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The Exploited & Nazis: They Really Are Friends!

Discussion in 'Music, punk scene & subcultures' started by ungovernable, Mar 8, 2012.

  1. Ivanovich

    IvanovichExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    So you from Norway and you called Haggis? Anyway, I don''t think you is nazis, but you are wankers, for sure.
     
  2. Fat Animal

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    We can live with that:) :beer:
     
  3. crustybeckham

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    There is something I really don't understand Fat Animal. With what happened in Norway last summer, how can you find "playing nazi" even remotely funny? How you can you enjoy using dodgy imagery after a neo-nazi slaughtered tens of people? Has the event not made you question your attitude? At all? The far-right is on the rise everywhere in Europe, in France, Greece, England, Germany and of course in Norway. And yet you still seem to ignore it and would rather do your best to piss antifas off. You have to admit this is hardly a consistant political line and the position of the antifas about Haggis is logical. By using nationalist imagery and even doing nazi salute, you make it look like it really is just a joke," chill out lads, nazism is hilarious, look at me, I'm pretending to be a bonehead, what a blast!" That you can still think in today's Norwegian context is sick.
     
  4. Fat Animal

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    What you don´t know about Norway could fill up a library Mr.Crustybeckham. Let´s not even go there. What i find funny is up to me. I´m just here on this forum to tell you guys that neither Haggis nor The Exploited are nazi-racist-scum. End of story.

    "A world without humor and the ability to laugh at anything at anytime, is a world i wont take part of" -Lemmy
     
  5. butcher

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    I still don't get the joke, or maybe I do, but it isn't funny. :o
     
  6. Fat Animal

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    isn´t it wonderful that we all are different and have a different sense of humor, oh what a colorful and diverse world we all live in, huzzah! :D
     
  7. crustybeckham

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    I am certainly no expert about Norway and have never claimed to be so. Still, I cannot help finding very odd to make "nazi jokes" while real neo-nazis kill real people in the very same country for the sake of protecting Norway from foreigners and keep the country pure... Mind you, I don't even think your band is a nazi oi band but you sure do play with fire. But as you said, "end of story", I am sure we are all tired of this endless talk. I'll check on youtube if I can find a funny video with a geezer dressed up as a SS pretending to kill immigrants and leftists instead, you know, that could be a right laugh.
     
  8. butcher

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    I threw my mate down some stairs the other day as a joke, I don't understand why he got upset about it. Must be one of those PC-fascists.
     
  9. skullfokker

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    ungovernable yet again the same old shite which you can neither verify or prove,just more shite that you have seen on the internet most of which is just rumours, a bit like the rumour i heard about you being a rapist and peadophile!! i dont know if its true but i read it on a forum somewhere by a guy who doesnt know you or has ever met you but it must be true...mustn't it? i havent got a clue who the quebec stompers are...do you know why that is? its because when im from fucking scotland.you say im trolling on the forum?do you know what trolling is,i came here to try and tell you facts but obviously facts are beyond your brainwashed ideology.
    as for supporting nazis in bulgaria, we had no idead what was going on at that gig, we are a band, we arrive at gig we play at gig and then we go home,as for dedicating a song to nazi fuck heads thats an absolute lie.just because some arsehole says we did doesnt make it true. you keep beleiving every thing you read on the net mate as youre a first class idiot who would not recognise the truth if it fell on your head from a great hight. i can see its a waste of time even attempting to reason here . i wont be back believe what the fuck you want .i hope you find yourself in a similiar situation one day,maybe then you will see what i mean!!
     
  10. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    Oh yeah and the sieg heil are also roman salute i suppose ? Bullshit

    So funny. As funny as pretending to be a nazi. You're definatly morons, don't be surprised to be hated.

    Gotta love it when fencewalkers excuse themselves by pretending to provoke, but when they get what they want - provocation - they come crying that we're judging them as nazis.

    If you want to stop being considered as a nazi, then stop acting like a nazi.

    You're a fucking idiot. Many neo-nazis bands toured south america. It doesn't prove anything. Our local neo-nazi band in Quebec (Vinland Warriors) just toured half of the countries you quoted this year.

    Yes you are racist, you just think it's funny.

    Bullshit again. I can quote numerous places where The Exploited members excused themselves for that picture by saying that they didn't know anybody on the picture, they said it was just a bunch of fans who asked for a picture and just before the picture was taken everybody started doing zieg heil.

    Then please don't take part of our world and our scene, thanks.





