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To the barricades, again.

Discussion in 'New members introductions' started by LucidStrike, Jan 23, 2010.

  1. LucidStrike

    LucidStrikeExperienced Member Experienced member


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    Solidarity.

    I'm Lucid, post-colonial anarchist communist. The world humbled me a while ago, and I haven't organized in months. It was burnout, but it wasn't like I thought it was. It wasn't that I stopped believing or caring, as I had assumed was what others who burned out had done (and did in many cases). I was just tired and felt like what I had been doing was futile and draining. I retreated to regroup and haven't spoken to my co-conspirators, even my former housemates in months, because it feels like that would make it all...real. I think I've been depressed out of my wits.

    I think Rise Against - 'Hairline Fracture' describes it well enough: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOUNx1R-6qk

    I walk on wounds
    That seldom prove to slow me down
    I laugh this constant pain away
    So you can't tell
    But there it lies under the smiles
    It drains me mile after mile
    But seldom proves to slow me down
    Here I go

    and, because it's the namesake of this post, A Silver Mt. Zion - 'The Triumph of Our Tired Eyes': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JRvTDAZ5Go

    I'm on the up and up, now. This is the first time I've communicated this to anyone. I feel much better.

    So, come on, friends. To the barricades, again. :)
     

  2. Anom

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    Hello! I know the feeling, a bit too well. Not being able to find the strength for anything. Not being able to talk to people... Hope you'll like it here and that you will soon feel better!
     
  3. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    Same here dude, from life to this board it burns me out but i dont give up.... a better song to sum up my pains has to be (again) Dystopia...

    stress builds character

    Lifes been swell now i want to die
    My body it hurts me sigh after sigh
    I call it torture you call it life
    A slave to money and everything i despise
    Like everyone in general
    Fuck eat sleep destroyi am a disposable being
    Who will fuck all life
    I multiply and the air gets thinner and dirty
    I take up space
    I smell
    I consume
    But i produce nothing
    I abuse
    I have no reason to exist
    The toilets clogged in this world of shit
    I breathe filth everyday
    Living fucks up my brian
    Why? why must i wake up today
    My eys are heavy

    (its not the whole song, but this section of lyrics pretty much does it for me)
     
  4. LucidStrike

    LucidStrikeExperienced Member Experienced member


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    Word. I need to make a song or album called 'Catharsis'.
     
  5. makhno

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    Don't let this shit get you down. It has got me down before, but I remember that this is my life, and I am going to live it in struggle, no matter what happens. It's what I want to do, and nothing can take that away from me.
     
  6. LucidStrike

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    Newly established fact: I fuckin' hate Devotchkas, and, if they hadn't already disbanded, they'd be an anti-fa target, at least for me...Racist fuckers. :@
    </rant>
     
  7. Ring Of Truth

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    Damn never knew they were racist.... oh well they were kind of a cliche band anyway, like the female version of the Casualties... boring... but nice to look at.
     
  8. LucidStrike

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    I think they're ironically popular among the anti-racist street punks and what not.

    Devotchkas - 'Hip Hop Kids':

    I hate hip hop kids, I hate their fucking noise
    I hate the hip hop girls and i hate the hip hop boys
    They want to stare you down when you're walking down the street
    They want to have a laugh because your style doesn't meet
    Hip hop music, what a laugh, god i hope that shit won't last
    Baggy clothes, fucked up limp, they think its cool to act like a pimp
    I hate hip hop girls
    I hate hip hop boys
    I hate hip hop kids
    I hate hip hop noise
    Way of life, there is no pride
    Who fuckin' cares if Tupac died
    I don't care, white or black, this song is not a racial attack
    But i will still have my say, hip hop kids: go away!
    Work a day of life, most of them have never heard of that
    Government check, parents sitting home, getting fat
    Don't give a fuck what you've got to say
    Always with an attitude, when they pass they feel you should pay

    Status they left when on their MySpace when they last signed off in 2007: "I hate Hip Hop Kids!"

    Yeah, fuck them.
     
  9. Ring Of Truth

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    I can see your point. Though not sure if it is an attack on race or more on the hip-hop scene, which I hated until recently I started listening to Public Enemy and NWA.... never realized how powerful hip hop lyrics were. Not to defend them... I kind of see the song attacking the white kids who dress with their sagging baggy pants, and talk like they're from the ghetto when they are rich kids from the Suburbs. Okay one more thing about hip-hop kids... to me the mainstream hip-hop shit that is really big seems to be sexist and perpetuate the racial stereo types of black people being uneducated.

    So I guess I can see that song go both ways.

    Either way their lyric writing sucks, it is like a middleschool kid wrote the lyrics.
     
