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What are the "Rules" of Anarchism?

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Anxiety69, Oct 30, 2009.

  1. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    Hahahaha dude, just read anything about anarchism, go on anarchopedia or something.... Please inform yourself before critizing anything.... Or just don't reply if you don't know what to say, at least bring some arguments.
     
  2. Anxiety69

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    I have already provided my argument, that you seem to think your opinions speak for all anarchists, and those who don't agree are wrong. Case Closed. there seems to be no middle ground with you, only black and white. This is what I see as one of the biggest problems in the scene (what is this? me getting back on topic of the title of this discussion?)

    We all have some common ground I believe or we would not be posting on this site. Yet The absolute statements that get made really annoy me. (Not just you, btw, so please don't think i'm fingering you). We do have to agree on everything. But there are those who continue to turn their noses up at those who are not identically-minded (vegans vs. vegetarians vs. meat eaters is a great example.) The bigger issue is the question of anarchism, unity, and equality. Freedom of choice, speech, etc.

    when we start getting holier then thou, we start to turn off others to our causes. Imagine an outsider with questions about anarchism, looking over this sight, seeing the constant petty squabbles, and then losing interest. That should be more of a concern then differences in religious thoughts, opinions, etc.

    I have told you my thoughts on how you say things like All anarchists are this way, that way, etc. Apparently you still seem to think you speak for everyone.
    I may not provide arguments when I've complained, but that is not because i disagree with your facts, but in the way you present them as. You come off as authoritative... and authority is not what this movement is about. Offering guidance is great. stating your thought and opinions is great. but acting like you are THE VOICE... not so much.

    -the anxietist
     
  3. Link K2B

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    I'm not denying social classes exist but they are a complex thing, especially within the UK you will understand. They are about more than how much money you earn. People have a lot of prejudice based on class, I do not want to be one of them and will not fight a war of classes that pigeonholes myself into one class and pits me against any other deemed to belong to a different class. I think that's horrible, it's that sort of thinking I want to destroy.

    In short, if you want to destroy social class beyond how much money people earn, you've got to destroy the concept of social class altogether. Pushing a revolution based on social class alienates a lot of people, I can't see any positives in doing things this way. Unite people of different social classes, bring them together against the ruling class.
     
  4. cupcaked

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    No rules of anarchism, just to shoot Obama. :beers:


    ____I actually like, I think a lot of "anarchists' have their own kina individualistic idea of what Anarchy would be.
    I personally, associate myself closely with primitive/green anarchism and naturalism. I mean, whatever, anarchism is only for dreamers cos i doubt it will ever happen. unless the whole lot of us get together. But eh, I think there are wayyy to many human being parasitical cunts around to let anything remotely positive happen in politics. if there was ever a chance, the population is so fucked up that it'd result in something no anarchist would like.
     
  5. Anxiety69

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    Well, with an attitude like that it for sure won't :(

    That's why we must overthrow them. I am beyond thinking voting will ever accomplish anything with the way things are. The lesser evil is still evil, and honestly, whats the difference between a republicrat and a democan? They are both fascists who only care about their own needs before the needs of others. While I do believe in peace, I think it is going to take violence to change things, unfortunately. But I am willing to give my life for such a change if it came down to it. I am more concerned with the future we are preparing for our ascendants then my own future.

    -the anxietist
     
  6. Rathryn

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    I wondered something since last page and I find it interesting that I'm the first to reply on it... but hell
    So we have here a word used repeatedly in most of the post in this topic, along with numerous other words which seem to differ at least marginally per user (social class, poor, rich, etc) - which in and of itself isn't surprising, but to get back on topic - this word is used repeatedly while it is also given as a fact that the actual definition of the word is unclear in this setting. Or am I just reading things into words that weren't meant that way?
    And as stated before I don't know a hell of a lot about anarchism, but I just can't get my head around a class war. It seems contradictory to pit us all against each other based on some arbitrary set of conditions decided upon by a group that wants to get rid of authority...
     
  7. rebel

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    the rules of anarchism will be created by concretely anarchist community in some region. different communities will have different rules.
    but already today, there are some BASIC rules which are characteristic for anarchism and which anarchism make different than other ways of organizing of society.

    1)stateless society
    2)abolishing of economic exploitation, it means creating of economic equality. I would include also: distribution of goods equally. it means I am anarcho-communist and I would agitate in my community to be like that or I would find community who thinks like me. I would agitate in my community also for abolishing of killing and exploitation of animals. but it is longer fight even after revolution, to discuss with people to stop to eat meat. people need time to change themselves.
    3)abolishing of authority of man by man. no leaders. I would include also: abolishing of all types of hierarchy (among generations, among parents and children, among men and women, etc).

    all the rest are affinities of concretely community (freelove or not, the way of distribution of goods, the way of care about children, will they exploit animals, etc). but basic rules of anarchism are that there is no state, no economic exploitation, no authority and no hierarchy.
     
  8. Rathryn

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    What would you do with a student/teacher relationship then? Treat them as equals?

    I just noticed all I've been doing is reacting to other people's posts, so I'll answer the question for myself now.