    Why did you come here to defend yourself if you can't even answer my questions ???

    And no it's not fucking rumours, i live in Quebec we know who those guys are and their WHOLE crew got free access to the show AND they had backstage access... They organizers gave them free access because their RAC band (Légitime Violence) was supposed to play at this show WITH THE EXPLOITED but they were forced to cancel because of pressures by anti-fascists. In return, the organizers gave them free access to the show and YOU tolerated them backstage and even took pictures with them. Stop lying. The band admitted they had free backstage access on their facebook page, the medias reported it, and EVERYONE know it's true. Many people who attended the show saw it by themselves.

    Why don't you just contact the local crews (Quebec Stompers and Coup De Masse and Légitime Violence band) and ask them by yourself if they got free backstage access ? You'd be surprised of their answer.

    You had no idea of what was going on ??? Come on there was a fight between like 100 people but you didn't see anything ?? You must be really blind.
    http://www.pirate-punk.net/message.php?t=7086

    And ALL reports from that show said you dedicated a song about violence to the people who just fought (the nazis) because you think it's cool to see people fighting. So looks like there are many people lying and making up the SAME story, weird ?

    Yeah you're right, it's a waste of time if you can't answer my questions then just don't come back. You failed to defend yourself. As soon as you were confronted with evidences and asked to explain yourselves you ran away insulting us and dodging the questions.

    I'll never be in a similar situation because i don't hang out with nazis and people thinking it's funny to act like a nazi. I don't use anti-semitic, racist and sexist insults and i don't have a bad reputation like you do. I'm a true anti-racist, unlike you. That's why i'm not in a situation like you. YOU deserve to be in a situation like that and you've put yourself into it by yourself.

    You admitted yourself that you don't ask for questions when playing with a band or informing yourself about who's hanging with you, so don't be surprised to be in a situation like that.
     
  11. skullfokker

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    i can see you have trouble understanding things that are not on the internet
    as your! quote says the orginisers gave them blah blah as they booked them blah blah.we do not know these people we do not know their political views.when we arrived at the gig we went to our dressing room maybe on the way there one of them approached rob for a picture ,the picture was taken then rob left not knowing who that person is or their political believes.its that simple but your brainwashed im a leftwing hero mentality cant comprehend that
     
  12. Fat Animal

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    Ungovernable....i see you have over 3500 posts in this forum and understand the type of person you are, there is no reasoning with you. I have had similar web-fights with likes of you before and at later dates even met up in person to confront these persons which in terms, in numerous ocations have helped them retain a hospital bed for quit some time. The world is a huge and wonderful place mister, it´s a shame you´re glued to your computer preaching hate, lies and bullshit rather than go out and see it it for yourself. I´ll tell you at the very end of this debate, a little story about the picture of Wattie and his brother with some Norwegians zieg heiling behind them: The picture is taken in 2002, the first time we all met eachother. It´s taken at Haggis rehearsing room and neither of us knew eachother personally at the time, we were just two bands booked to play the same show. The crusty standing in front is Tom Gang from Ordrenekt, a very left wing orientated crustband from Stavanger, Norway. The long haired guy with dreads, is a doctor called Espen Stangeland who happens to be a normal bloke who likes punkrock. The zieg heiling guy with glasses is Erik Matre, a jewish accountant working for the gouvernment in one of Norways tax offices. The short skinhead showing his tongue is Trond Utne, he died last year but spent alot of his time as a bouncer at one of Stavanger (a town in Norway) few venues that has monthly reggeae discos, and at his funeral party there were to be played Ska, Reggae and Rocksteady ONLY after his wish. Haggis former bass player Affi is standing besides me sieg heiling. Him and his wife who is also present in this picture have now adopted two children from Ethiopia. Things are never as black and white as they might appear, give that a seconds thought before you start your next smear campaign against people who are in it for the love of music and that alone. Slayer uses the same kind of imagery as we do, both in lyrics and artwork..go get em!
     
  13. skullfokker

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    maybe they did i wouldnt know as i \we dont have a clue who they are.just because the promoters let them in its fuck all to do with us.why do you find it hard to understand that simple fact ?
     
