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Why do Anarchists hate cops?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Probe, Mar 16, 2010.

  1. punkmar77

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    Of course not...but I also wouldn't let my guard down with that specific hypothetical person...off to the San Diego Occupy to give it some anarchist flavor...Salud!
     
  2. vAsSiLy77

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    Omigod - is it "Give Cops A Chance" now?
    Berlins occupysomethings applied for an sanctionated (!) and of course peaceful demostration on 17th of october, to discuss "alternatives to our weakened economic system" and some youngsters jump eagerly up and down on facebooks... guess the camping part was chancelled because of the weathers getting cold... huh!
    some news from Greece:
    some pics of the obvious lack of communication:
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    Storm: People try to break through a a high fence blocking the entrance to the Greek Parliament

    oh yesss, it's all fault of the "rich" - and I guess this methodical social envy IS depending on the weather...
    I hope they don't need it as bad as I suspect:
    "Activists" in Detroid threatend to give the cops the names of militant troublemakers - so keep care and good luck!
     
  3. RotCrust

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    The situation is different in every part of the world. You can't super-impose the same circumstances and results. It's what "case by case basis" means. I am not from greece so I can't say what they need to do or what the root of their turmoil, and neither can anyone who does not live there and is being directly affected by the way of life there. However they choose to deal with it, best of luck to them. As far as the US is concerned, the corporate lobbyists are at fault for the state of politics and boasting promises of police annihilation and hatred have never worked. We had one such anti-police rally here in portland and it was a devastating backfire, cops didn't even flinch. The memory of that "might makes right" parade hopefully won't be forgotten soon.

    I also never said "give cops a chance, they ain't so bad" I said alternative, non aggressive strategies need to be used and that includes the sentiment that police are monsters and not individual human beings.
     
  4. nike

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    Gobblez you are an e x t r e m i s t !
    sumhow i just wonder where you got all those strawmen from - not from this thread as far as i see...

    but i know the situation is different here and there, anarchism and class war are always something behind the hills, while "corporate lobbyists" are really strong in state-capitalist china and the other peoples republics labeled "communist" - and still the people aren't free?
    oh yes, gen. george a. custer, lt. calley and back-to-the-stoneage-le may, adolf h., heini himmler, josef st. and pol pot were individual humans too - just like their numerous homicidal underlings doing the dirty job, and they just followed orders to earn a living and to protect and serve - no, i wouldn't have supported their execution in case they were made facing the consequences of their doing...
    but asking them for anything else but to fuck off or have any doubts about fighting them by any means necessary?

    how much of a threat are the wall street, stock markets, "the rich"/the oligarchy without their guards and protectors, bloodhounds and marionettes? wall street is just a footnote in the history books after private property is socialised and distributed to the people and even the billionaries get "poor" if their richness won't buy any privileges - because all humans are equal and bank accounts are just means of transfer the fruit of personal labour but nothing more.

    try to "communicate" your way into the white house, the pentagon or yorks police department and start widening the gap between the masters and their underlings - i guess it will help quite a bit with your view on the prison system
    rationality?
    realism: the prison system isn't the cops jurisdiction/responsibility - that's the department of justice...
    more realism: "the rich" won't be able to stop me claiming the rotting factory down the street, found a collective or a commune and start developing jobs and living together of the people from the area still crowding in small expensive appartements...
    but the cops will show up and give us three very communicative calls to fuck off - and start rounding us up after the second...
    and i bet that you never left your liberal soap bubble by now, just to get at least a wiff of realities spiced with mace&pepper...
    this one may help with the differences in greece:
    http://redantliberationarmy.wordpress.c ... he-crisis/
     
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    First off, I don't think you know the definition of "strawman argument". And, the hypothetical scenario was posed to prove that there exists the possibility of working with a cop. It wasn't made up. Something like that did happen.

    Secondly, absolutely nothing you said was relevant. Were not talking about hitler. We're not talking about getting into the white house. We're not even talking about "talking is the solution to everything" if you're able to stay on topic and respond to specific points instead of falling back on ACTUAL strawmen like bringing up dictators to give your opinion more clout, I would enthusiastically encourage it.

