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Superior/Inferior race

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Anarcho-Communist, Dec 25, 2009.

  1. oneleggedpunk

    oneleggedpunkExperienced Member Experienced member


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    Yes, it makes you the ultimate racist you would hate the human race(i think that could be you Cocytus).
     
  2. punkmar77

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    It isn't just Cocytus, Oneleggedpunk....A majority of Green Anarchists see the extinction of the human race as the only answer to saving the planet, but thats way off topic isn't it?
     
  3. bletheringvegan

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    I can't believe this question was even brought up on an anarchist forum. Well done everyone for putting the thread starter straight.

    There are so many good books on the tragic history of the African continent, Theoldpunk mentioned 'Guns, Germs and Steel', I still have to get a hold of that one, it's on my huge list of books I have to read.

    I'd also recommend "King Leopold's Ghost" by Adam Hochschild and most of all "The Graves are Not Yet Full" By Bill Berkeley (http://www.africaspeaks.com/articles/2004/25052.html) "This is a crucial book for understanding the dynamics of white behavior in Africa and its horrific results. The modern story of Zaire/Congo is a dramatic example of the author's thesis that 'ethnic cleansing' and 'tribal conflict' have their roots in European imperialism and their fruits in the killing fields of Liberia, Somalia, Sudan, Angola, Rwanda…and Congo."
     
  4. Carcass

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    This is a crazy thing to say. Let's break it down, shall we?

    First of all, "Europe" is a continent so "Europe" didn't do anything except make imperceptibly slow geological movements. What I think you mean is that " all through out history, Western European nation states [have] dominated the world."

    Second, there was history before the renaissance and there will be history after capitalism. The system hasn't existed for all time and it's not going to exist for all time.

    Three, the military and colonial predilections of a nation state are not determined by all of its residents. Rather, they are determined by small cadres of monarchs, governors, merchant guilds/corporations, churches and the like. In fact, during this "great age of colonial expansion" (vom), European peasants were walking streets caked with their own urine and feces while the teeth rotted out of their syphilitic skulls. So it doesn't appear that this domination was meted out solely along racial lines; the architects of colonialism were perfectly happy to oppress white Europeans along with people of color in other parts of the world. So maybe what you mean to say is that the ruling class is superior.

    Four, are you really comfortable with using the capacity to dominate and enslave other cultures as a measure of superiority? If I wanted to, I could go shoot up a daycare facility right now. What about ending the lives of those babies and ruining the lives of their parents would make me better than them?

    Semi-related: punkmar77, you are an exceedingly reasonable and level-headed human being. I enjoy reading your posts.
     
  5. oneleggedpunk

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    I know, but i could'nt resist a dig at Cocytus's hate for everything (except D-Beat and Final Fantasy i think i've read).
     
  6. BlinkoChrist

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    Hate to defend cocytus but, I think he says that when annoyed, in all reality...his views kinda make sense :oO
    Now jack on the other hand....
     
  7. punkmar77

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    Carcass wrote:
    "Semi-related: punkmar77, you are an exceedingly reasonable and level-headed human being. I enjoy reading your posts."

    Well I know I come off a little harsh sometimes, but I'm a lot more passionate than I am eloquent...I apologize if I am out of line.
     
  8. Rabbit

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    I can't even take this thread seriously for several reasons:
    1) The first post. I need not mention how many things are wrong with it
    2) The idea that European/"white" military dominance proves anything about superiority or inferiority

    Ok. Now that that's out of the way, human DNA is so outrageously similar between races that any sort of racism is ridiculous. The only branches of humanity that can be said to be "inferior" such as Homo Erectus and the Neanderthals have died out. The slightly different breeds of Homo Sapiens are in no way superior or inferior to one another.

    Secondly, I disagree completely that European military power proves anything about Europeans being superior to anyone else (I'm a euromutt myself). I think that the desire for world dominance is a flaw of human nature that took over in Europe and caused the problems we see today in Africa and the "third world." The Europeans had the resources and desire to establish power elsewhere at the cost of exploiting others and destroying the environment. I don't see how this is "superior" to Native Americans who lived in a reasonable way with their surroundings.