  14. Bakica

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    Lets all go out and salute with 'seig heil' since it's very popular today {pleure}
    And i really love the jew-guy who is saluting, he must be proud of himself. You guys need to learn what's respect, and the diference between stupidity and antifascism. Go make jokes on history somewhere else. If I'm asked, you are definitely not welcome on this forum

    :anti-nazi:
     
  15. ungovernable

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    Wake the fuck up idiot, i'm from Quebec, i can see that you have trouble understanding what the bonehead problem is here since your "anti-racism" is nothing more than a picture saying "we are against fascism" that you post only after the anti-nazis beat the shit out of your fucking fence-sitters asses but hey it's real life here and i know what's going on so shut the fuck up. This whole discussion only confirms that you guys are fucking dumbasses, you don't even inform yourselves about what bands you are playing with, so don't be surprised to be in this situation and stop blaming others about it.

    It would have taken you only 30 seconds to type "Légitime Violence" or "Quebec Stompers" on google to know what this band is all about... But yeah right i see you coming... "internet bullshit"... "keyboard warriors"... blah blah blah.... I guess you prefer to be a fucking ignorant fence sitters who can't take 30 seconds to understand who he's sharing the stage with... Or even better, just contact local anti-fascists from Quebec and ask them about this band. It's not hard to inform yourselves so stop pretending otherwise.

    I'm the webmaster of this forum fucking idiot. It's normal that i have 2500 posts in 3 years. That's 3 posts per day, wow, big fucking deal.

    Once again it just shows how fucking retarded you are. Stop pretending you're not a fascist, you act like them and brag about beating up people who have different opinions.

    On one side, you cry about your friends being beaten up in madrid, and on the other side you want to send people to hospital for different opinions. FUCKING HYPOCRITE !!!

    But hey wanna play this game ? Try to organise a show here in Quebec (a public show not a secret show in a secret location like fucking cowards) and let's see who "retain a hospital bed for quite some time". You will see how quebec anti-fascists handle your so-called "sense of humor".

    Sorry i have better things to do than spend $10,000 to take a plane to Norway to see a bunch of wankers thinking it's funny to zieg heil and act like nazis. And if you think i'd change my mind after seeing that, you're even dumber than i thought.

    Oh so now you stopped pretending it is all lies, internet bullshit, and a big conspiration against The Exploited ?


    And once again you guys failed to answer any of the questions i asked. You come here and pretend to want to argue but all you can do is insult and find stupid excuses to dodge the real arguments. Facts are that you can't even refuse those arguments and you've got nothing to answer to explain your fence-sitting attitude.
     
  16. ungovernable

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    I will repeat myself until I get an answer :

     
  17. anarchx

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    Hello i'm the person who make this files http://www.mediafire.com/?l4vl4y0dfcaek3k (sorry it's in french)

    I don't talk with haggis, you have a eagle nazi, you have RAC t-shirt, you say "sieg heil", you are not greyzone you are clearly fascist !

    For Wullie, I don't believe you are fascist, you are just an apolitic who never mind the bollock and like provocation. The provocation can be fun, but there is a price to pay.
    Antifasicsts from Madrid, have a warning shot. Now or you change your attitude sincerely, and you become ANTIFASCISTS. or you choose continue to do your stupid provocation and your indifference with your frequentations. At that time, antifascists of Madrid and South American,will no longer alone against you !

    You say "it's gossip in the internet" but my files make BY ME, have ten pages, TEN PAGES ! and no 2 pictures by photoshop ! It's much of gossip !

    You sing "anarchy & chaos" you didn't get it! Crass or Dead Kennedys could you explain, but you hate REAL ANARCHISTS PUNKS.

    I cited you : "This is dedicated to Jello Biafra - he's a fucking faggot!" &
    "CRASS are really a bunch of wankers." but less then you, you are just some fucking alcoholics and fucking drungs addict !

    The Dk hates you, and sing for you " NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF"
    http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php? ... stcount=47

    Now, i repeat, choose your side or you say "WE ARE ANTIFA" and you stop sucker fascists band and stop nazi provocation, or you choose to continue in your stupid game, and we consider you as fascists band.

    The barricades have only two sides, stop fucking greyzone !
     
  18. Bentheanarchist

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    The Exploited have too much evidence against them showing they are fence riding scum.
     
  19. skullfokker

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    you really are a first class idiot why would i know what the problem is in quebec ? i was unaware there was one untill i came here.thats what you cant comprehend.i dont spend my every waking hour looking up stuff like you do.i actually have a quite normal life,i dont go out my way to look for hate,you might be admin here but you come across as a fanatical moron who never leaves his house and whos a wee internet warrior, the fight at the gig shit ,we where in the hall playing at the time you fucking moron,im sorry the facts dont fit in with your deluded concept of what we are but thats just your tough shit.
     
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