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When will people realize enough is enough.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JoeyV, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. vAsSiLy77

    vAsSiLy77Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    i guess you're right, but after reading the topic i feel i :beers: just have to give it a really serious try... :beers: :beers:
     
  2. KAAOS-82

    KAAOS-82Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Bring on the nuclear holocaust
     
  3. JoeyV

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    Humans need to be wiped clean off this earth
     
  4. NumberLast

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    I've been helping to start an anarcho-punk scene in town but few are as serious as me. I've been researching food not bombs with the hope of enstating a local branch and I''m working on anarchist fliers to pass around my school.
     
  5. punkmar77

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    Even if you only cook one pot of beans or potato's, and feed only one person that is poor or homeless then you started something and it will grow slowly but steadily. Be persistent and determined and keep going...
     
  6. Random Person From There

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    Local activism is best made through persistence and determination as Mar said. Fliers with attractive text such as the one on http://www.radical.org.uk/anarchism serve to attract the reader and obliges him to say "Oh... Ah... Wow, how come I never knew that before?". Fliers is the way to go.

    After that comes tagging (spray painting) Anarchist websites with the core information directly on the front page such as http://www.anarchism.ws since people are too lazy to look through each page, they'd prefer having something more accessible and easy to read.

    Slogans, logos, and band names or signs are shit. The person seeing those tags would be indifferent since he would not understand what they stand for, what they mean, and what they even are. You need something more direct. Spray painting "Fight War, Not Wars" or a Crass logo changes nothing. You need to present information, facts, and rhetoric rather than ambiguous and incomprehensible slogans.

    Feeding the poor is what I love doing even though it does not spread the Anarchist message. I just feel sympathy and pity them.

    A nuclear destruction of the world would not be a viable alternative since we want to end suffering, not end lives.

    Propaganda by the deed is proving to be of no effect when the media portrays Anarchism as terrorists without even giving any backing ideology behind the actual attacks. Take the mail bombing in Greece and Rome for example, they completely missed the point and labeled Anarchists as terrorists. The only case where Propaganda by the Deed could prove to be somewhat effective would be... Hm... Can't think of anything worth doing without attracting negative media attention. You cannot do anything violent when the media is not on your side, not to mention that such activities can lead to innocent workers being wounded resulting in more hardship for the toiling worker. Propaganda by the deed is not the way to go.

    http://www.mail.com/int/news/europe/925 ... age-hero-1

    This also: Anarchy.net

    That part is what attracted me to Anarchism, the sense that we have been lied to all along.
     
  7. Anxiety69

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    God i hate when people say bullshit like this. Like killing everyone is the only way that peace can be achieved. total cop out attitude.
     
  8. christalestrella

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    Man! I so fucking agree! Everytime I tell people about anarchism, there eyes light up with these sterotypes they are ready to throw at me. I hate that fucking bullshit people say about, "oh we need government, because if we don't human nature comes in and we are inherently evil." If animals can fucking govern themselves, then so can we. I think we are kind beings, we still have the last sparks of humanity in us, we at least care about the dire situation in which we are in. I'm sure if we saw someone on the floor, we'd fucking help them up.
    Let's take advantage of the hell we are in and show people the reality and things that can be done. Nothing comes easy, but educating the public will really help.
     
  9. JoeyV

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    well you tell me when are kind has Not tried to control another. Are Kind is a disease of this earth.
    Don't be such a cunt about it, who the fuck said killing everyone is the only way to get peace? get your fucking head out of your ass. If you believe In peace and unity, why are you trying to divide people by trolling on this forum.
     
  10. JoeyV

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    Your from America right. Ok well Thinking like this is not going to cut it anymore. It is a good attitude to have but it just will not cut it. Don't You think people have been doing "small" things? Doing "small" things is what got us here in the first place. People need to take action. I know it is hard for people to understand that live in America [since NOBODY ever stand up for themselves] But its something that needs to be done. If you are doing "small" things How long do you think it will take to change the way we live today.We don't have time for that anymore.You of all people on this site should understand this since you live in America. People from other country's may not understand, but these are desperate times my friend. And like I said at first, the time to fight back is now or never. And by reading this forum, I really think its going to be never. However I wont stop spreading the message, even when all our hopes our gone we will still spread this message.
     
  11. KAAOS-82

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    Wahhh... because spray painting, intellectual circle jerks, workers uprisings and lack of government have worked real well so far?
     
  12. Anxiety69

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    Oh yeah i'm sure you are an asset to the scene, with your spiked leather jacket and name Kaos.
     
  13. punkmar77

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    And why are you using sexist words to enforce your argument? That's definitely not the way Joey. If you are hell bent on being a defeatist then please take it elsewhere, we don't need that attitude here. I suggest you read the "Who We Are" text again, and re-evaluate if you really want to be a part of this forum.

