Whether or not i can convince anyone, i was going to end it soon either way I've placed my cards on the table and that's where i stand so yet again ill agree to disagree But, is there anything we can do through the internet to combat these fascist groups? A while back we talked about community projects, but as of yet i've seen none but a few personal ones.
find people on this site who live in your area and go through there. maybe we can concoct some viruses we can email to nazis and fuck their computers up
Without causing too much of a stir, fascists and racists are still people and like all people can be convinced that their views are bullshit by arguing a case in point. The argument that race doesn't exist is the perfect starting point because it doesn't give them justification for their views, so to me its just as important as physically confronting them if they choose to act violently. I have no tolerance for racism, but in Australia, its much more institutionalised than it is organised and challenging such beliefs with science, intellect and wit is more effective than a punch in the face will ever be.
Whilst your definition of 'ethnic background' may be spot on, your assertion that it influences black South Africans' (i limit myself to black ppl, as you imply it by only posing the comparison to African Americans) high risk of HIV to be problematic. My questions above were somewhat rhetorical, ie I'd argue that multiple political, social and economic factors lead to this prevalence of HIV, rather than picking out one of these factors (ethnicity) as the sole culprit. Perhaps some hypothetical examples may best outline my position. 1. Not all black South Africans live in South Africa, people migrate, whatever. Point is that they do not lose this ethnic identity, yet should they move to a place with a lower rate of HIV, their risk of contracting the virus would similarly decrease. 2. Class. Rich bastards, black or white, have lower rates of HIV and better treatment available should they contradict it. Whilst the black population in South Africa are mostly (in Marxist jargon) proletariat or lumpenproletariat, with the white population making up most of the bourgeoisie, it does not follow that those people of colour who have now joined the bourgeois class have suddenly lost their ethnicity. But it does mean this new elite are at a much less risk of contradicting HIV. This is why I believe it would be better to characterise this statistic as resulting from multiple socio-economic and political factors. This may appear to be a matter of semantics, but I make the point because of the level of racist rhetoric I hear with regularity within Australia. For example, we have a current bombardment of media coverage on 'violent Sudanese gangs', the 'expectional violence' of these 'gangs' is usually ascribed to their 'culture', ie ethnicity. 'They come from a violent culture and bring that violence with them' etc. It would be stating the obvious to note that the violence these people have fled were political and economic (struggles for resources and power, etc) in nature, rather than cultural. I feel you were arguing against stoopid notions such as 'race', yet I feel your argument did not move far enough away. Ethnicity, and its role in HIV prevalence, can not be examined in isolation from class, sexuality or gender analyses.
The Ku Klux Cahill: General’s niece is Nazi activist preparing for ‘racial war’ THESE SHOCKING pictures show the niece of Martin Cahill, The General, training for what she calls ‘racial holy war’. Vicky Cahill (37) grew up in the North inner city as part of the notorious Cahill crime family but has made a name for herself as one of the leading lights in the international ‘white power’ movement. Operating from the US Cahill has spent the last six years raising money for jailed right wing terorrists and promoting her extreme racist views. However, a Sunday World investigation this week shut down her group’s account, which is now under investigation by authorities. Vicky Cahill, whose father was heroin dealer Peter Cahill, is the leader of the extremist Women for Aryan Unity group and plays a pivotal role in fundraising for neo-nazi prisoners. Living in exhile in Denver, Colorado, Cahill has quickly become a central figure in the American extreme right helping to recruit impressionable young women. The self-styled ‘white racialist’ has become obsessed with a group of prisoners from the terrorist group, Aryan Resistance Movement, and spends her time securing funding and finding female penpals for them. The group were involved in a number of bank robberies across the States in the 80s and 90s as well as the bombing of a theatre and synagogue. Over 75 members of the organisation have been jailed for activities including armoured car robberies, murder and counterfeiting. Cahill’s prize possession is a share of the ashes of the group’s leader David Lane, a former KKK member, who died in 2007 while serving a 190 year sentence for his role in the murder of a Jewish radio host. Cahill, whose own family served prison sentences for similar crimes here in Ireland, is the central figure in this support network for the prisoners. Using right wing magazines, websites and internet forums she regularly appeals for fellow Nazis to sign up to donate $25 a month to her illegal ‘charity’ group. She boasts of receiving donations from across the world for her sick nazi support project which is not registered as an official charity. When contacted by a Sunday World reporter posing as a supporter Cahill explained that to avoid suspicion money transfers should be marked as ‘home schooling’. Her online account operated by the website Paypal was shut down this week following a tip-off from the Sunday World to its owners, who were appalled by Cahill’s abuse of their service. A spokesman explained that Cahill’s activities broke several of the e-commerce site’s rules and would be closed immediately, losing her thousands of dollars in donations. Now Cahill’s