  10. Rathryn

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    So THAT's where my notebook went when I was 15 o_O
     
  11. Shuei

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    I know a lot of good anarchistic hip hop. I like underground, political hip hop. Fuck MTV shit, and 50 cent can go die for all i care.

    But i know how you feel being burned out sometimes - i felt like that following the climate meeting.

    I can't see anything racist in that lyric from Devotchka? Only it's against hip hop, but yet again, hundreds of punk bands have made songs against mods, pop etc.

    And the only thing racist i find about them on google, is that someone calls himself "Devotchka" on "Stormfront.net", which is a white pride as far as i am concerned...
     
  12. Anom

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    Other hiphopers with powerful and anarchistic lyrics are swedish Looptroop and Promoe (Promoe is also part of Looptroop), and also the less known Henry Bowers. Most lyrics in english, a few in swedish. Totally recomend.
     
  13. divotfreely

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    i agree there are bands [that i was dis-fortunate enough to hear] that have some good things to say, but personally the musical sounds of rap/hip-hop etc...i find excruciating. :S
     
  14. LucidStrike

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    No, I'm not upset that they don't like Hip Hop. Whatevs, but, if you can't see the racism (thrown off by the denial?), your race politics are fucked.

    Here's a rant I found on MySpace about it:

    When I first heard The Devotchkas, I liked them as much as the next suburban self-proclaimed punk in a post-punk era.
    Don't know much about them, when they came about, but they're an all-female band, which I am all about and they have the tallest fucking mohawks I've ever seen on an angry white girl.

    Their song titled "Sorry" was ironically unapologetic about not "giving a damn cuz I'm proud of what I am!" which I was down with.
    Then there's "Hip Hop Kids"

    [LYRICS OMITTED]

    Are the Devotchkas white supremacists? My guess is, yes.
    Nazi punks allll the way.
    Apparently, their idea of hip hop is just as fucked up as their 'hawks.
    "Baggy clothes, fucked up limp, they think it's cool to act like a pimp"?
    Sweetie that is your white rich daddy's idea of hip hop.

    These unconscious women do nothing offer the most blatant stereotypes about black people "government check, parents sitting home, getting fat...." The makers of "Precious", Daniel Patrick Moynihan, or even the KKK couldn't have said it better.
    And just like any fucking racist, they thoughtfully include that "this song is no racial attack"

    Obviously this song comes from a place of racism and blatant ignorance.
    A great example of racism, hating, shit talking something that is strange to you, something you have no knowledge about.

    Wow Devotchkas, you are punk rockers from the late 90s.
    Angry white ladies, most likely from the suburbs, trying to play hard, calling out something you have NO clue about! Telling me "who cares if Tupac died" Tupac a revolutionary, a poet, a man who captivated the minds of young people (unlike you) and urged them to rise. How dare you?

    You call yourselves punk rockers, but your shit is far from punk rock (and I'm not only talking about the timing 1996? Bad bad timing). I'm pretty sure you are injecting ignorance and racism into those who listen/have listened to you (I'm really hoping that number is really really small).

    http://blogs.myspace.com/the_claudsmeister

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    Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

    PS Devotchka is just Russian for 'girl', so that Stormfront member could well know nothing about the band.
     
  15. Ring Of Truth

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    I can understand what you are saying... but to be honest I really don't know a lot about the band and their stances... all I know is that they look good. But from the lyrics alone other than the ignorant line about Tupac (which I really don't know much about him either, because I never much cared about hip hip music until very recently) there isn't anything that is very race specific. If they are in fact from the suburbs then the song is most likely about the white kids that listen to hip hop, that walk around wearing baggy clothes, that have really bad attitudes, never work.... etc. I am sure that most of you (if you live in the US) know what I mean.

    I'm sorry to be honest, to see the song as being about race is kind of reading too much into it, which I never cared enough about the band to do. I don't know to me it sounds more like it is about white kids than black kids.

    Also their name comes from "A Clockwork Orange" , it is the name used to refer to girls in the book, which makes sense since it seems that so many street punks are obsessed with "A Clockwork Orange"

    So if the song is about lazy suburban white kids who listen to commercial hip-hop, I don't disagree with it. If the song is in fact a racist slam then fuck the song and fuck the band. Either way I think there are some awesome political hip-hop groups, and some really kick ass people who are into the scene... but on the other hand this song does describe commercial hip-hop and the piece of shit fans it attracts.

    I don't know find me something more substancial than an opinion blog about it.
     
  16. LucidStrike

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    Yeah, the black guy is gonna go find you "something more substantial" to prove to you that something is racist. Good fuckin' grief. This is a huge part of the reason I burned out. It wasn't just frustration about banks, politicians, cops, fascists, and whatnot. It was largely about fuckin' hard-headed supposed anarchists. Supposed to be unified and we can't even fuckin' respect one another.

