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V for Vendetta (2006)

Discussion in 'Documentaries & Movies' started by Probe, Sep 17, 2010.

  1. butcher

    butcherExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    :ecouteurs:
     
  2. killedbydeath

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    it was cool to see that many people mobilize but it could have been against something so much more important. in the grand scheme of things scientology is neither here nor there. even national socialist organizations don't pose too much of a threat in the event of a real revolution because most a large portion of the population is going to be against them by default. anyone that can think logically is also going to have major problems with their ethos.

    why focus on fighting minority organizations when the power structure in place is going to require everything we have and more?
     
  3. raindeer667

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    anyways.
     
  4. ungovernable

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    Scientology destroy lives and families, it is an important fight but not the most important one.

    History proves you wrong.
     
  5. vAsSiLy77

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    everydays life too - our area is populated mostly by immigrants and minorities - first hiding away from a bunch of eastgerman skinheads that nearly ruled the street and the cops always looked the other way.
    since we get people together and make the bones life a bit more exiting than they were used to, it's nearly safe if you are running all alone into them late at night in the subway.
    they may not seem big - let's keep them small!

    scientology is under observation of the german secret service - they claim that this organisation is trying to gain undercover influence on politics and high level economy and that they are a treat to the democratic constitution. i don't mind that, but the old system is at least more or less predictable - there is no need for a bunch of ambitious weirdheads scheming whatever they do.

    and as ungov said, scientology preys on lonely and isolated individuals, isolates them further by ripping them out of families and social relations to rip the last euro from them for their brainwash "training-courses".

    fighting such "minor" treats brings people together and makes organizing easier - and maybe "the big thing" will benefit from a multitude of grassroot cells already trained well in doing something constructive.
     
  6. ungovernable

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    Same thing in france, there has been many lawsuits against them and they have lost, they are trying to gain power in politics like they are doing in USA

    Scientology is one of the worst religion, they totally brainwash their adepts, force them to stop contact with their whole family and everyone that is not a scientologue.... They even force them to take a lot of drugs, etc....

    I have a very good documentary on scientology and its influence in france, but it's only available in french.... damn :(

    Anyway yeah scientology is not a priority, but by fighting it we prevent it from becomming a priority. The anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian struggle must be on all front and all sides, so i do support anonymous and other groups fighting scientology by radical ways.
     
  7. killedbydeath

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    the world we are in today is not 1930s Germany.
     
  8. punkmar77

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    Oh I'm sorry...fuck it then, everything is peachy keen. Lets just pretend that people aren't murdered around the world in the name of white supremacy anymore, and that all those nasty nazi's have all come to realize the error of their ways. No yeah, thank you for that inspired bit of ultra-logic kbd, fuck what was I thinking? Boy do I feel silly.... :ecouteurs:
     
  9. killedbydeath

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    white supremacy sucks, that was never debated. however it is not, by a long shot, what causes even a small fraction of the inequality, death, poverty and suffering throughout the world today.
     
  10. vAsSiLy77

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    March 20, 1928: NSDAP gains 2.6% of the vote in Reichstag elections.

    Sep 15 1930 - In a milestone election, Nazis gain 6 million votes in national polling to emerge as the second largest party in Germany.

    Jul 31, 1932 Reichstag elections: Nazi party becomes the largest party.
    Nov 6, 1932 Reichstag elections: Nazi party loses votes
    Nov 17, 1932 Franz von Papen leaves office
    Dec 3, 1932 Reichswehr General Kurt von Schleicher cabinet
    Jan 28, 1933 Schleicher leaves office
    Jan 30, 1933 President Hindenburg appoints Hitler chancellor of a Nazi-DNVP coalition

    Feb 28, 1933 Law for the Protection of People and State ("Reichstag Fire Decree"): civil liberties suspended. Gleichschaltung ("coordination"), the process of exerting totalitarian control over Germany, begins. Over the next five months, the Nazis systematically force all opposition political parties to shut down.

    Mar 5, 1933 General Elections result in slim majority of Hitler's coalition, though not a majority for the Nazi Party.