hate group will be left struggling to find funds for their prison propaganda work. Cahill was a known far-right agitator as a youth around Dublin and quickly built up links with British groups like Blood and Honour and Combat18, whose hatred for the IRA appealed to her. She has repeatedly called for Irish Americans to stop funding republicans declaring “my uncle was murdered by the IRA”. “I’m proud to be an Irish woman who is fighting for her race and nation, not sitting on the ignorant and very foolish IRA soap box.” “I’m too busy fighting alongside my comrades in Belfast and the UK.” Vicky’s father Peter was Martin Cahill’s brother and criminal associate. He was notorious for his vicious criminal past as well as his stupidity – having fallen off off his getaway motorbike during an armed raid outside a Garda station. While Vicky’s father and uncles were absent for much of her childhood, building their criminal empire and spending time in and out of prison, she developed bonds with nazi prisoners and began to idolise them. She proudly boasts of being groomed by the far right from an early age and has been writing to neo-nazi prisoners since her teens. “I have grown up and became an adult with at least a handful of these men and women, I still have three prisoners that I have been writing to for 18 years,” Cahill claims. “They have been my teachers, guide, confidant and more importantly friend. Without them in my life I would not have aspired to seek the truth.” The so-called ‘truth’ Cahill preaches is that white people must arm themselves and prepare for a civil war to create a racially pure white nation. Pictures uncovered by this paper show her learning to shoot rifles and handguns alongside members of ‘Blood and Honour’ at a training camp. Cahill’s biggest influence is former KKK member David Lane, a leading right wing criminal who passed away in a US prison in 2007. Lane carried huge influence within US far right movements for his hardline politics and violent reputation as leader of the Aryan Resistance Movement. Cahill became obsessed with him in the years leading up to his death and chillingly wrote after his death “I don’t know if I’ll ever get over you leaving us so soon. I’m grateful for the times we spoke, when you made me laugh and blush.” Shortly after his death Cahill became embroiled in a ghoulish row over the fascist’s corpse, which she claimed belonged to her organisation. She planned to create a fund to have his ashes stored in a bizarre nazi memorial pyramid but was unable to raise enough money. Instead she decided to share his ashes among her female supporters to be kept in their homes, a move which disturbed even hardline nazi thugs. Last year a portion of the ashes were stolen by Australian members of Combat18 leading to Cahill issuing online threats demanding the remains be returned. Cahill has confessed that she longs to return to Ireland in recent online postings, “I love My Homeland Ireland and right now I wish I could sit in her fields and feel her warmth”. However she describes Irish Catholics as “brain dead retards with no mind of their own” adding that “if there is a hell I hope they all enjoy it”. Her contempt is inspired by her new religious views, describing herself as a ‘Celtic Pagan Witch’ and expressing hatred for anyone with Christian beliefs. Cahill is also a regular poster to the notorious neo-nazi web forum Stormfront, where she has over 11,028 posts promoting her confused world view. Her family background has even disturbed other far right posters, who take a hard line on criminality and drug dealing advocating public execution. Cahill takes pride in her background and is never shy about declaring that she is the niece of a man few Dubliners will miss.
Adolf Hitler DNA Samples Suggest Jewish, African Roots Posted August 25, 2010 12:23 PM Adolf Hitler DNA samples suggest that the dictator of Nazi Germany had both Jewish and African roots. The tests were conducted by Jean-Paul Mulders, a Belgian journalist, and Marc Vermeeren, a historian, Telegraph reported. The pair tracked down 39 of Hitler’s living relatives throughout Europe and America to obtain saliva samples which ultimately suggest African and Jewish ancestry. Based on reports by NewYorkDailyNews.com, the Haplopgroup E1b1b (Y-DNA) chromosome found in the samples is rarely found in Western Europeans. Instead, “it is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews,” Vermeeren said in Knack, the Belgium magazine in which the findings were published. Hitler’s ancestry has been questioned before as historians suggested he is of Jewish ancestry, but this time there is scientific evidence to back up the claim, and to add to it. Read more: http://www.thirdage.com/news/adolf-hitl ... z0xdt97heX
i'd be curious to hear more details about these research.... hitler didn't have any kids, and all his sisters and brothers died at young age except for her sister.... And hitler's body is missing, they never found it... The soviets found a body, they thought it was hitler so they separated it in multiple pieces and never said where they put the rest of his body to avoid that the place where his body rest become a cult place for neo-nazi nostalgics.... And then after they realised they were not sure if it was really hitler's body... Anyway, hitler lived with jews during his artist career, there is a movie about this period of his life... i forgot the name of the movie.. Wouldn't be surprising if some of his ancester were jews or africans, this is almost impossible to have 100% pure race origins...
Race denial doesn't make much sense to me. I understand that there is a spectrum of human differences and that racial lines are drawn by people but it is still helpful when trying to describe someone. Race is about differences and there is no way to deny the existence of human variation and diversity.
yes, diversity is wonderful, and thats why its stoopid to attribute social characteristics to ppl due to something as arbitrary as skin pigmentation.
