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The casualties? HA!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Raise Your Fist, Jun 22, 2010.

  1. rude-boy

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    oh god here you go again. get over it fuck. your going to turn this thread into a 10 page exploited thread once agin. if there were any real admin people here they would say "take this conversation to the many differnt threads about the exploited." where this argument has gone one already on each one. so that this thread about the casualties can not get owned by the same argument you seem to have every time some one talks a single word about the exploited. there are a shit ton of nazie bands and peopel with nazi backgrounds. that doe snot mean you have to forece feed every one shit about them. i would liek to go one day where ungov isent callign some one a dumb facists every 5 posts and people get over the exploited and talk about more usfull shit then arguing all the time if a person is a nazi.
    grow the fuck up
     
  2. ungovernable

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    You dont understand, we are not argueing on wether or not exploited are nazis : they are not.

    Debates like this are unavoidable on an anarcho-punk forum clearly rejecting bands ideas like that, get over it.

    And the topic was already about a shitty band (the casualties)... the exploited is pretty much on the same level

    I never called anybody a fascism, and never said wattie is a nazi. stop lying and putting words in my mouth.

    You just proven that you didnt even follow the debate, or you understand absolutly nothing of it. Not surprising you dont see whats wrong with exploited...

    if you dont like this thread just dont read it and dont reply
     
  3. ungovernable

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    I DONT GIVE A FUCK, man there are 25 other arguments against them, what the hell are you proving ? Nothing. Btw it comes from A LIVE DVD you dont even have the right thing, its probably another live show of the same album or maybe they just edited that part out. Get the fucking video DVD.

    Exploited always hated jello biafra and Walter from Exploited collaborated with a group of neo nazis to beat up a Dead Kennedys member when he left a show. But oh yeah right, lies again.

    You're pathetic. Can't admit you are wrong, you always have to try to prove the evidences arent true to defend your shitty band. You are as pathetic as those posers fans of exploited.

    No, you are the one who brought it up on the other topic. And then you bitch casualties when you cant even accept the evidence about Exploited. But where are youe evidences for the casualties ? you wasnt a bitch like you were for exploited, you didnt ask for 34980392840 evidences and you didnt critic each one of them
     
  4. Protspecd

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    "Can't admit you are wrong"

    I lol'd, you really haven't been paying attention. I have been admitting that, for quite sometime now, far out.

    I searched for the song and I 'found the proof'. So, you think it was either on the dvd (explained below) or was editted out.
    So you would believe a block of text with no supporting audio over the recording of the song on the album. To edit the live recording to change him calling Jello a fag to he fucked his wife (both are fucking stupid insults and shouldn't have been said) but I have no idea why they would go to the effort of doing that, to make it sound organic to the recordings etc.

    I would love to download the live dvd and check that version out but I am afraid it doesn't exist
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exploited#Discography <-- Live at the whitehouse is only a live album (which the spanish website explains it was on that cd before the I hate you track).

    I will tell you what I proved, I proved assumptions in evidence can be costly to your argument. I admitted I lost the debate a while ago but the point of these arguments was to explain why I didn't believe in some of the evidence. After insults from you, I thought hey, I may as well give it a shot and check out that song that site talked about. I found it, I listened to it, I proved it wrong.

    My point is (which has been my point this time round), rather than just 'believe' webpages that claim stuff without providing necessary backup and putting that down as an argument, maybe check it out yourself? You kept saying how that article was filled with evidence and I was too stupid to understand it but I guess it wasn't as sound as you thought. You kinda set yourself up to look like an ass (especially that comment I just quoted you on)

    I wasn't defending the exploited then. I was using the way you responding to me on that topic to counter what you were saying in that thread. I didn't bitch about them because you didn't present evidence that I didn't think was unstable (not the best word to use but whatever lol). Okay, I am going to say it nice and slow for you, which is kinda pointless because I am writing =/

    I 'bitched' about the evidence that was given in the exploited thread. The reasons I dislike the casualties lies within their lyrics, mostly their out look on punk and that stupid 'drunk punx' or 'up the punx' shit in their songs. I hate their out look on crusts and hippies, kill the hippies:
    'Punk has gone through changes
    From spiky hair to long
    Now anyone can say
    They're into fucking punk'

    Now I could have perceived this wrong but what I read here is that they believe how you look is a massive part 'in being punk'. I read it and went the hell is this crap?
     