    Mar 23, 1933 Enabling Act, passed with help of Catholic Center Party, effectively hands the legislative powers of the Reichstag over to the Chancellor. Act permits Chancellor and cabinet to issue laws without a vote of Parliament and to deviate from the Constitution.

    just five years and three days...

    with more details about the part of the established system:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_timeline_of_Nazism
     
  11. ungovernable

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    The circumstances that conducted the german people to be manipulated by hitler's national socialism are the same today:
    rise of communism, insecurity, economical crisis, people tired of the traditional partys, a lot of immigration, wars, religious conflicts and intolerance, etc...
    This also explain why far-right is on the rise.

    What you said isn't even an argument. What is different today ? Don't you realize that far-right partys are on the rise EVERYWHERE in the world ? Far-right just entered parliment in sweden yesterday, and this is just an example, just check out what is happenning in Belgium, australia, france, russia, etc....
    Not even talking about the large neo-nazi militias in USA and russia, the very well organized far-right in belgium, neo-nazi militia and school for children in france, etc....

    So your point is to wait until it happen to react ?

    Fascism is just a consequence of capitalism, fascism and totalitarism is the ultimate form of capitalism.... capitalism at its worst aspect
     
  12. killedbydeath

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    the uber right wing and Nazism are not the same thing, neither is fascism. They are a fascist sect of the far right wing. If you ask If I am worried about fascists and the far right and their increasing presence in mainstream politics/ society then I would say yes. If you asked if I was worried about Nazis in particular taking power anytime soon then I would reply with an emphatic No.
     
  13. killedbydeath

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    edit: i thought this board was mainly comprised of people in the US and my comments were in regards to the US. the far right has tangible ties to Nazism in parts of Europe and especially Eastern Europe. still it isn't the power structure responsible for world wide systemic oppression in place.
     
  14. vAsSiLy77

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    (sorry, i live in the ass of the beast and english is not my first language, but what is "uber right wing"?
    you mean something like "ultra-right-wing"?)

    from the strict historical or scientific point of view you are right, there are differences between nazism and fascism, and fascism and nazism had different sub-movements too - even infights between the competeting fractions resulted out of this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fa ... by_country

    today it's common parlance/a commonly used term to call this kind of totalitarian and/or racist movements fascist. their differences may be interesting if you are safe of their dangerous attention, but will loose any meaning if they come after your because of your skincolour, ethnical heritage or leftwing attitude/opinion.

    for the sect-aspect:
    the nsdap started with 64 members 1919, had 108.000 1930, at the time of the takeover 1933 (and they were not elected into power) 806.294 and counted more than 7,5 millions at the end of the war.
    pathetic start, isn't it?

    i'm not really well informed about the white supremacy movements in northamerica, but there is a topic about fascists in armani-suits, putting on a sheepskin to gain public support while using packs of boneheads and bikers for the dirty work - resembling the nazi-sa and fucking adolfs preference for high society parties?

    what could happen if such a group is cooperating with weirdheads like the leader of the California anti-immigrant ballot initiative?

    lots of money, best contacts in administration and public safety organs, industry and capital...
    and i agree with ungovernable: if capitalism gets into a crisis, it whistles for the wolves - and this happened more than one time.
     
  15. hanarcho

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    The movie's great but the Comic is much more awesome!
     
  16. SurgeryXdisaster

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    :lmao:
    I hope you all know why guy fawkes was trying to blow up parliament
     
  17. Bakica

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    Just a remainder :beer: One of the films I watch every year just for fun and to remind myself :thumbsup: Cheers !
    "Remember, remember!
    The fifth of November,
    The Gunpowder treason and plot;
    I know of no reason
    Why the Gunpowder treason
    Should ever be forgot!
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    A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
    A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
    A pint of beer to wash it down,
    And a jolly good fire to burn him."
     
  18. nclpw

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    I just watched the movie for the first time today. I gave up after two minutes and put on lock, stock & two smoking barrels just to hear a real english accent.
    I feel fucking violated.
     
  19. anessen

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    Graphic novel/comic was better.
     
  20. nclpw

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    I can imagine. I remember now I`ve tried watching it before, the movie is really bad.
     
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