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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Napalm, Oct 1, 2009.

  1. Napalm

    NapalmActive Member Forum Member


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    Would it be possible to make a scandinavian subforum rather than just a danish one?
    considered scandinavians largely travel around for one others countrys gigs\demonstrations\etc all the time it would be nice to have a common area to announce this, rather than having to search all nationally based web pages.

    And, to the contrary, could we stuff the whole business of dividing the bands section between countries?
    Its an utter bollocks way to categorize as music is fucking universal, and i don't think anarcho punk should have any emphazise on nationality.
    note: i didn't want to include the following section in this post as it would ultimately solve itself if my suggestions would be taken to consideration, but i feel its too important ant it pisses me off so i do it anyway.
    And Definately not when they way you do it is so completely ignorant, and racist.
    How did you get up with the idea of joining china and japan? because of the similarity in physical traits?
    You are aware the scriptual and spoken language of these two countries are completeley different and the cultural similarities is like those of a salmon and a salt miner (they both spend most of their time around salt\theyre all human)

    Now don't get me all wrong, i'm writing this because i've come to like this site and i'd like to contribute to it (i'll start uploading albums when i get a steady connection to internet in my home), and i understand you've put a lot of work into putting it together (i especially enjoyed the discussion with dan from pe hahaha) and you have my respect for doing so and i'd like to continue using it as an informational tool as well as a place to discuss and cojoin booking events\demonstrations\etc

    cheers :ecouteurs:
    F\\E
     

  2. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    Probably, yes. Do you think you can make a scandinavian translation of our introduction text?



    At first we were supposed to make a section for all languages with a different alphabet. The reason is that we are not linguistical experts and sometime foreign alphabets can be hard to identify.

    But things went different and we made a section for russian anarchopunk. So now i guess it would be appropriate to separate the chinese/japenese section

    Of course we are aware that china and japan is very different, with very different culture and all. We are not retards, don't worry. I know a lot of things about both of these countries, i'm not an ignorant ;)



    I don't agree that all bands should be put in the same category. It's a lot easier for searches and classification to sort the bands by countries. Plus, a lot of peoples don't care about hearing a band speaking in a foreign language and wouldn't want to see them all in the same category... I also think it helps a lot to bring peoples speaking different languages, this site looks less like exclusively english-speaking.

    I agree that we shouldn't "emphatize on nationality", but WE ARE NOT !
    We are using LANGUAGE-specific categorization, and not country-based categorization.
    Even for the "gigs" category, we are using geographic location points (like continents) instead of nations.

    Anarchists wants to keep the language differences, but want to abolish the nations and nationalities. This is very different.
     
  3. Napalm

    NapalmActive Member Forum Member


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    it is indeed, point taken.
    I still disagree however, as you have a good example of how a solutiuon could be put in effect within the "other languages" section where bands have (nationality) in fron tof 'bandname - album'
    Which makes you able to discriminate between nationality in both the search function and on the boards, and you can merge all the subforums into one, making the whole kaboom more dritt ass oversiktelig (can't remember the word).

    ehm what text exactly? the rules?
     
  4. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    and the it would be a big mess.... uploaders wouldn't tag correctly their albums, it would be impossible to search for bands from a specific language, the downloads section would be even more overloaded, ........, .......

    Plus, i still don't understand why we would really need to do that. The japanese and chinese sections have been separated, now where is the problem?

    Not really the rules... More of our collective political positions

    viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2
     
  5. Napalm

    NapalmActive Member Forum Member


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    oh, those. well i don't really see the necessity.
    Most scandinavians are proficient with english, and i doubt those who isn't are going to read all that text anyway (i got halfway through the first section and got bored :rock: )
    tell you what, make the scandinavian thing, then we can make a poll in there to find out if the general usergroup would want it in a native language. eh?

    for the music part, obviously we differ on opinions and i see no point in any further discussion about it. (good thing with china and japan though :thumbsup: )
     
  6. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    Not all peoples don't care like you. Or else we wouldn't have translated this text into so many languages and distributed it massively.