    And what exactly are you offering as a solution Kaaos, other than bourgeoisie sex, drugs and rock n roll ?
     
  14. vAsSiLy77

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    easy answer, favorite rock star: NEXT TIME!
     
  15. JoeyV

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    :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: YES SIR!
     
  16. punkmar77

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    Oh you find it funny to use the word cunt, and what that makes you so punx right, fuck you and your yes sir chump...
     
  17. KAAOS-82

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    Well someone needs to put on the shows around here, and provide the entertainment. Make no mistake I've had my fair share of dealing with anarchist collectives and University ramblings, it went know wear. try and start a union in a exploitative workplace and you get sold out by your fellow workers then lose your job. been there and done that.

    I don't pretend to have the answers, but I do my part none the less (anarchist sound collective). and as far as sex drugs and rock n roll is concerned I thought monogamy, straight edge and classical music was bourgeois?

    Finally someone actually gives me an answer on this forum rather than try and throw insults! I hope your right :)
     
  18. Random Person From There

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    Nuking and exterminating the human race is not a solution, not only will it not help any Anarchist objective but also annihilate all life on Earth. What are you trying to achieve with that? Total peace? What's the point of peace when there's no one to experience it. Perhaps you're trying to exterminate the faulty human race? Let's take this case, if you have a son who has been a bit "wrong" or with severe flaws (be it racist, sexist, suicidal, or handicapped) would you kill him with your bare hands or would you seek an actual alternative that will either temporarily or permanently help him? That's what we are trying to do, to seek an alternative to this system not exterminate the human race because their minds have been altered to think of competitiveness and egoism instead of mutual aid and trying to attain a common goal.
     
  19. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    Anxiety69 wrote:
    This thread was going great until this was said. Its ok to disagree with someones anti-human approach (which is basically the philosophy of green anarchy (not so much a cop out attitude) to life, but to say you "hate" people that think like this was going to only insinuate insults which followed.

    Now, i know not every green anarchist is like this, but still.

    I happen to agree with wiping humans of this earth. To me, first off, its hypocritical for someone who thinks that organizing enough people in the world to bring anarchism to America, or to the world, says its stupid to "get rid of the human race". Because none of the solutions listed here will work within our lifetime (except for human extinction, which is fine by me).

    Now because i feel this way about humans does not mean i don't do anything, because ill tell you ive done more shit than most of you here (i'm not trying to brag, i am illustrating a point).

    By the way, does anyone here know how to live "off the land"? Honestly? I find it way more punk and "anarchist" if someone actual knew how to survive outside of human contact, or at least a city. You know, growing your own food, building your own shelter, making your own shit etc. etc. Those skills are more helpful in getting shit done or doing shit to change society than throwing money at something like feeding the poor or helping an old lady across the street (not that you shouldn't do those things anyways) If you were to organize communes and shit, get a bunch of people together to form their own community is much much more "doing shit" than getting drunk, or writing lyrics about "change". Hell, half the people posting here still live with parents, or some type of guardian and are still in high school.

    Your argument against human extinction fails when you said "whats the point of peace when there's no one to experience it". To think that there has been any type of "peace" on earth with humans is wrong. There hasn't been peace, and in order to attain true peace, yea you either A. need no people in general or B. a very few select number of people (if that). Humans aren't brainwashed to hate each other (not being peaceful), its human nature. Also being "peaceful" to bring on anarchy wont work as well. You cant sit there and tell me you don't "hate" anything.

    And your example about your kid? I would just like to say, in order to attain goals like anarchism and such, sacrifices are going to HAVE to be made (not saying beating your kid to death is one of em).

    You can think what you want, but like i said before, get off your high horse, because thoughts of human extinction are no less radical, or in anxiety's words a "cop-out" as thoughts of no-government (without violence) "world peace" and the ending of world hunger, (with humans on earth too).

    Seriously? You spelled the word nowhere "know wear"?? Its hard to take someone seriously if they completely mis-spell easy words like this. (im not trying to be a grammar nazis, but this just made me laugh).

    You wouldnt be insulted if A. you didnt throw insults first B. If someone threw an insult at you, you dont respond with a "your a piece of dumb shit asshole fuck". C. If you actually said anything worthwhile.

    Kaos, i know you didnt start the thrash talk in this room, but you certainly (and this goes for others) did not try to get back to the point at hand, only continuing with insults amongst some type of logic.

    It seems that this is just Another thread reduced to fighting and name-calling because of different ideals and ideas. And you wonder why some people just want the human race to be extinct.
     
  20. (A)noise

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    Fuck you and your punk ideals, and No "chump" Fuck you.
     
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