  5. punkmar77

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    That goes to show how much of a noob you are Protspecd, I've heard Wattie's recordings calling Jello a fagot 25 years ago, and also the recording of him saying he fucked Jello's wife both from the same show and available on multiple different discs, including one that Jello put out himself on Alternative Tentacles...who cares if you don't believe it or can't find the evidence. And yes you did say that you were leaving this forum and asked me why you should stay, don't play coy, I gave you a reason to stay, then you read something that Ungov wrote and said that's it, and you left. And you didn't prove shit by checking one source that has obviously been edited since it was originally released. Just as the propaganda in Exploited's music has been rethought and they are now saying Nazi's fuck off, too little too late and obviously motivated by money.
     
  6. Apples

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    Any band has the freedom to say what they want in their lyrics, regardless of how stupid it may seem to some people. "Drunk Punx" and "Up the Punx" and even "Punx" in general is a street-punk/chaos-punk thing. Yes it is kinda stupid but oh well, thats who they are. I have a slightly different take on the lyrics. I agree they talk about how looking a certain way means something. But I also think 20 years ago the look was a lot more important, and the look is also very important to street punks and chaos punks. I think what they're saying is nowadays anyone can call themselves a punk (in reference to street punks) but not actually be a "punk."

    These lyrics are really stupid. Regardless of what they actually mean I don't think Casualties lyrics need to be looking into with this much depth. Its just not there (I dont think).
     
  7. Anxiety69

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    Actually the song I Hate You on a cd called Apocalypse 77 or something like that at the beginning he says This songs for jello biafra, or something along those lines. There is more then one place u can find him talking shit on jello, but it doesn;t matter because protspecd will find a way to say it's not real evidence.

    Oh and by the way, and this goes to anyone, if you are going to threaten to leave this site, or say that you are definatly leaving it, STAY LEFT!!! otherwise you lose all credibility, and you look like a fucking liar.
     
  8. ungovernable

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    Shut the fuck up Protspecd, many peoples can confirm what wattie has said, you are the only one who is too dumb to admit it, and you are really annoying.

    You say that the casualties song "kill a hippie" is enough to hate them yet you say nothing about "fuck a mod" by the exploited who declared war to the mods. Thats even worse. You are so pathetic and contradictory, and i'm sick of losing my time with you.
    exploited even admit declaring the war to the mods and calling to beat up The Jam's fans in their official biography:
    http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php? ... stcount=46

    There are MANY other evidences on the spanish article explaining that wattie have said racist insults many times, compared mexicans to pakis, beaten up a mexican from Solucion Mortale, they even did a tour with a neo-nazi band (and thats why they got beaten up by RASH Madrid). There are MANY MANY evidences on them, and i dont give a fuck about a naive newbie punk like you that refuse to believe anything.

    Yeah right everyone is lying, punkmar77 is lying, i am lying, people on others forums are lying but YOU found out the truth !!!
    http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php? ... stcount=46

    It's probably just on the live dvd, or on "apocalypse 77", i'm not an exploited fanboy like you so i cant remember


    Then why the fuck do you think hundreds of people would go to the effort of making up lies on the exploited and writting articles with fake evidences ? so dumb.

    Btw, in the past the exploited have tryed to censor pictures, they removed images of wattie showing his nazi tattoo from their myspace, and they tryed multiple time to censor the evidences so people couldnt critize them. Wouldnt be surprising that they re-released a live album and cutting out the word "fag"

    They have the freedom to say whatever they want, but we have the freedom to say its fucking stupid, that it should be boycotted, and has nothing to do with anarcho-punk.

    By the way this song wasn't 20 years ago, the casualties started like 10 years ago......
     