    This is the most important text of the website, where we are explaining everything it's about.

    The majority of the peoples DO care about this text because they want to know who we are and what we do. All websites in the world need to have at least a description and an introduction text.

    I know by experience that a website like our's HAS to clearly define its political positions. You don't even have an idea of how much trouble it will save us.... We need to define our ideas and what we oppose to BEFORE we are confronted to problems. Plus it helps to "show our colors"

    It also contains very important informations like what is disallowed on the forum, how the collective management of the site works (but i suppose this is boring too...), and how the bands can remove their stuff

    Why not? why they wouldn't want it?

    Anyway, if we want to have a scandinavian forum we NEED the scandinavian translation. Or else there is no way we can promote or introduce our forum to scandinavian-speaking users.

    Since the begginning you still haven't brought any good argument except the China and Japenese thing.

    If there is still something to change then explain us what
     
  7. Napalm

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    yeah, allright i see your point and i suppose i can blame my own laziness when it comes to reading. That and the fact that reading (and writing) off a screen is causing damage to my brain. i get all sleepy and my eyes get weird.
    there is however no definite scandinavian language as scandinavia just is a common way of addressing sweden, norway and denmark . so its small tots which language to use as theyre mostly the same but i wouldnt be in a position to choose what language to use, hence the eventual poll.

    about the musical section, it is my first statement i was refering to, that i see no need to have one main forum for english speaking music (i agree with bikepunk in calling it promoting imperialism), naming it as "general" anarcho punk, while all other languages are given the slightly degrading prefix of "international" and then further dividing into nationaly based subforums.
    I think its utter bollocks, you don't, case closed. <3
     
  8. Napalm

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    oh yeah, one more thing i forgot.
    could we get a lyrics section up?
    As the most important thing about anarchopunk is their lyrics and rhetoric. you know. that and the fact most anarcho bands are singing in a gibberish kind of way making in utterly hard to decipher the words..

    churz
     
  9. Solidaridad

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    I think it´s okay to choose different languages (not everybody speaks esperanto) but it´s not o.k. to catogorize between different countries, because anarchists are completely against borders. And we schould get them out of our heads.
     
  10. ghost in the void

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    yes it is imperialism. it's an english language based forum. the language is based on that particular cultures one time dominance of the globe. the language isn't even based in gaelic, but latin, and it's descendant languages such as german, french, etc etc, blah blah, ad nausem. admin has other sites in other languages. it's not degrading unless you take it as so... but given your rhetorical use of english, i gather you probably would.

    english isn't even admins native tongue. he has made quite an effort in creating this space for us. if you can do better THEN GO DO IT so people can bitch about your hard work. your fucktarded use of self serving cliched "anarchist" logic is why half the world thinks that particular political movement is an obsolete joke.

    stop attempting to ruin it for people who at least try to make something for everyone.
     
  11. Solidaridad

    SolidaridadExperienced Member Experienced member


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    What a silly discussion style here.....Calm down, please! And do not forget the topic her is named: suggestions...


    I think a lot about this language problem. And for me english is ok. because actual it has a little bit the function of Esperanto- so many people in the world understand it. Perhaps itś the easiest way to communicate. But we schould not forget the others, who cannot understand english! Their so much great anarchopunkbands e.g. with french or spanish lyrics and even languages not many of us can understand. And a domination of englisch speaking band in the the main forum is not okay. At the moment we have their the "anarchopunk downlaod forum" based on english and an the international downloads. If you take this serious it seems that anarchopunk could only use the english language. Thats really crass!


    Because of that I think it could be better here. If you build up a community it is totally wrong to say "start your own project! I do not hope this is such an egocentric platform and itś possible to dicuss it all. And perhaps the critics here have the result that perhaps the non english bands are more involved. Anarchism does not mean that it is all an decision of one moderator.
     
  12. Anarcho-Punk.net

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    Then if you think having a main english download section is big imperialism, you can start a collevtive decision about it.

    If members vote for it, we can put the english download category into a subforum with all the others international downloads.