    The fact that you believe wall street is a "footnote" is enough evidence to me that you are severely misinformed. The rich won't stop you from squatting? Who do you think owns the building? Who do you think ordered your removal? The prison industrial complex is not connected to the police? Who do you think orders the police to put more people in jail? Who do you think profits from prisons? You make it sound like the police are a rogue self-governed militia. You need to study the power structure. Until then I'm going to save my breath for those better educated. Sorry, no offense. And for the record, I've been maced by the police. At the pdx police protest I was talking about. It's that colossal failure and the success of other more peaceful protests which led me to ask questions that so far have only been answered with a different preference of methodology. Have you ever been maced? Of course you have
     
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    Did you look at the wall st. Thread? Punkmarr77 posted a link proving jp Morgan chase payed the police to keep down the protestors. But I guess those millions of dollars are a "footnote". The police were acting of their own accord.wall street themselves have no agenda...yup..
     
  7. vAsSiLy77

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    means that you promote the little legend of "from Madrid to Tahir Square to Tel Aviv?" including your universal remedy:
    ... non aggressive strategies... - by now just as hypothetical as the hypothetical relevance of the single saint in the horde of hired thugs? or the impact of some thousand labtops donated to the cops on the social struggle in the us?

    typical strawman arguments:
    a: a thread called "why do anarchists hate cops"
    b: "I said alternative, non aggressive strategies need to be used and that includes the sentiment that police are monsters and not individual human beings."

    a: "gen. george a. custer, lt. calley and back-to-the-stoneage-le may, adolf h., heini himmler, josef st. and pol pot were individual humans too (...) just like their numerous homicidal underlings doing the dirty job and they just followed orders to earn a living and to protect and serve"
    b: like bringing up dictators to give your opinion more clout
    (instead of lemay i would have taken no-prisoners-hoover...)

    question: custer and calley and heini and maybe pol pot too were dictators?
    did we miss a little bit while desperately dancing around a valid argument bringing up the problem of individual human underlings wearing a uniform?!
    we are talking about getting rid of the white house instead of loitering around the clichè symbol of wall street as the very center of "the rich" - and complain about only an aspect of the obvious relevant problem.
    and i guess you missed the fact by now that the banking business is stateless in fact, has turned global and lost most of it's prominent faces and places too - are we chasing phantoms to get some coverage in the media and waiting for a change/ the repairs of a system on the way down?
    some libcom realism/education:
    here you're getting more than funny, aunt sally:
    about being misinformed and obviously lacking education/ being in touch with actual developments? see above...
    realism:
    hordes of "rich" people keep us (war-hungry hordes all about to annihilate the cops) from claiming the factory?
    cops getting orders to storm and clean up the place within 24 hours from far away wall street n.y. or at least noble suburb gruenwald?
    - instead of enforcing the laws and the protection of private property promoted by the state?
    how far will we get playing the old game of blaming well-poisoners, greedy moneymen stealing the last shirt from the poor kids?
    who gives a shit about who "owns" a building if there is noone left to protect the claim of a "rich" human individual, a bank, real estate management or some other makeup moneymachine to be abolished along with the idea of private property as soon as the people take back whats theirs by need?
    why haven't i seen any cops beyond the entry halls of the prisons which hospitality i enjoyed in the past?
    have you ever heard of a state fake called "separation of powers"- the difference between enforcing the law and executing "justice"?
    are we a bit beyond average in relation with the realities all around portland?
    santa or "the rich"? - did the cops in the us regressed back to their origins in fugitve slave-catching, strike breaking or hiring out to businessmen and governments for a price - successful Pinkertons Agency employees numbers exceeded those of the standing army of the United States at their prime - but were by no means a "a rogue self-governed militia" - or whatts?
    and i guess it is those evil "the rich" ordering the murder of homeless mental patients like Kelly Thomas, drunken unemployed youths and other poor souls being in the wrong place at the wrong time - uneducated Nike posted somewhere on the forum, that according to death-rate statistics you are more likely killed by a cop than murdered by a terrorist in the us, so:
    what the hell do you know/ have you ever learned about the history and status quo of power structures that gives you the authority to judge others, especially after blaming me for putting you down?
    - oh yes, you were maced too - along with those bad example evil hordes boasting police annihilation... hold your breath next time and come up with arguments instead of repeating clichès and hypothetical somethings to cover up the gaping holes in your black&white shangri-la.
     
