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The American Dream

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Shuei, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. Shuei

    ShueiExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU[/video]

    This is a short movie about the American dream, and the way the FED oppresses the people.

    I guess many in here are familiar with lots of it, but i still find it very interesting and also quite entertaining. Be sure to watch soon, I'm pretty sure it will be brought down quickly.
     

  2. sludgefuck

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    I enjoyed it. The fact that american people need an entertaining cartoon to learn about their own government says a lot though.
     
  3. Altruikus

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    This is deception; it is libertarian bullshit! It's exactly like Zeitgeist. Its an argument for a free market. Its an argument for anarcho-capitalism (which is NOT anarchism) It is enslavement. This is Tea Party bullshit. Do not be led astray. The 'free market' is meant for nothing but enslavement of the masses with wealth for the oligarchy - the economic royalists.
     
  4. sludgefuck

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    OK guy, what are your specific arguments against the points made in the video? Not trying to bait you, just genuinely interested in what you thought was wrong. Enlighten me.
     
  5. Altruikus

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    Well, it was factual... but misguiding; it argues for property, and laissez-faire economics... its exactly like Zeitgeist. An argument by a rich executive to 'help' the people... the information was factual... but its meant to make people patriots and join the Tea Party... its sort of a new alternative to brainwash the masses.
     
  6. sludgefuck

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    Fair enough. It may have been the intent behind the creation of the video, but you wouldn't be able to gather that from the video alone and it was fairly unbiased. But you shouldn't discredit the video based on that, because if you're going to use that logic we might as well throw medical facts out because of the nazi's involvment with it.

    And secondly although the tea party may be fucked, if people are going to be brainwashed into anything by this country, AT LEAST it's something that almost remotely resembles the original idea the founding father's had.
     
  7. Wonder138

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    this is great! i liked how the shields they wear holding wear obviously anarchy signs even tho i think they wear meant to stand for America
     
  8. Altruikus

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    @Sludgefuck:
    Yes, as I said the information was correct... but it was presented to appeal to brainwashed masses. Look at the psychology behind it- it used 300, and a bunch of other terminology geared towards inciting the public towards this right wing libertarian agenda... It portrays America as 'supreme' I mean, it talks about the future of America - not the future of the world... its really egocentric. I'm not trying to pick at the bare-bones here (because the video is about America) but its entirely reformist. This is nothing like the Nazis pioneering modern medicine. That's like saying "fascists breathe air so we should stop doing that." The Nazis made alot of advancements because of the way they carried on with their innovation. National socialism is in no way leftist. Its authoritarian state control with a host of crimes against the people. The video skips the root of the problem - the state, hierarchy, money, and capitalism. it obviously disagrees with most anarchist ideologies; where it concerns the Tea Party, it stands for what we are against. It stands for oppression, property, wage slavery, laissez-faire economics (free market capitalism), patriotism, and they have alot of racists and the like in their ranks. They are extremely dangerous. If the Tea Party gains power, then everything is going to be fucked.Lastly, this would assume that the founding fathers and their classical republicanism philosophy was correct - libertarianism is of course close to this - but its still against what we stand for in the first place. Look up the guy that made this video: Tad Lumpkin. He's a supporter of capitalism and libertarianism. It's no secret. Its the same controversy we had over the Zeitgeist Movement. We have to recognize comrades from manipulative bastards. This goes hand in hand with what I have to say to Wonder138.

    @Wonder138:
    I thought the same thing; the 'A' probably stands for America, but it may look purposefully like the anarchy symbol. Its the same trick of deception Zeitgeist used on us. They try to make us think that we are all on the same side. You would be surprised how many Americans believe that libertarianism is anarchism. The more anarchists we lose to this cause- like the Tea Party, the more divided and conquerable we are.
    If we lose the consent of the people, then the revolution cannot be. Anything else would be authoritarian on our part. The Tea Party is eating up the anger and resistance - our momentum in the name of what we stand against.
     
  9. sludgefuck

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    I completely agree with you.

    It is the same because you're arguing intent vs product. But that's irrelevant because like I said I agree with you. I wasn't trying to debate the validity of the intent, just the product.

    Name a political party this isn't describing. Not supporting it in any way shape or form. I kind of meant to say it's a lesser evil, but now that I think about it that's pretty stupid because there's no such thing as a lesser evil.
     
  10. butcher

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    this vid brings the :ecouteurs:

    look out for the 'international bankers', or is it the:

    [​IMG]
     
  11. vAsSiLy77

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    nah, it's just that sludgy, disgustingly jabbering stay-at-home boy... what a pathetic mimicry!
     
  12. sludgefuck

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    LOL WELL UR DUM!!! See I can do the same thing too gobbledigooks :lmao:
     
  13. Altruikus

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    Yes unfortunately this is where the mess lies; the Nazis and libertarians, and pretty much everyone else with a political agenda believes that they are doing what is right... in their minds, their actions are justifiable. But like you said, we are on the same page - we know that the information is factual though it is biased and provides the solution to the problem in the light of a right wing libertarian agenda. Like you said we could make the same type of video, but not have it geared towards those agendas. I just don't think it's a good idea to use right wing libertarian propaganda towards our cause. I would say that it does have a place in this forum. We should look at all sides of the dilemma. We have videos on here about Nazi agendas because we must learn about them and analyze their thought process, and recognize their lies for what they are... its a good idea to be informed on your enemies' propaganda.

    Yes, political parties are always the lesser of two evils... so fuck political parties :) they aren't necessary to the revolution! They hinder it. The people must liberate themselves, not have a bureaucratic political party to 'do it'. Lenin's idea of a Vanguard Party for example is completely authoritarian and right wing. He stood on the shoulders of the people and then betrayed them, seizing power for himself and his Bolshevik party. Then as a result you get statist, authoritarian communism which isn't at all a good thing. It isn't even communism.
     
  14. vAsSiLy77

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    not necessary and almost impossible - because he is an Anarchist and uses the grey matter between his ears before he has to make impressive steps down from
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    huh, why not just keeping your mouth shut, learn a bit instead of putting yourself in the ass spot again and again with nothing more than defaetist bullshit and annoying showmanship... or:
     
  15. sludgefuck

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    Oh fucking PLEASE. Don't ride my ass because you don't have shit to say and you're butthurt. Have you ever even done one day of independant thinking in your life?
     
  16. punkmar77

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    lil' apple, sludgefuck, gobbledigook, et all..... argue your asses off, debate, point and counterpoint, but quit taking cheap personal shots at each other in the forums please, if you folks want to continue doing that through private messages, fine, insult each other 'till you're blue in the face, personal attacks on each other are not welcome here, are counter productive, and have nothing to do with the multiple topics you all seem to be doing it on.
     
  17. vAsSiLy77

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    Come on, this fucking idiot was under fire everywhere he started his noisy bullshit - Lil was only the second or third user to vent her annoyance, others like me did it too and we didn't started it - but sludge fuck keeps on spreading his defeatist wannabe shit and now it's time for the turnskin act after "persecuted minority" didn't worked.
    Talk about counter productivity - talk about a ban?
    Preying on youngsters but supporting their unexperienced mistakes, his disgusting image cultivation including insults and not at least irretrievable ignorance should be enough reasons to prevent the site becoming a troll playground by keeping trash like him in.
     
  18. sludgefuck

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    oh so you're gonna post this shit everywhere now, for fuck's sake man grow up
     
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