    I really do not need to get into arguing with a supposed anarchist about something this basic, when I'm just getting over my stupor. Go find someone else with the patience to hold your hand and walk you through it.

    Thanks for the fuckin' solidarity. The fuckin' nerve...

    I'm gonna go listen to some tracks to cool off. Here's one that every anarchist in the whole fuckin' would-be movement needs to listen to: I Don't Want Solidarity If It Means Holding Hands With You
     
  17. Rathryn

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    Damn man what's your shoe size? Seems far too easy to step on those toes.
    Anyway, I actually agree with ROT. Seems to me that there isn't much that's racially charged in the lyrics, rather a rewriting of other songs that take a piss at musical styles.
    If solidarity means always agreeing with one another without thinking for one's self I'd say you can shove your solidarity up your ass o_O
     
  18. Rabbit

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    Ok, this part seems fair enough. Tough guy attitudes, idolization of pimps, yeah I could agree with those criticisms to a point

    1. I personally don't give a rat's ass about Tupac. I respect him as a musician/writer, but his death bothers me no more or less than John Lennon or Elvis
    2. The second half of this verse is questionable. It does seem like it attacks black stereotypes, as opposed to the first verse which was more about attitudes contained within the music. The welfare reference is pretty offensive, and its out of place if this is attacking white suburban hip hop kids.
    3. All in all, it's still immature as hell

    Is this racist? Maybe. The statements they make towards the end sound a lot like racial stereotypes, and claiming not to be racist doesn't mean much (the BNP claims not to be racist). I don't think it's fair to hate the band over this, or to call them racist.

    Also, no one is disrespecting you or acting a way that I wouldn't expect from anarchists. They're looking at the same thing as you and drawing a different conclusion. Nothing wrong with that.
     
  19. LucidStrike

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    No, I don't value Tupac's life any more than anyone else's, but it was a fuckin' life, and every life has value. It just disturbed me for someone to say that just to be spiteful, especially about someone they don't seem to know shit about. Anyone who thinks Tupac had nothing important to say knows VERY little about him. I found that remark on Tupac offensive, because they chose to attack someone who actually was a political leader of sorts in the black community. Tupac was socio-political commentary I listened to when I was a child, and it meant a lotto me that I wsn't lone in thinking those things and that someone who'd come from the 'hood was speaking those truths. I identified with that. Hell, maybe if it weren't for Tupac, I wouldn't have developed the political consciousness that led me to the barricades in the first place. Anyone who thinks Tupac was nothing but a hedonistic *sshole should actually listen to a few tracks. The Devotchkas obviously didn't listen to him much, if at all. He was just another black man with an aggressive disposition and a loud mouth to them:

    The underground railroad on an uprise
    This time the truth's gettin told, heard enough lies
    I told em fight back, attack on society
    If this is violence, then violent's what I gotta be
    If you investigate you'll find out where it's comin from
    Look through our history, America's the violent one
    Unlock my brain, break the chains of your misery
    This time the payback for evil shit you did to me
    They call me militant, racist cause I will resist
    You wanna censor somethin, motherfucker censor this!
    My words are weapons, and I'm steppin to the silent
    Wakin up the masses, but you, claim that I'm violent

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM5glFBNglg

    Also, it wasn't about ROT disagreeing. The assertion that I was "reading too much into it" was disrespectful as fuck, even it wasn't intended to be. It wasn't so much the disagreement that was disrespectful but the dismissal, which is a big problem in the anarchist community.

    I knew when I posted that response to ROT that some of the language I used was out of anger, which is why I said I was going to cool off. I don't take back the just of what I said. I only wouldn't have been so hostile about it, had it not angered me so much. Indignant rage does that.

    Rathryn...You know what? Nevermind. You have a nice day. This animosity is counter-productive. I really don't think I should get into this right now. It's harshin' my proverbial high. If I butt heads too much right now, it may be even longer before I lock arms again. If there's one thing I've fully come to realize in these past months, it's that we absolutely have to work on our internal conflict resolution, if we're ever going to succeed. We've got a lifetime to sort out or differences.
     
  20. punkmar77

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    Its ok brother, brothers got to work it out..... and the song is racist even if just one line of it is, maybe the women in Devotchkas have had some unpleasant situations with hip hoppers, not an excuse for ignorance. Every single person on these forums, myself included, has at one time or another....lost it. Its going to happen because before we are Anarcho we are humans, just fundementally flawed creatures. As for Pac, regardless of his politics HE WAS the hardest working man in music, his work ethic alone puts most musicians to shame and is still an inspiration to me to get off my ass and play/produce/compose Anarcho Punk.. I mentioned this in a mixed group of punx n skins the other day and got snickers but no one spoke up, but I could see the racism boiling under their ignorant skulls
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