  8. RotCrust

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    I never offered a universal remedy. On the contrary, I said one must remain flexible to approach each situation indivdually. You read things that are not there.

    You also misunderstand the concept of being against demonization. It's not about being pro-police, or excusing the actions of many because there are some "saints" ( your words, not mine again) it has more to do with how the police and the general community perceive the intentions of the organization doing the protesting. It is about not being unnecessarily antagonistic when not one
    single positive outcome has come of it. When the illusions dissipate, only then can one begin to approach a problem realistically.


    What needs to be addressed are the specific circumstances of a situation and reactions of both parties. Everyday life, a protest, and a riot are three completely different scenarios and as such the police will react according to those circumstances. Not to mention how quantifiable the differences became afterwards depending on the location, people involved, and recent events.
    But yes, continue to juxtapose police during a riot where people are burning the city and your
    average sunny day.

    Yet another misunderstanding is the word "communication" some seem to believe that it means the same thing as talking, which is completely erroneous. Further still, confusion as to when communication is appropriate. I never advocated putting on a smile and politely asking the cops to stop beating the shit out of us. Communication is used between the community at large and the police in everyday life to affect a specific event. If the police murder a mentally ill homeless person, its up to the community (not anarchists vs cops) to protest the enevitable outcome of the trial. People can't just groan roll over and wait for a directionless outburst of violence that plunders already economically depressed areas further into poverty (hello "successful" london riots). It has everything to do with outlook and presentatio. The police needs to realize that a specific officer needs to be brought to some sort of justice not because of the political dogma of a select few, but because they present a very real danger to the community. That's a position EVERYONE can get behind, versus "kill the pigs". It forces the police then to address how they will keep the people safe, since they claim that is their concern. Protesting is very much publicity .

    Now, in the case of a protest, obviously there is no room for dialogue but the protestors must be mindful of how the police,the media, and the people will perceive certain actions taken. It serves no purpose to antagonize an otherwise successful protest.

    You really believe the rich personally call the police and ask them to perform favors? Naive? Do you not understand how corporate state shapes policy or are you simply being contrarian for the sake of your argument?

    Furthermore, if you believe class war is irrelevant and cliche, why are you even anarchist? Perhaps you would be better suited to be a secret agent, on the front lines of a war you are happy virtually fighting alone? What was that about martyrdom? I see you have yet to respond the questions I posed to you...
     
  9. vAsSiLy77

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    of the "1%" of "the rich" stealing away the american dreams and corrupting the states politics?
    Oh aunt sally (i don't really expect that you got that, bonnie england is so far off portland):
    Not surprised that you didn't got that too, including whats going on on the frontlines - and by the way:
    My dear Applez "has" to do nothing, yours wannabe-authority of the latest hype of
    "we don't know what we want and have no clue how to get it"
    whining about the lack of a decent debate while barely capable to read and understand - you don't really know what's it all about in the internets, not to mention real life, don't you?
    sunday's best, brushed shoes, clean haircut, don't spit on the ground, don't curse or swear, stay straight... and fucking get in line when the protectors of the people herd up the next batch! talk about organisation...
    but it getting even more better honestly, I hardly believe what i see:
    But I think you really aren't first choice to promote anything above the level of jehova witness wisdoms... because:
    and i just know that yours an expert in messing up the mess...
    Give it up aunt sally, spare your breath and return home, relax, have a smoke... the world outside is only full of mysteries...
     
  10. nike

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    as i said before: Gobblez yours an E X T R E M I S T!

    and dear aunt sally selling freedom and social justice - too bad that the cops won't buy that!
    oh no, the kids with the
    and their "organisations" are already bringing out the freeloaders, far less funny than aunt sally:
    o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O o_O
    don't call them conspicrazy nuts - thats demonizing, agressive too and making aunt sally sad...
    and the "sundays best" came up somewhere before too, all about public relations and the impression to be made on the media, the cops, the public too - have to find it again, but I'm quite sure, this "movement of the people" will be in the right hands soon...
    the promo-expert is already off-topic... :D :D :D
     
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    Gobble:

    You didn't really say anything. Just spouted off a lot of pseudo-intellectual putdowns. I never mentioned the american dream. The arm of corporatism stretches far beyond the ahores of the US. You know this. Destruction of ecosystems, imperialism, slavery, and lobbying are all "irrelevant and cliche" to a masked man of danger such as youraelf. I never said the rich were the end all of all problems. Just that policys and therefore the police are structured to protect the rich. Are you saying the rich have absolutely zero
    influence in politics?

