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Thoughts on Radical Feminism?

Diskussion i 'General political debates' startad av NoIdols, 26 maj 2020.

  1. NoIdols

    NoIdols New Member New Member


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    I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar with Radical Feminism or its prominent authors (Dworkin, Firestone for instance), but if that's the case I'd like to know your thoughts on them. I've been digging into their ideas as of last year and currently find myself agreeing with several of them.

    Is there a way that Radical Feminism and Anarchism could coexist should Anarchists societies around the world become a reality?
     
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  2. wrathchild

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    My major problem with radical feminism is that most self identified "radical feminists" are proud TERFs and have co-opted the idea of feminism at its core and made it a little club that they think they can exclude people who they don't believe are 'real women' from. I am a feminist and while I think that the origins of radical feminism are cool as shit because feminists like Dworkin focused on the issue of violence against women (which is a huge issue still), i think the modern idea of radical feminism is hypocritical and dangerous because radical feminists today exclude and incite violence against the trans community (ESPECIALLY trans women).
     
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  3. NoIdols

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    I haven't seen any radfems inciting violence against the trans community. On the contrary, I've seen physical evidence of trans people thrashing a women's shelter for not allowing transwomen in it, and as if that wasn't enough, a rape relief center in Canada was defunded for not allowing transwomen inside. I've also seen plenty of threats from transwomen and genderqueers towards radfems online.
     
  4. wrathchild

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    just the fact that rape relief centers and women's shelters exclude trans women is violence. they are withholding resources from WOMEN who have been exposed to the same traumas they have just because they refuse to accept them as women based on ignorance and idiocy. places that cater to women that refuse trans women don't actually cater to women and should be defunded. feminism needs to be inclusive or its not feminism. Being a TERF is a violent act. They spout violent rhetoric and propaganda, i have personally encountered it and seen my friends and loved ones victimized by it. if you've seen outrage at radfems its usually for those reasons exactly.
     
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  5. NoIdols

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    Trans activist are the ones spouting violent rhetoric and propaganda. That refusing to cater to their demands is seen as violence while simultaneously saying that defunding rape relief centers is not only not violent but acceptable is not only oppressive to women, but also incredibly misogynistic.

    Tell me, thrashing women shelters is not violence?
     
  6. wrathchild

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    I am an afab nonbinary person and a lesbian, I have experienced sexual assault and violence from cis men and society specifically because i am viewed as a woman, and i am saying to you, a man, that if feminism (the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes) is not inclusive of ALL women, it is not fucking feminism. you cannot exclude trans women and call whatever you're doing feminism because its absolutely not. if women's shelters were excluding black women there would be outrage (as there should be). Your argument is completely invalid because trans women are women, and if they are being denied help from a women's shelter then that place is absolutely no good to women. no one is liberated until everyone is. I'm no longer having this discussion with you until you get your head on right. i'm happy to try to educate but what you're saying is extremely offensive and does not align with feminist principle at all. feminism=solidarity. period. end of discussion. just say you're transphobic and leave.
     
  7. diypeacepunkandanarcho

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    Radical feminism is Anarchist, amazing and transformative, as long as it respects human rights and doesn't use religions and politics to beg the question on how women should choose to live their lives. Simply put, I really don't think sexual preference or sexual expression is the problem, misandry and misogyny is and it often comes from romanticized expectations in relationships and marriages, therefore it is sexist and comes from Capitalism and religions.
     
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  8. diypeacepunkandanarcho

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    Just because someone claims they're an Anarchist doesn't mean they can't have backwards religious and political views about transexuals and pornography also. Islam definitely does not approve of pornography and equality of the sexes, but some Anarchists approve of ISLAM.
     
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  9. diypeacepunkandanarcho

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    I read Dworkin's views on violence against women, but I don't think antiCapitalist pornography is the problem. Greed for sexual violence is, but I see pornography as blissful expression and most of it is free nowadays and helping to liberate people from Natalism and religions. It's romanticism that is connected to fascism.
     
  10. diypeacepunkandanarcho

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    Also, I would never attempt to profit from an Anarchopunk release. Don't believe that I would dare try.
     
  11. diypeacepunkandanarcho

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    Also, I'm not really a macho militant Anarchist. I'm really more of a Libertarian nowadays that's live and let live and for freedom of beliefs in PUNK in general.
     
  12. nick007

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    In regards to the women centers refusing trahs women, it's very important to keep in mind that a bit of the women attending those have been through major abuse including rape from men. The centers are trying to remain safe spaces for women & some of the women may be terrified of any person having a penis being in their space due to PTSD which seems understandable to me. I know it majorly sux for the trans women that have been through hell & are then being denied support but being abused should NOT give anyone a free pass to initiate or encourage violence against others who never did anything persosnally against them nor abused & hurt others. Violence Begets Violence as the expression goes.

    Anarchism is about rebelling against corruption & control & rising up in order to hopefully save & obtain more individual rights & freedoms. I highly dobut that many of us here would want to commit random violence against others who do not deserve it & are also majorly struggling to manage day to day

    Some self identified feminists are kind of guilty of this as well. They treat everyone not agreeing with them as their enemy. Some treat other women as traitors because the women are being housewives while their husbands work or the women are working in the sex industry. I'm a male feminist & I strongly believe that feminism should be about giving women equal opportunities & choices. I do not like this world being controlled mostly by men but I do NOT think that all men are evil b@stards. It seems like a majority of the men in major power are as well as lots of their supporters. However there's also plenty of men such as myself & I think lots of others on this forum who are majorly upset with this current system. In order for any of us to have a chance of improving this system we need to be trying to build allies & friendships instead of assuming that everyone who doesn't completely agree with us must be our enemy.
     
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