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What are the views on Anarcho-Capitalism in this community?

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  1. butcher

    butcherExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Re: Argueing with Libertarians

    As has been noted, 'Libertarian' denoting free-marketeers, 'anarcho'-Capitalists, etc, is kinda a US phenomenon, and to avoid confusing I'll refer to them as 'free market fuckwits' from here on.

    I'm not entirely sure that free market fuckwits are a big issue at all, maybe the Tea Party are a bit of a problem (and that this 'Libertarian' movement's internal logic is practically fascist) but whatever, the degree to which gun-toting inbred texans are worse than 'Indigenous-loving', '21st Century Socialising' arseholes is debatable. 'anarcho'-Capitalists are largely an internet phenomenon, they are annoying, they do sometimes attempt to co-opt anarchist sites, but really, its just a matter of telling them to fuck off.

    As is noted by Ungov, the anarchist faq has a section devoted entirely to debunking the free market fuckwits' bullshit:
    http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secFcon.html
    Moreover, the free market fuckwits' <3 for Milton Friedman practically destroys their own arguments anywayz, the best expression of an application of his economic model being Pinochet's Chile (Friedman and his cronies understood such a model of governance being the best for implementing 'free markets', even if the younger free market fuckwits don't), which, even with the endemic State violence, 'disappearances' and repression, was still politically unsustainable, with large non-compliant sections of society (mind the Chilean State post-Pinochet is kinda still pursuing this economic model, with education currently being the most visible example).

    Inre:
    This bit:
    is actually correct, but obviously the rest doesn't follow...
    the rest relies on an ahistoric conception of our society, whereby the Capitalist market isn't a historical construction, but rather is in some way a reflection of human nature. Basic history or anthropology destroys that sorta bullshit. Also (I think I'm parroting a Situationist argument here), the ideas of the ruling class of a given time are also the ruling ideas of that time, and that those ideas are essentialised, i.e. what is now has always been and will always be. Similarly, some medieval kings thought they ruled because of Divine Right, the poor were thus due to God's will, etc, etc; their rule was as natural to them as gravity.

    The Capitalist marketplace is no more natural than God's will, neither is greed, nor selfishness. I'm tired, moar later maybe. :ecouteurs:
     
  2. Bentheanarchist

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    Anarchists are Libertarians. Most of the Libertarian left are inspired by Anarchists. The Tea Party are not Libertarians. They are Republican Neo-Nazis. Ron Paul is not a Libertarian he is an Anarcho-Capitalist (Free Market Capitalist). Capitalists and Libertarians are two seperate idealogies. Libertarian is a Left-wing idealogy. There is no such thing as a Right-wing Libertarian because those who call themselves Right-wing Libertarians are actually Republicans. Anarcho-Capitalists are idiots because Capitalist Anarchy is a oxymoron anyway. There is an example of Anarcho-Capitalism, and that is Somalia. Capitalism is what Anarchists are against. Anarcho-Capitalists do not make any sense at all. Milton Friedman used Wage Slavery and The C.I.A. in his economy, and the 'Free Market' is not really free it is only free to The United States of America, and thats why we have Terrorism because The United States arms and The United States sell weapons to Al Quada and other Terrorist Organizations. All Milton Friedman did was trash other countries with the CIA to impose dictatorships in other countries which were based on his economic system, and lower workers rights and wages.
    De-Regulating Markets through the so called 'Free Market' is the cause of Terrorism and Organized Crime. Free Market Capitalism is just a way to make money while the workers and farmers suffer because of Wage Slavery.
     
  3. nike

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    my personal favorite from fuckwit milton:
    got it, yer bleeding <3 ?! :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs:
     
  4. skulldrix

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    So called free market capitalist I've encountered and argued with are all upper middle class and living with their parents. I'm not even lying. All they do s straw man.
     
  5. Nechesh666

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    One self proclaimed "anarcho"-capitalist once argued to me that "Anarcho-Capitalism is the only voluntary form Anarchism all the other forms just impose a new social heirarchy to replace the old," because it is the only system that allows full-fledged economic freedom which, somehow, equates to freedom of all forms. He also denied the fact that anarchism is its own political philosophy with commonly shared values, and would refer to the dictionary definition of anarchism to assert his claim that "Anarchism means a stateless society that's it." I've noticed this view has been gaining in popularity amongst many Americans and I feel that its very dangerous to the movement because they are spreading lies claiming to be the true anarchists.
     
  6. Bentheanarchist

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    Free market mutualism

    I am having an argument on facebook with one of my collective members. I am arguing about wether anarcho-communism is anarchism. He is a free market mutualist.
     
  7. butcher

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  8. Bentheanarchist

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    Re: Free market mutualism

    exactly, what i told him.
    You have to have police to maintain private property.

    He is an individualist anarchist libertarian. he advocates workers cooperatives and mutual aid but then he advocates the free market. He is one of those panarchist "Free Market anti capitalist free market" anarchists. an example of a theorist would be Kevin Carson who I believe is not an anarchist but a libertarian.

    He believes in Benjamin Tucker which goes to show why is so anti-communist.

    Screw Free Market!
    Long live Social-anarchism!
     
  9. Bentheanarchist

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    He is argueing that Proudhon believed in property rights.
     
  10. hailfastcore

    hailfastcoreActive Member Forum Member


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    My opinion of anarcho capitalism?
    No.
     
  11. exploited casualty

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    ^ that

    it makes no sense, anarchism is against capitalism! so to put them together just is stupid...
     
  12. Bentheanarchist

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    Americans seem to be confused on what anarchism is. Fuck american individual proto ancap bullshit!
     
  13. punkmar77

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    Not just Americans, but yeah it seams to be a lot worse in the US....fuck 'em ;)
     
  14. logical.lunatic

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    they're nihilists. they want everyone out of the way because they don't believe in anything. just money, which is an empty envelope: nothingness, with green skin.
    corporations and the military run all over us today, shit on our future, subjugate the present: anarcho capitalists (basically extreme tea-party republicans) would have corporations and their private armies running all over us tomorrow.
     
  15. Bentheanarchist

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    There was an ancap on here some time ago. Voluntaryistpunk who spouted capitalist bullshit which is not really anarchism but a form of capitalism started by ayn rand who sucks.
     
  16. butcher

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    Certainly yr conclusions of what an 'anarcho'-capitalist society would actually look like are accurate, but i tend not to think of them as nihilists; they certainly believe in some form of moral order, but one regulated by inanimate objects given human qualities, 'the market', i.e commodity fetishism 101.

    I mean having imaginary friends (religion) ain't consider 'nihilistic', so neither should this kind of nonsense.
     
  17. Bentheanarchist

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    I think I might leave that collective.
     
  18. butcher

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    I certainly don't see the point of maintain the charade of 'shared goals' when they actually aren't shared. But whatever,

    [anarchists] don't even know what value is

    For a reference to our proper ignorance refer: http://libcom.org/library/1-capitalism-communism
     
  19. punkmar77

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    :lmao: No we know what true value is, freedom, independence and mutualism....much more than capital and consumerism, those fucks do know value but it is severely misplaced...
     
  20. butcher

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    indeed, but it is essential that we know not what value is.
    It really cannot be stressed enough. Certainly not mutualism, but nevertheless, 'those fucks' understand completely their embodiment of capital, but the idea is to produce a society where there is not exchange, no value, nothing, just the combined resources of what we produce (which is of course reliant on what we need to produce) informs our patterns of consumption (well it always does, but to be clear.).
     
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