    The closest thing to an actual argument there is the bit about "sunday's best" I specifically said I was against putting on smiles and asking nicely. Yet you cling to that because it's convenient for you to dismiss it as such. White and black thinking? "If you're not screaming bloody murder, you are a goddamn pig lover". I'm all for mass civil disobedience and disruption. I just don't see the point in starting a rally antagonizing the police. It's never worked.

    Is populism overrated? "The people don't know what they need. I do" revolutions are not won by handfuls, let me tell you. But nothing is impossible for james bond.

    I also fail to see how approaching situations differently according to time and place is cliche. Please, enlighten me on how you think you will dissolve the pawns. No answer yet. Violence is the only answer? How many pigs have you smashed? Why hasn't it worked yet?

    "We don't know what we want how
     
  12. vAsSiLy77

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    it's gobble for me friends, you can call me gobbledigooks - any chance you get that?

    It's getting a bit booooring to watch your mirrorfighting continuing, no you not only never said nothing, just cutting and pasting your statements from facebooks and liberal media, yeah, the scarecrow wants to get a brain 'cuz there is nothing but straw - man: yours really a persistant windbag:
    and prior to that:
    Do you at least know what yours talking about if you order a beer?
    All those dry and empty strawmen:
    where the fuck did you get all that stuff from? (uneducated Nike asked before - but you didn't gettit...)
    Instead of boasting statements after direly needed inspiration by the good witch of the @pplez (talk about flexible response) you better stop reading headlines only, study some history, get a clue whats going on in the far aways from portland, whats about terms like strawmen, populism and your dump disability to read and understand what you're reading.
    was quite a candidate for a laugh and todays favorite bullshit, but you almost exelled yourself:
    Personally I'm on very good terms with pigs, so I never smashed a single pig in my life. I feel they are very much like humans, smart omnivores able to get around everywhere, I enjoy a good mud-bathing here and there too and like me, pigs enjoy a strong natural authority-problem and never listen to anyone trying to order them around.
    Sadly they are victims of the capitalist economy, neglected, abused, diffamed and kept in captivity to be murdered and slaughtered in great numbers - overall:
    thats why i turned almost completely vegetarian and became a strong supporter of the abolition of the meat industry.
    I have to admit that I don't understand yours second question - because my relations with pigs are characterized by obvious mutal consent and solidarity between living beings with several needs and personal traits in common, we get along with each other perfectly, living side by side on this world, sharing our planet across the conjectual limits of species and quite different lifestyles. Pigs are my friends.
     
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    Its called Capitalism not 'Corporatism'.

    :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: epic win!!!1!!111one!!!oneone :ecouteurs:
     
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    Are you telling me explicitly violent statements are not part of police protests? So I'm imagining the "fuck cops shirt" depicting rape? No one ever says "the only good cops are dead cops" come on man. Not challenging the cops to a beatdown and putting on your Sunday best are not comparable if you don't dream in black and white.

    What makes what I say rhetoric and you don't. A great deal of what you've said is incredibly cliche "smash the state" meaningless bullshit. There's no substance. There's no solutions to any problem. If the cops knew you were a real threat I promise you you would have been behind bars for a long long time. They don't like being fucked with. But maybe you shot a lazer out of a pen and narrowly escaped certain doom from the nefarious neir-do-wells? You're just that sneaky. I wonder what you're waiting for though? Since you have the solution to an affliction of the world, why haven't you liberated us from our porcine oppressors? Furthermore, you have yet to explain how walkin tuff is going to make the cops go away. Perhaps once they see the tower of power, gobbles, that menacing Goliath of a man, the cops will say "gee fellows, this burly brawling radical clearly means business. With his iron will and steel grip, there's no way we can win this one. Let's just drop our guns, tasers, batons, shields, poisons, and hightail it out of here, lest we learn the true meaning of what "REAL anarchy is all about. He has won the war" :ecouteurs:
     