    But i think this is ridiculous and we have much important problems to talk about....

    English downloads have their own forum because it's the main language of the site and the most widely spoken, even in anarchopunk scene. It's as simple as that. Plus, a LOT of the bands listed in the english download section come from non-english-speaking countries and english isn't their first language. They just sing in english, that's all.

    In our other french download forum, which is bigger than this one, we are doing the same thing : one main category for french downloads, and another category for international downloads... And no one has EVER complainted... Either we are double-imperialists, or this is an issue no one cares about..

    Even in an anarchist society we will have to do the same thing.... Unless you are planning to translate all road sings and all market names into like 200 languages ??? Even in an anarchist society we will have to center on 1 or a few different languages, depending on the community....
     
  13. Punta de Flecha

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    if you care, i agree with Solidaridad in that point.

    and a lyrics section i think is a wondrefull idea,
     
  14. ghost in the void

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    yeah, sorry, i've been "on one" lately as we say where i live.

    when admin set up the site i did initially have problems with the layout as such. things like "chinese and japanese" being in the same section, etc. i do think there's room for improvement as well. i even suggested a really over the top "super progressive" (<joke) format, like "eurasian, african, americas, pacifica" being the way to list stuff (and that's leaving out all the penguin punx in antartica!) sometimes this just isn't practical though, and we do need to rely on the definitions of borders and nations just for simplicities sake.

    i have a lot to say on language, but i won't for now really. esperanto is very interesting. but so is english (despite it's dominant imperialist nature). it's not even really very "english" itself, more what esperanto "wanted" to be. english is an extremely confusing, impractical language, and it's really weird it is the dominant one on the planet.

    maybe post a list-like layout of what you think would be best. that way we avoid getting bogged down in looping somantic arguments, and we can all "see" what you mean. most people here would tend to agree with your logic as to the "why" of it.
     
  15. Solidaridad

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    Okay I will try to explain my ideas.

    The main language of the main forum should be in english and we should to explain why we choose this language (which perhaps has really this esperanto meaning, it is really the easiest way for our communication)

    For non english speaking people it is really great we have other language boards here but the best would be to try to understand the debate about anarchopunk in the main forum. .

    But I would prefer another solution for the downloads. Here I neither like the idea of nations nor it is necessary to choose a hierarchy of different languages. .

    Here, it would be better to show that there is anarchopunk worldwide. To structure our downloads itś a good idea to offer different language-sections But here should be really equaulity e.g. spanish is as important than english.


    And perhaps we should start with the most important languages for anarcho punk but if we really find the eskimo- anarchopunks than after their request we can build in their special language section. By the way and here it is not a joke, I am sure in the future there will be more languages as now. And this could be very interesting.

    And we should promote to use ogg. format for the uploads....
     
  16. Solidaridad

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    Another idea would to classify the downloads in alphabetical order. I am sure in a few months we have hundreds of downloads here and it will be necesary to structure it. Than you could click on the name of the band and get the download and all the information you need e.g. language, tracks and perhaps the cover. And I prefer to have all bands together in one category and I am just thinking about a lot of anarchopunk mailorder catalogues where never you find different language sorting.
     
  17. Napalm

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    I agree with sorting bands alphabetically.
    nationality could come into play within each particular band topic, thus making no nation more valid\promoted than others.
    ghost in the void: i'm not attacking the work you or the work you have put into the site, i made some suggestions. calm down.. and please don't trivialize my political and ideological views, especially since you don't know them..
     
  18. Solidaridad

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    If I upload something here I would prefer to inform just about the language. I am not interested in nations but this will be the decision of the peopleuploaded the music.
     
  19. theoldpunk

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    You can sort bands alphabetically yourself :)

    At the top of each forum it says 'Sort by' with two drop-down boxes. If you choose 'Subject' and 'Ascending' you'll get each post in alphabetical order. It's not perfect, but it's a handy trick to know.

    And I agree that we shouldn't seperate our music into different forums based on language. Put them all in one forum and let people add info in the post stating what the language is.

    Just my humble opinion :)