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The Lack of Political Discussion on This Site

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by JolleyPunk, Nov 18, 2016.

  1. JolleyPunk

    JolleyPunkActive Member Forum Member


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    Hello comrades,

    With the recent election happening in the US and the huge surge of right-wing politicians rising to power in Europe, I feel that there is a huge void of discussion here on this site about direct action and dealing with the fascist rise of power throughout the world. I understand that this site is also about anarcho-punk music, but there is a time for sitting back and talking about music and a time for talking about rising up and taking action in the world around us. I'd like to start the discussion of ways for everyone to implement direct action in their local areas and doing everything we can to fight the rise of neo-nazis and right wing radicals.

    My favorite resource as of late is subMedia.tv, they are very effective at talking reality. They have recently talked about how to deal with the rise of white supremacy as a member of white society, so any fellow white comrades out there should take a bit of time to go watch this video and hear what they have to say about our role as white anarchists. Please comrades, we have to brig the fight to the enemy's front yard and fight them directly!
     

  2. dumbum

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    so true, unfortunately i believe that even among self proclaimed anarchists there is a lack of interest in the world outside of their social circles and personal interests, just like the majority of society. because of the apathy (which i can fall victim to but try not to) and lack of interests in politics and social issues i feel the only people that care enough to use their voice and power for change are the ones supporting the system and taking away human rights. as far as no discussions on this site that is a good question. i unfortunately feel this is because more "punks" or anarchists are more interested in the sound of the music and the look of the scene than what the artist is saying or what the message is. i find it hard to find people who listen and look into lyrical content. thanks for the heads up on that news site ill look into it.
     
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  3. JolleyPunk

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    Of course, I came to this site hoping for a hub of political debate and action, but I've been a little disappointed by it all. Granted, the traffic for this site is so so so small compared to other forums, but I don't feel like a small meeting place calls for any less discussion. I know the admins on this site are strong proponents of action, but I feel like there is such a void of action here.
    I hope this thread can gain some traction though, the biggest step forward is starting the discussion in the void. Any news from where you are in the world dumbum?
     
  4. Lardy Cox

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    As Austerity has killed thousands in the UK & Social Cleansing is an excepted policy here. I find it difficult to be anything but fuken angry.. Class War AGAINST the Poor has never been so prevalent in my lifetime.. This to me is TRUE FASCISM...
     
  5. JolleyPunk

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    I agree Lardy. The world is changing and there is no better time for anarchists to come out of the woodworks and show what it means to be an actual anarchist. There is a huge issue with "branding"-for lack of a better word-when it comes to anarchism. Most people these days associate anarchism with bombs and death, not unity and cooperation. Its a mess and I have been mulling over all the ways that we can change how people view us.
    I'm not saying we should have some grand branding change like the fascists have with the "Alt-Right". I'm hoping we can educate people on while we keep our name and honesty without lying to people like "no we aren't anarchists! We're neo-libertarian" or some bull shit like that. Any thoughts on the matter? Any ideas for spreading education on how our movement has helped the world? Similar to how the Spanish Revolution happened, starting with education then moving to action.
     
  6. punkmar77

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    Recently I had a union agitator and democratic operative contact me out of the blue after at least 6 years of not seeing this person face to face. He wanted to know if I would help him persuade Democratic Party leaders that Antifa are worth backing up and not "criminal terrorists". He invited me for beers after work, I think he saw me fighting nazis on the news recently so he was a bit 'overenthusiastic'. He wanted me to speak for Antifa. I explained that first of all that would betray everything I stand for, second of all you can't outlaw an 'organization' that is as structured as water, there is no organization, and there are no leaders, and there is no way of identifying Antifa, not in a legal sense of the word anyway. My point is compañ[email protected], If we're at the point where we are having to justify our existence to liberals in order not to be considered a 'terrorist organization' then I say fuck it, it's bad enough having to deal with multitudes of murderous supremacists without having to have eyes in the back of our heads for that knife in the back. Liberalism Is the enabler of white supremacy. I see very dark days ahead for all of us, this is a multiple fronted war.
     