    That's not to say that I'm not proud to be a Swedish/Welsh/Norman mixture, but I think any talk of "superiority" is ridiculous.
     
  9. Anxiety69

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    how do we even define superior / inferior... being able to create more deadly and efficient weapons sooner the other other cultures?
     
  10. oneleggedpunk

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    They do make kinda sense, it's just he can sound quite cuntish at times.
    Yes Jack on the other hand.....ummmmm.
     
  11. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    humans are inferior to animals
     
  12. BlinkoChrist

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    I completly disagree.
    That realy makes no sense at all.
     
  13. Rathryn

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    MD.45 - Fight Hate:
    Hate's made obsolete
    By Man's intellect
    Animals don't hate, they're too smart
    Deserve more respect
    :p
     
  14. dwtcos

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    When i saw this topic on the left of my screen I thought I was going to barf. Sorry Anarcho-Communist but A-P.net (as far as I know) doesn't condone this type of thought.
     
  15. bletheringvegan

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    Humans ARE animals.
     
  16. Carcass

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    You do realize I was complimenting you, right? o_O
     
  17. punkmar77

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    Thank you, my first reaction was that you were then I second-guessed myself...... :S
     
  18. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    Humans are MAMMALS! But honestly... i see better traits in dogs cats and rats than i do in most humans.

    I dont give a fuck what you think. See this is why your stupid, you ASSUMED i had NO IDEA there are characteristics in "animals" that can be compared to traits in humans? Shit, there are "traits" in my dump that can be compared to humans as well...Read the above response. How about that?
     
  19. Jack

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    You're a nazi who can't even fucking comprehend nazism.

    "Aryan" "races"=Germans (+Austrians), Danes, Dutch, English (not Cornish, Scottish, Irish, or Welsh etc), Norwegians, Swedes, and Finns. As far as an "Aryan dominance", lets look at this:

    Germany at the start of WWI had the colonies of German Southwest Africa (modern Namibia), German East Africa (modern Tanzania), Togoland (modern Benin and Toga), some small Chinese holdings, and the northern half of modern Paupa New Guinea (forgot it's name back then). That's not "domination", nevermind that all the other Aryan states save England had no colonies.

    The British Empire, however, was the largest empire the world has ever seen (bigger than the Mongols). But none of this was a result of an innate Aryan trait, or else it would have spread to Scandanavia and Germany. Rather it was a result of earlier industrialization. Almost all of the British (keep in mind, all this was done with the aid of the Celtic members of the island) colonies were gained towards the end of the 19th century during the "scramble for Africa", during which time Britain was the most industrialized nation, followed by Germany, and then France (who, between them, dominated the majority of Africa save Ethiopia, eastern Somalia, Libya, northern Morocco, Western Sahara, Guinea Bissau, Equatorial Guinea, the Congo, etc). This was the result of industrialization, not a superior racial makeup.

    Britain was the first country to industrialize, and was the first country to become entirely Capitalist that was not a mere city state or small coastal principality. The only thing that made them superior to other nations was their more advanced economy which developed because of their better access to resources, and strong marine industry (which enabled more shipping+larger navy). By that, the rest of Europe became industrialized before the rest of the world because they engaged in more trade with the United Kingdom, and were able to access better technologies, thus their economies expanded and they became economically superior to the rest of the world. But none of this has to do with racial makeup but rather it is all economic.

    We can also look at all the times Europeans (though, not Aryans, because their more isolated from North Africa and Asia) have gotten their asses handed to them by nonwhites. The Ottoman Empire, the Mongols (to a lesser extent), Muslim invasions of Spain, Sicily, etc. Bringing that up, if you think that even half of whites are pure whites, you're dead wrong. Southern Italians, Hispanics (as in: not Latin American, but from Iberia), Albanians, etc are all extremely products of nonwhites.
     
  20. disfuck

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    im not refering to his veiws or anything but what about r.a.s.h ?? im sure thyey have lots of similar goals as ap.net does . am i right ???
     
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