  9. Apples

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    We do have the freedom so say its stupid. I view this site more so as a punk site with an emphasis on anarcho-punk. Everyone here has different tastes but have all come together to talk about anarcho-punk. That doesn't mean that people can't talk about street punk, hardcore, celtic punk, etc... We have that freedom.

    The Casualties started in 1990 (20 years ago). Kill The Hippies came out between 90-95 (i know this cause its on their cd of their first five years of recordings).
     
  10. disfuck

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    Oh and by the way, and this goes to anyone, if you are going to threaten to leave this site, or say that you are definatly leaving it, STAY LEFT!!! otherwise you lose all credibility, and you look like a fucking liar.[/quote]
    yeah stop fucking crying wolf if you want to leave , leave its not a threat
     
  11. easy e

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    fuck the exploited and the casualties. their lyrics are fucking embarrassing.
     
  12. Anxiety69

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    a funny story about the xploited a friend told me, sorry i have no PROOF of it, but so so what it's still a good story.

    appearently years ago Wattie decided to go check out some Anarcho-punk show, (real crass or mortarhate related anarcho-punk) to check out that scene. He was in the bathroom and a lot of the people in there were starring him down, and ready to beat the shit out of him, when some one basically intervened, and escorted him out of there before anything could go down. The person who did this then said to Wattie, 'I just wanted you to know, you were just saved by a fag." the person who escorted him? Andy Martin of The Apostles :)
     
  13. Protspecd

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    Fair enough

    No actually, I would be happy to hear those lines on a live cd, it would put this dying dog down. I am downloading Live and Loud right now, it has the song I hate you so maybe it was this cd and everyone hear has been getting the name wrong. I did download apocalypse 77 and nothing was on it there, just the songs.

    I don't remember ever saying that, so if you could provide a link to me saying that I will admit to being wrong because I am staying =P
    It would be better off if you link it to me because you seem to know where I said it.

    Seriously punkmar, what do you expect. I was told I was an idiot for not finding the cd on my own and that the website did say it was on the disc, I get it and find he says something different.


    Because I wasn't arguing about the exploited's lyrics, I was arguing about the evidence you first presented in the exploited thread. I have said they are a shitty band a fair few times now, I know they have shitty lyrics and their whole violent nature is stupid but I wasn't arguing that! I was arguing some the evidence presented against them because it didn't seem right with me.


    Yes, there is a lot of evidence against them. That is why I have said (I keep trying to repeat this but I don't think you are understanding) I lost the debate in the first thread. But there were somethings that didn't add up to me, with the resurrection of this argument, I have now been bothered to try and find information supporting this website.

    Well, how do you think rumors start? Now I am not saying it for this case, just putting this out then generally but maybe they are basing their articles or posts off a source that has incorrect information.


    I have found it! Half way through writing this the live and loud cd finished downloading. No they didn't edit anything on the apocalypse 77 or live at the whitehouse because it was on live and loud! (the fag quote I mean) SO punkmar was kinda right in saying it was on different discs, but not you ungovernable so I will take this as a kinda win in this debate lols (don't get angry it is a joke..)

    "This song is dedicated to Jello Biafra, cause he's a fucking faggot"

    Also found the interview where he says he hates most paki's and comments on people calling them fascists etc.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ELMlJ5bvU2s/R ... ge+071.jpg

    If you can't be bother reading he states:

    "Look, I hate most Pakis but I like Jamaicans. I hate a lot of white people, in fact I hate more whites than Pakis so I'm not really racist."

    I lol'd at 'I'm not really racist."

    Still looking for the article on for the supporting NF aaaaaaaand nazi flag on the wall which apparently is on flipside magazine? but I can't find an online version..

    I will say this though, even though in the end the evidence I questioned turned out to be true (though incorrect sources in some parts), I will not say I was wrong for questioning evidence. You may disagree with me in this case but I say if you think evidence is put out in front of you just doesn't seem right then question the shit out of it even if people are going nah just believe it. I am sorry if how I want to hear or see the actual sources annoys the shit out of you or if I personally don't see how it being credible but that is just the way I am (haha sounds fucking corny as).
     