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    what we got today of all the evil in the world:
    to bad that all the bogey-visions smell like corporate :o media overdose. o_O and somehow i miss the part about "the rich" this time.
    maybe it's time to rename the thread:
    WHY DOES AUNT SALLY HATES ANARCHISTS?
    needless to mention that you obviously hate pigs too...
    and i wonder, did you find your remedy because you're unable to deal with all those teen boy fantasies coming up and filling your vision after a long day of "yesss sir/no sir"? and sneaking around individual humans, because all of them COULD be violent, or secret agents at the front lines, black masked goliaths of ANARCHY or laser shooting snipers or other gobbledigooks in disguise?
    poor thing! (and please spare me your phantasy on anarchism, my stomach isn't that tough...)
     
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    Welcome to idealism, friend...where denial is to be expected. Bogey visions? Hardly. Maybe you haven't been to such rallies, or you're so caught up shouting "burn the state" you didn't notice the very same people you're supposedly fighting for calling the boys in blue. Detroid protest decided they don't want some rebel withouta cause starting a riot throwing a brick through a cop car. "Hit and run tactics". "Bring the london riots here!" Uhh, no thanks. Imagine that, people NOT wanting their homes and businesses burned down...what a novel idea. "Just typical liberal media hype" yeah yeah, the people don't know
    what they want or need. But yeah, its a lot easier to trash someone else's hood and then leave
    those you stood in "solidarity" with the bill and the mess. Thanks, you just escalated tensions
    between the police even more. Take your nose out of the anarchist cookbook and wake up. But
    oh, organizing doesn't look nearly as cool as Molotov cocktails and "fight fire with fire tattoos"!!! Strange how practicality seems to mysteriously ail only those with years of community organizing experience...

    Don't even start on anarchy. Those itching for
    violent conflict spend too much time in the mirror
    trying on combat boots and gas masks. Believe it
    or not, there is a whole spectrum of anarchist ideology, many of which isn't rooted in spiky jackets and bad attitudes. Sure we all wish things would go in one fell swoop in an incandescent blaze of glory , but that's what separates those who dream, and those who do. Err, at least it's supposed to. But thankfully the real deal freedom fighters only represent a portion and not the entirety. Next you'll be telling me people who
    have been at the game long long before you bought your first exploited CD "are not real
    anarchists" o_O
     
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    omianarcho-punk.net!
    and someone wise and dead smart saw it all coming before - eh, aunt sally?:
    guess we skip the un-suitor part and "friend" too - collaborators justifying denunciation with "they don't want some rebel withouta cause" have no friends around here - fuck you and your back-stabbing kind!
    just too ridiculous how aunt sally gives quite an cartoon-example of the confused-hype-character of a movement boasting "the tahir tactic" and some ridiculous game of numbers too - it's all about presentation - while the general impression of a few thousand frustrated victims of the american fraud, FED/corporatsumfing-nuts, pipsqueaks and media-divas, not to forget lotsa just socialising youngsters without a clue (barely a promille of "the people"?) summarises in a simple:
    "give us money and we'll go home before the first frost makes us going home" - bloomfield already cares about the tourists...
    guess it was not that bad at all, that the coffee-party last year never made it into corporate media and remained in the social ad-netters... they spared us a lot embarrasment:
    don't leave the sidewalk or we call the cops, pop-celebs like slavoy zizek on vid-promotion for the next hipster pop-hype, lots of bad news of lots of unanswered cop raids and mass arrests - all those people getting in trouble for the cause:
    it was their home, it was their community... - kinda missunderstanding, the hypothetical thing about pulling the cops over by giving the collaborator - eh, aunt sally:
    how about switching at least to the salt march tactic and get brained martyrs to keep the movement growing?
    you don't know what i talk about eh, ask wikipedia, its a bit more content than the headlines on fakebooks, but i guess as usual you will not get it and just cut and paste the next parade of your foxtelly-education, spiced with your immense knowledge about protestesters, spikey punks and anarchism - the ideology:
    oh no not that beardy saint tolstoy this time...
    while my favorite extremists keep rattling your chain and rofl like hell, i think it's about time to make up at least for the abysmal lack of your niveau:
    WHY DOES AUNT SALLY HATES ANARCHISTS, PUNKS AND INNOCENT PIGS?
    wikipedia gives the answer::
    see lousy windbag, you are innocent too, quite as the poor pigs you abused as the true product of your system, aunt sally: just another victim of the slaughtermachine and this evil banking business too - brained/maced into collaboration.
    tell me, the secret agent of the front lines:
    will you even enjoy it if the time comes to face the consequence of your sup'iority to Worzel?
    because the cops still don't gettit, this non-aggression... jerks just like you!

