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Thoughts on Radical Feminism?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by NoIdols, May 26, 2020.

  1. NoIdols

    NoIdolsNew Member New Member


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    I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar with Radical Feminism or its prominent authors (Dworkin, Firestone for instance), but if that's the case I'd like to know your thoughts on them. I've been digging into their ideas as of last year and currently find myself agreeing with several of them.

    Is there a way that Radical Feminism and Anarchism could coexist should Anarchists societies around the world become a reality?
     

  2. wrathchild

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    My major problem with radical feminism is that most self identified "radical feminists" are proud TERFs and have co-opted the idea of feminism at its core and made it a little club that they think they can exclude people who they don't believe are 'real women' from. I am a feminist and while I think that the origins of radical feminism are cool as shit because feminists like Dworkin focused on the issue of violence against women (which is a huge issue still), i think the modern idea of radical feminism is hypocritical and dangerous because radical feminists today exclude and incite violence against the trans community (ESPECIALLY trans women).
     
  3. NoIdols

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    I haven't seen any radfems inciting violence against the trans community. On the contrary, I've seen physical evidence of trans people thrashing a women's shelter for not allowing transwomen in it, and as if that wasn't enough, a rape relief center in Canada was defunded for not allowing transwomen inside. I've also seen plenty of threats from transwomen and genderqueers towards radfems online.
     
  4. wrathchild

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    just the fact that rape relief centers and women's shelters exclude trans women is violence. they are withholding resources from WOMEN who have been exposed to the same traumas they have just because they refuse to accept them as women based on ignorance and idiocy. places that cater to women that refuse trans women don't actually cater to women and should be defunded. feminism needs to be inclusive or its not feminism. Being a TERF is a violent act. They spout violent rhetoric and propaganda, i have personally encountered it and seen my friends and loved ones victimized by it. if you've seen outrage at radfems its usually for those reasons exactly.
     
  5. NoIdols

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    Trans activist are the ones spouting violent rhetoric and propaganda. That refusing to cater to their demands is seen as violence while simultaneously saying that defunding rape relief centers is not only not violent but acceptable is not only oppressive to women, but also incredibly misogynistic.

    Tell me, thrashing women shelters is not violence?
     
  6. wrathchild

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    I am an afab nonbinary person and a lesbian, I have experienced sexual assault and violence from cis men and society specifically because i am viewed as a woman, and i am saying to you, a man, that if feminism (the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes) is not inclusive of ALL women, it is not fucking feminism. you cannot exclude trans women and call whatever you're doing feminism because its absolutely not. if women's shelters were excluding black women there would be outrage (as there should be). Your argument is completely invalid because trans women are women, and if they are being denied help from a women's shelter then that place is absolutely no good to women. no one is liberated until everyone is. I'm no longer having this discussion with you until you get your head on right. i'm happy to try to educate but what you're saying is extremely offensive and does not align with feminist principle at all. feminism=solidarity. period. end of discussion. just say you're transphobic and leave.
     

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