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The Baader-Meinhof Complex

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Vegetarian Barbarian, Dec 30, 2009.

  1. Vegetarian Barbarian

    Vegetarian BarbarianExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    New movie, about 3 hours long, that tails the lives of those involved with the RAF in West Germany in the late 60`s until about the late 70`s or so. In German. Very good movie i thought. I have always known about the RAF and feel that the movie was pretty suspenseful in capturing what they did. There are some historical differences, but its just a movie. Pretty good one as well, you guys should check it out.
     

  2. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    Yeah i loooved that movie

    But however, the red army faction are fucking dumbass

    Baader Meinhof Complex aren't THAT bad (althought they AREN'T anarchist) but the gang is divised in two, and the other unit are radically islamist pro-palestinian fighters....

    Some facts

    - Baader Meinhof and his gang fought for COMMUNISM, it was around 1968 an important date for communism activist, and they clearly wanted their countries to be annexed to the soviet socialist republic. They supported Staline and Mao, two fucking red fascists.

    - The idiot palestinian who they fought with are terrorists and islamist fanatics. They attacked a plane filled with innocents. Anarchists target the state not peoples

    - During the plane takeover, the palestinian friends who took the plane in hostage to request the liberation of Baader Meinhof and his friends were fucking IDIOTS !!! They started harrassing all the passagers and tryed to find the jews within them.... I remember seeing in some documentary the palestinian terrorist who yell at a woman because she have a pencil with a logo looking like a jewish star (but it ain't!!).... Those islamist anti-sionist retards are clearly anti-semits !!

    - The movie is good, but it doesn't talk about these events. I'm not sure if it is the french traduction or what, but at some moment in this movie they say that Baader Meinhof is an anarchist, and when they say that you can see a scene where Baader is giving a speech, everyone have red flags and there is a big banner of Lenin on the wall !!! ewww, definatly not anarchist!


    And it reminds me i have a RAF tshirt someone gave to me.... ew
     
  3. Jack

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    1. The RAF was more leaning Maoist, they didn't want to be annexed by East Germany.

    2. The RAF had many Anarchists in it, the RAF and 2JM (Anarchists who killed people, ZOMG) were allied (many times hunger strikes were done by each group together, for mutual support). In 1983 when the 2JM decided to disband, most of the members joined the RAF.

    3. The RAF never had an Islamist faction, some founding members were trained by Palestinians in Jordan, and they cooperated on international actions, which was maybe 3 events where they cooperated out of hundreds of other events where they had nothing to do eachother. The plane hijacking you're refering to was done by the Popular Front for The Liberation of Palestine, who are Marxists, not Islamists. It should also be noted that all the hijackers were either Atheists or Christians, not Muslims.
     
  4. ungovernable

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    Ok i'll admit i haven't read much about the whole RAF story, but as far as i remember in the movie we can clearly see they support vietnam and Pol Pot's red fascists, also at some place a woman from RAF is doing a speech and she talks about the need to show solidarity with the communist states annexed to the USSR.

    Anyway, to my opinion Maoism is as worse (or maybe even worst, but this is an useless debate) than stalinism, leninism and trotskysm all together... You probably know your history so i don't have to tell you the horrible mess that was his pseudo social revolution, from creating famines and failing all temptatives to boost the economy, to the fascist authoritarian state.... Not even talking about the heritage of the maoist movement and all the shitty organizations that still claim to be maoist today.

    It's not only about the fact of killing peoples.... They killed INNOCENT peoples, this action had nothing revolutionnary except a despair tentative to liberate their comrades. It's not like propaganda by deed and the famous anarcho-banditists who only targetted the bourgeoisie and bosses of big companies.

    Real anarchists fight power, not people.

    And i don't know much about 2JM (i didn't even know their name, in french it is "the popular (populist?) front of liberation for palestine") but to me they have absolutly nothing of anarchists.

    They are islamist, they support terrorist groups in palestine, they ARE terrorists by targetting innocents...

    Plus they are strongly anti-semitist and they pretend to fight jews in the name of the revolution !! When they were about to execute an innocent woman because she had a pencil with a star that looked like the jewish star (but it wasn't) they claimed it was a "revolutionnary trial" !!! what shame

    The RAF is guilty of supporting and being associeted to these actions because they allied with them !!

    And generally speaking, they obviously were a MINORITY of individuals who wanted to make a revolution by force. Anarchists want a revolution comming from the bottom, from the peoples.... Even if they succeed, it would still be authoritarism and it would still be a revolution imposed by force by a minority of individuals... I don't even know how we can call anarchists the "anarchists" who fought for this cause...

    I was talking about their comrades who took a plane in hostage and wanted to blow it... If we are talking about the same thing, you called it "2JM".... It might be a different faction but the twos are allies and seems to be fighting in the same direction...

    Ok i didn't know they were atheists, i thought it was the same peoples they trained with.... I remember those peoples were islamists and they were offended when they saw RAF nudist girls hahah

    So we were talking about the same thing, but still don't get what 2JM is...

    i guess i need to read a little more on the subject ;)
     
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