    ah na, you just spend your time completing your collection of clichés and media hypes, spinn a little yarn about the living of a community organizing anarchist refusing the "incredibly cliche "smash the state" meaningless bullshit".
    do you hope some youngster jesses scared by your mace-experience (domestic accident?) will buy it?
    it's all about a little attention eh?
    maybe you should try socialistalternative-online, they like collaborators who sell out people and i'm sure, out of years of community activism, they'll give you even a member card too!
     
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    omianarcho-punk.net!
    and someone wise and dead smart saw it all coming before - eh, aunt sally?:
    guess we skip the un-suitor part and "friend" too - collaborators justifying denunciation with "they don't want some rebel withouta cause" have no friends around here - fuck you and your back-stabbing kind!
    just too ridiculous how aunt sally gives quite an cartoon-example of the confused-hype-character of a movement boasting "the tahir tactic" and some ridiculous game of numbers too - it's all about presentation - while the general impression of a few thousand frustrated victims of the american fraud, FED/corporatsumfing-nuts, pipsqueaks and media-divas, not to forget lotsa just socialising youngsters without a clue (barely a promille of "the people"?) summarises in a simple:
    "give us money and we'll go home before the first frost makes us going home" - bloomfield already cares about the tourists...
    guess it was not that bad at all, that the coffee-party last year never made it into corporate media and remained in the social ad-netters... they spared us a lot embarrasment:
    don't leave the sidewalk or we call the cops, pop-celebs like slavoy zizek on vid-promotion for the next hipster pop-hype, lots of bad news of lots of unanswered cop raids and mass arrests - all those people getting in trouble for the cause:
    it was their home, it was their community... - kinda missunderstanding, the hypothetical thing about pulling the cops over by giving the collaborator - eh, aunt sally:
    how about switching at least to the salt march tactic and get brained martyrs to keep the movement growing?
    you don't know what i talk about eh, ask wikipedia, its a bit more content than the headlines on fakebooks, but i guess as usual you will not get it and just cut and paste the next parade of your foxtelly-education, spiced with your immense knowledge about protestesters, spikey punks and anarchism - the ideology:
    oh no not that beardy saint tolstoy this time...
    while my favorite extremists keep rattling your chain and rofl like hell, i think it's about time to make up at least for the abysmal lack of your niveau:
    WHY DOES AUNT SALLY HATES ANARCHISTS, PUNKS AND INNOCENT PIGS?
    wikipedia gives the answer::
    see lousy windbag, you are innocent too, quite as the poor pigs you abused as the true product of your system, aunt sally: just another victim of the slaughtermachine and this evil banking business too - brained/maced into collaboration.
    tell me, the secret agent of the front lines:
    will you even enjoy it if the time comes to face the consequence of your sup'iority to Worzel?
    because the cops still don't gettit, this non-aggression... jerks just like you!

    ah na, you just spend your time completing your collection of clichés and media hypes, spinn a little yarn about the living of a community organizing anarchist refusing the "incredibly cliche "smash the state" meaningless bullshit".
    do you hope some youngster jesses, scared by your hypothetical mace-experience (domestic accident?) will buy it?
    it's all about a little attention eh?
    maybe you should try socialistalternative-online, they like collaborators who sell out people and i'm sure, out of years of community activism, they'll give you even a member card too!
     
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    I really like this one:
    Yours is my favorite good witch of the @pplez! And yours is a punk rocker too and sumpfings at the frontlines... whatts was it?
     
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    next off-set for the posers epic fail:
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