  7. JolleyPunk

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    I'm not interested in converting or convincing anyone who doesn't want to back us. Liberals are the same as the far-right, they aren't anything that I would want on my side. I am interested in spreading the word to people who need to hear us, people who are low income or lower class or working class. I want to unite the lower class and the "middle class" who are actually just making by with loans and miserable paychecks. Those are the people who need us and should hear what we have to say. We are trying to unite the people, not the fuckwads who think that people fighting fascism are "the same as fascists" or people who think the only savior of this world is the free market. Its important to unite as a people and destroy the upper class. And that requires education and proper spread of information.
     
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  8. Lardy Cox

    Lardy CoxExperienced Member Experienced member

    It all starts at the queue to the FOOD BANK....
     
  9. detached805

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    I have no confidence that the establishment will budge they will have to be forced. They outgun us. We outnumber them. It's gonna be bad. But we will never lose.
     
  10. aint ashamed

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    Liberalism is the enabler of white supremacy!? Ahh, explain please. aint ashamed
     
  11. The Hat

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    ....And when the fascists come to power, don't tell me you aint been warned......
    U.K. Subs-Postcard From L.A.
     
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  12. 1xAntifa

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    I'll keep it short and sweet.

    1- Liberals notions of free speech give space for the grubs to air their opinions and propaganda, they cannot grasp that hate speech ain't free speech

    2- Liberal notions of balance give them oxygen to breathe in the so called marketplace of ideas

    3- Liberal media give them airtime and spaces within which to disseminate their repulsive ideas to a wider audience.

    4= Liberals always side with capitalism, anti-fascism is a phenomena of the left which is itself to some degree or other anti-capitalist.

    5- White supremacist, anti immigrant and anti asylum seeker ideology has penetrated the more conservative side of liberalism. This is under the guise of national security which the left wing of liberalism is also complicit in.

    I am talking of liberalism in the wider sense of Locke, Mill, and Rawls thus both the Republicans and Democrats are liberals. If you are using liberal to mean solely democrat, then I think you are making a grave mistake. Hence what appears to be your misunderstanding. Don't forget that Clinton brought in the three strikes thing that has disproportionately impacted Afro-American and Latinx people, and Obama happily continued drone attacks on brown people across the globe. Both of which heartened white supremacists no doubt.

    Thats my understanding of the issue. Hope it helps.
     
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  13. aint ashamed

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    Very good, Thank you! I do get everything you stated, and essentially always have. I'm just
    not use to the broad stroke application of the word liberalism. With the current news cycle the
    way it is, political labels are flying in our faces fast and furious. I would suggest finding creative
    ways to convey our views, that would be less likely to be misunderstood. Thanks again!
    aint ashamed
     
  14. 1xAntifa

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    you're welcome. Glad it helped.
     
  15. punkmar77

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    Honestly AA, not here to pander, I've had a multiplicity of bad experiences with liberals, if this offends you I don't know what to tell you, liberals are still in bed with neo-liberalism and capitalism as a whole, in general they don't care for anarchists and really have very little understanding or empathy of what we stand for.
     
  16. anarchodyke

    anarchodykeMember Forum Member

    if you want news, the main anarchist hub for usa and canada is It's Going Down - Anarchist News and Counter-Information,
     
  17. aint ashamed

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    We are good brother! I needed some additional enlightenment, on what constituted being a
    liberal, and liberalism. If we talk about fascists, and fascism, that is pretty much universally
    understood. I think liberal / liberalism is murkier, less clearly defined, and for me not being
    as all inclusive in my thinking as I should have been, as well as the fine points you, and our
    brother from Australia (1xAntifa) made. Thank you again! aint ashamed
     
  18. aint ashamed

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    I love Charlie Harper and the U.K. Subs, too. Check out the video - Punk Can Take It!
    It has some corny skits and narration, but the live footage of the band performing is
    PHENOMENAL ! aint ashamed
     
  19. The Hat

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    I own the DVD, but yes, it's a great film. Quite funny, and the early videos of The U.K. Subs in concert are not to be missed. I've met Charlie Harper on more than one occasion, and he is one of the nicest, friendliest, down to earth person you could ever hope to meet, and have a beer with.
     
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  20. aint ashamed

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    Wow, how cool is that, having a frosty brew with the great Charlie Harper! Wish I could
    have joined you boys! Love the song_Sensitive Boys_ by The Subs. aint ashamed
     
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