    1) the stateless society: not necessarily an abolishment of ALL authority, but a change to an authority by consensus or by major majority of all involved.
    2) free association: it is, for me, unthinkable to abolish ALL forms of authority. Parents and teachers will always teach their younger and thus have a certain amount of authority over them. Someone will have to get rid of murderers, child molesters and rapists. What is more important to me is that there is a freedom of association. If you want to be associated with a different group, then simply go (with the exception of convicted criminals of course).
    3) freedom of information: anarchism for me is based on free and critical thinking, for this people need information and thus it should be available to them.

    This is of course on top of fundamental human rights ;)
     
  9. ASA

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    As far as i am aware: it started with individualists or wat u may also know as 'artists' these days, generally who much like postmodern uni existentiolist students were full of shit but it is understandable under such oppression at the time.

    I think it should be anti stateist and non bigoted, sometimes i feel some don't focus enuff on even the basics but as it is not just for individals as such, it does not matter.

    if only i go vegan, if only i save a tree, focus fuckhead you've been coopted seemingly and why do you want to scare the people you purport to help, sometimes you can't help scare people who have been raised on bias but people ain't stupid they been stupified and miracles don't exist.

    i believe the people and being clever will get us where we want to go, ala a stupid system creates alotttt of zombies so even the seemingly most enlightened may have to be pushed aside metaphorically speaking to get things done under mandate, if you are good at what you do and you should know it and be committed to step up or aside etc to stop tyranny and yes i understand human nature, as it needs to be it's own actvism ala pragmatic at times and also remember not to scare the fuck outta people but stay staunch and fight ya battles and ir to be human, don't just do it for kicks but if ya not getting some kick ya probabaly not on the right path and what are you fighting for, remember utopia doesn't exist neiver, hippy aha, i shud know i ain't dreamin of the quiet life but doesn't mean i don't need some peace, REALITY is my drug and if your in the way then i'll just have to DIY, r ya comin or wat, time is muny, UNITY by all means necessary, be wise recognise blablabla

    sorry if i don't have all the patches, sorry if i'm too punk, sorry, focus get busy peace, follow ya heart and ya mind
     
  10. rebel

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    yes, I would do, of course. students and teachers should decide together about daily or monthly program of lectures, about time for lectures, etc. it depend how much is big audience, is it village school or big amphitheater in big university. but surely, students and teachers should be equal, because school exist because of students and not because of teachers. anarchist university is totally free in the sense of lectures, students and teachers decide together, not only about lectures then about all administrative decisions.
    of course, I speak about active people, there will be always and those who will just come to learn something and they don't care to participate in decisions.
    already many years there is summerhill school in UK where children decide how much and what they will study, but I don't like their close type of school, just I mention it like one of examples of free schools. here is from wikipedia:
     
  11. Rathryn

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    I can speak easily from my perspective, if I get to choose which classes to attend... I'll meet you all down at the pub, lol.
    I have serious doubts about that working, but I have no first-hand experience, so can't make a definitive statement.
     
  12. leftboot77

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    Well, I thought I would chip in on the actual conversation about "the Rules of Anarchism." Anarchism is not a monolithic theory. There are many beliefs and methodologies to each theory. A decent book is Anarchism: A Documentary History of Libertarian Ideas Edited by Robert Graham. There are two volumes in this project. Anarcha-feminism is under-represented but there are other books on that subject. The big rule for me in my anarchic action is to oppress no one.
    Paz,
    Aaron
     
  13. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    Anarchy is what YOU make of it ;). And killing babies
     
  14. ASA

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    Yes go back to the start, never be completely rightious as you may be wrong and go from there.
     
  15. rebel

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    today people go in school which is not created like they need, therefore they hardly wait to be free from it:)
    and today people go in school to specialize themselves in some type of job which will serve to capitalists to make profit, so many people go just to get diploma and career, they don't like program of school, they don't like job in the future, etc. but, people today just work anything to have money for themselves, who ask us what we like to work and in which way....

    in anarchism, from childhood, it is like you need, school and later you work what you like and how much. of course, I am older and I was always responsible, so I belong to the people who will work for community and I believe it is the same with majority of workers. when people are young, they will go in pub, but later it becomes boring because you did it million times. older have need to create something, not only to sit and drink.
     
  16. Rathryn

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    I combine the two... lol. Or at least try, I have a 'big-brother'-complex XD
     
  17. Robino

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    In contrast to other ideas, Marxism for example, the "workers' state", or a state which acts in the interests of workers can't exist in anarchism philosophy.
    I hold to the idea that power corrupts..

    Thats why I believe anarchism is the way to go, though i follow the anarcho-syndicalism movement cuz I think thats the best way achieve the ideal world.

    Class consciousness and solidarity<3
     
  18. miserablist

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    I was just sick a bit in my mouth. The star of David and a swastike? Fuck me you have a dazzling political analysis don't you? I'll bet you support fucking Hamas don't you?
     
  19. miserablist

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    As an anarchist I'm well into persecuting capitalists and fascists

    Toleration of oppressive ideologies in not anarchist.

    No good comes out of marginalising capitalists? Fucking revolution is the act of marginalising capitalists and fascists.

    Turning the tables is EXACTLY what anarchists seek to do. If we don't turn the tables we simply maintain the dominant order. Fucking liberal.
     
  20. miserablist

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    Um all anarchists ARE internationalists. It kinda follows from recognising the working class as an economic entity.
    anarcho-nationalists aren't anarchists they're fascists with black hoodies.
     
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