  14. punkmar77

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    All I am saying as an ancient original punk Protspecd is, its ok to listen to us old fucks once in a while...generally we are not going to try and stear you wrong and we are not going to lie about our collective experiences. Sure its good to question, but in this case you took it to the point of aggravation and it became insulting...instead of arguing until your blue in the face next time, DO THE FUCKIN' RESEARCH !!! Arm yourself extensively with facts and then debate....
     
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    protspecd, at the end of the song I HATE YOU, on Apoc. 77, he says JELLO BIAFRA YOU FUCKING CUNT.


    on LIVE AND LOUD ; "I Hate You" - "This is dedicated to Jello Biafra - he's a fuckin' faggot!"

    live at the whitehouse; "I Hate You" - 'This song's dedicated to me, from Jello Biafra. 'Cuz I fucked his wife!'

    on ON STAGE ; - "CRASS are really a bunch of wankers."

    the sad thing is i found these quotes within a minute of googling, something your lazy ass could have done yourself.
     
  16. Protspecd

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    Aye fair enough, I don't know how long you guys have been in the punk culture for, I always love learning something new (especially from people who have been in it for a while). I do have to thank you though for sticking this long with me =P

    Yes, I did go overboard, I apologize. I think it was also the personal insults from ungovernable (I am not attacking don't get me wrong) but whenever I get insulted I guess I just get the feeling of needing to prove them wrong. I will tone my annoyingness down for the sake of the AP communities sanity =P

    Ahh yeah it he does too

    I know he bags out biafra a lot, before I was arguing about the evidence behind the 'fag' quote in the spanish website which has all been sorted out now.
     
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    read the edits to my previous post
     
  18. Protspecd

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    Yeah that is why I downloaded Live and Loud, from those quotes. I was arguing the quote on the spanish website which ungovernable was saying was a credible site.
     
  19. ungovernable

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    And you were argueing the evidences because you thought there was nothing wrong with them

    Then just don't believe it and shut up, keep thinking the multiple people who told you they have heard it with their own ears and stay a fucking ignorant, no one cares.

    Yeah right, and there are dozens of people who told that they heard it with their own ears are probably lying. This is a couple of "sources with incorrect information", what a weird coincidence !!!

    Seriously, this is meaningless, there are still many other evidences that wattie said racist, homophobic and antisemitist insults beside this story.

    WOOOOOWWWWW what a fucking MIRACLE. See, when you use your brain it's not that hard to find the evidence. Maybe next time think twice and when hundreds of people say the same thing then its probably true.

    I always said i dont know exactly what live album it comes from, i just said you can easily find it on internet

    He also compared mexicans to pakis and many other racist quotes.

    I know wattie has recently denied his NF past and to be honest i never found an evidence of him being an activist of the NF and its probably going to be hard to prove, but i also have heard from many different people that he was a NF member.

    As for the nazi flag, it is on an interview but i dont remember which one, he said the flag was on the wall of his living room.


    Fact is that exploited sucks, with or without this argument. Questionning the evidence is just pointless and no one cares, it is a debate that annoys everyone. Are you going to start questionning the evidence against the nazis or against white power bands ? Maybe also question the evidences on the holocaust ? If exploited was a clean band and someone was attempting to destroy their reputation then i would understand, but obviously this isnt the case.

    Like punkmar77 maybe you should trust people sometimes, especially when many many people have the same version of the story.

    At least you made a little progress, when you first came here you refused to search for the evidence and told us it was our job to show them to you..


    So maybe close the exploited debate once for all now ? Or are you going to argue another 5 pages about the evidence of the nazi flag and the NF membership ?
     
  20. Protspecd

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    Can't find anything on the flag or NF membership so I gave up on that. Yeah it is closed up unless some one directs a question or a statement at me about it, then I will answer. Maybe I will research WP bands and find evidence against them, photos with known anarchists and anarchist symbols tattooed on their arms etc =P
     
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