like women who are catholic and say they are not allowed to use birth control or have abortions.

 

I think the way to go about this is not to ban the clothing, it's to catch anyone responsible for punishing those who refuse to wear it. If the persecution based on adherence or lack thereof is removed, it WILL be a choice. Honestly, I think this is a cultural deal more than anything. I feel like the immigrants from the places where these are the norms just need time to exercise some freedom from theocracy, and these symbols of oppression will disappear.

Not that I'm supporting this for any religious reasons- I certainly have little respect for Muhammed and fully support the Danish cartoonist who has been threatened by Islamists for exercising free speech. The problem lies in the government having that control over what you wear. That's why I disagree with the German laws forbidding Nazi symbols/uniforms. For one, these laws don't make Nazism disappear. More importantly, I have to support their right to wear what they will so that I have the right to say what I will (including telling them to fuck off).