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The casualties? HA!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Raise Your Fist, Jun 22, 2010.

  1. ryan1980

    ryan1980Experienced Member Experienced member


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    LOL UnGov, sorry the last comment of mine was directed at Apples. I agree that its not all about the music, nor should it be. I don't mean pop-punk as in commercialized pop 'punk' but I simply meant the more melodic punk that came out of Lookout! or Nitro and a host of other labels should be recognized as punk.
     
  2. Anxiety69

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    there's a term for non punk bands that play punk sounding music. Alternative Rock. or indie rock, even if they are a major label band that has mainstream popularity these two archaic catergories are better then 'punk' as a label for them. Because i don't care how corrupted that gene pool of alt/indie bands is.
     
  3. Apples

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    Stolen from last.fm which was probably stolen from wikipedia:

    Pop punk (also known as punk pop and other names) is a fusion genre that combines elements of punk rock with pop music, to varying degrees. It is not clear when the term pop punk was first used, but pop-influenced punk rock had been around since the 1970s; performed by bands such as the Ramones, Buzzcocks, The Jam, The Undertones, and Generation X. Bad Religion, who started in 1980, were another early band to play the genre, and some consider them godfathers of pop punk. In the mid-1990s, Southern California-based pop punk bands achieved worldwide commercial success, and the genre’s association with that area has led some to the term SoCal sound. Examples of breakthrough pop punk records are the 1994 multi-platinum albums Dookie by Green Day and Smash by The Offspring and most prominently the 1999 multi-platinum album Enema of the State by blink-182. From the mid-1990s onwards, some bands associated with the genre have been described as faux-punk, mall punk, pseudo-punk, bubblegum punk or surf punk.
     
  4. ryan1980

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    You're proving my point that commercial "punk" isn't punk. Again, punk is about ethics, and bands that have no ethics to speak of were never punk to begin with. That's not to say people can't like their music or their "craft", but you have to know where it comes from. Less informed people don't know (or maybe don't care) and say it's punk because its, for the most part, easier than actual research.
     
  5. Apples

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    I mean i get what you're saying but I do think there is a pop punk. All the non mainstream pop punk shows i go to there seems to be a good sense of DIY ethics and often political messages in their music as well as being very accepted in the local punk community in MD/DC. I personally just view punk and pop punk as two totally separate genres. Pop punk to me is taking punk and making it like-able to high school and college kids and as a result you get pop music with a punk influence.

    If you're gonna call me "less informed" maybe I'll look into it a little instead of speaking from my own personal experience. "Many pop punk bands retained a do it yourself (DIY) approach to their music, and a number of independent record labels emerged during that period, often run by band members who wanted to release their own music and that of their friends. The independent labels Lookout! Records, Fat Wreck Chords and Epitaph Records were about to achieve mainstream success."

    To me, what you're saying is that ethics are lost with mainstream success. Blink 182 had multiple releases on tapes and even a split record before hitting big. Green Day and the Offspring were bands that started with Lookout and Epitaph. Both being labels with a DIY approach. Maybe they just "sold out" and lost their ethics.

    To anxiety, I think the lines between pop punk and alternative rock are blurred. But to me if I hear a song on the radio I feel like there is a difference in sound between purely pop punk bands and purely alt rock/indie bands.
     
  6. (Filipe)

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    THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THIS PART OF THE POST

    this is related to that discussion between ungov and the other guy , HOW THE FUCK DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WATTIE IS SAYING ?!! , he talks like his mouth is full of horse shit :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
     
  7. punkmar77

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    Now that is fucking funny... :lmao:
     
  8. DirtyRottenThrashPunk

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    Fuck the Casualties, listen to Capitalist Casualties :thumbsup:
     
  9. bigjeff

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    i heard of this band! they sound ok, But i don't like the vox on any song- they need a better singer
     
  10. Malignance_is_bliss

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    <posting in a dead thread>
    From word of mouth, when the Casualties came to Albany they were like rockstar primadonnas. this was a few years back, and I'm not sure the exact detail, but I remembering them having a bunch of pre-requisites for putting on the show. The ghouls as well, canceled bc the kids setting up everything wouldn't supply them with alcohol (they were asking for a full bar basically, for free).
     
  11. dis vicious

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    I used to like listen to the casualties, but then i heard E.N.T :ecouteurs:
     
  12. Bentheanarchist

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    If I listen to Wattie for a second I wanna smash his head open. Wattie really gets on my nerves. He is a horrible human being, and needs to get drunk and have a wreck, and die. He is a snob, who only thinks about himself. He is a racist, and a fascist.
    He spends most of his hours on his clothes, and hair, and thinking about how much he hates everyone.
    One day I will get my hand on his mohawk and rip his head off.
    Thats how much Wattie annoys me.
     
  13. skulldrix

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  14. danzigmcfly

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    i like the casualties and i'll tell you why, they come to my town. all the punk bands on the local level are pop punk in the worst sense of the term and all of the other bands skip my state when they tour i'm not saying that the casualties are the best band on the block but they are not the worst. they come out they are nice to the kids and they are a great way to get kids into punk, to catch an ear for it as it were like the misfits did back in the day and yes some kids will never catch on to the intellectual side of all of it, but some will and do and i consider that a win for punk and leftist counter cultural thinking and plus they have matured with their lyrics touching on subjects that may have been done by bands before them. what i mean to say is that for a kid who is just dipping their toes into punk likes the punchy chords the attitude all that will eventually find crass crust and all of that good stuff. i'm pretty shure that most of us started on a similar band for instance my first punk album was the sex pistols do i listen to the sex pistols now no but they did peak my curiosity about anarchy even though they had it all wrong
     
  15. skulldrix

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    My first punk group was the Ramones, then I grew up to hate them.
     
  16. zakkman666

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    I'm going to receive ALOT of flack for this but I personally love pop punk, stuff like Blink-182, Sum 41 and New Found Glory is alot of fun and I love the melodic guitar. The Casualties are fun to listen to but they have no substance.
     
  17. Nihilist84

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    OMG wtf you may no longer call yourself a punk sir :p sarcasm of course
    no one should give you shit for the music you choose to enjoy at least thats my opinion
     
  18. zakkman666

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    I totally agree sir, life's too short to care what someone's taste in music is. I sometimes get down to 90s pop music. Fun music is fun music to me.
     
  19. owedaliving123

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    meh they've done some good songs [imo] but other than that.......
     
  20. The Hat

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    Cartoons are fun to watch once in a while, but can get boring when they become predictable. Even worse when you have to pay more than $5.00-$10.00 (U.S.) for said cartoon

    And this is actually coming from a person who paid about $100.00 (U.S.) to see KISS last March.

    At least Kiss admits that it's overly expensive mindless entertainment, while The Casualties pretend they're "punk" and that they "Really care" and they're going to "Fight the system" and all the other tired, worn out, cliched slogans they can throw around.

    You like The Casualties? Fine. I do too. Wanna pay good money to see them? I've done so on more than one occasion. Want their music? You could either pay for it, or just google which blog spots have their down loads at least once a day. If you find one, better take advantage of it quick, since I'm sure they have people doing the same search so they can remove the down loads on whatever file sharing site has them.

    But, as far as I'm concerned, until I actually see or hear about The Casualties playing for free, attending/organizing a protest or demo, ladling food in a soup kitchen, and really putting their money where their mouth is, they're cartoon punx, and nothing more.

    Fuck, even Fat Mike has more sincerity than The Casualties. (And yeah I've spent good money on NOFX music in the past.)
     
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