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Stalinists Attack Anarchists in Greece

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by SenI, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. SenI

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    This article is about the 48-hour general strike demonstrations of 19-20 October in Greece. It comments on the change of the police doctrine towards a “softer management of demonstrations” and the role of the Stalinists in “self-policing” the protests. This is a translation of an article written by TPTG (Ta Paidia Tis Galarias – ” The children of the gallery”). TPTG are an anti-authoritarian communist group from Athens who see communism not as a political ideology or dogma, but as a practical necessity stemming from the concrete, daily struggles of the proletariat within and against it.

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    Down with the Stalinists! Down with the Bureaucrats!

    We all experienced the nightmare that the Greek stalinists in co-operation with other leftist trade unionists and the cops created during the 48-hour strike in Greece on October 19 and 20 and some comrades in the anti-authoritarian milieu are badly wounded. We refer to the policing role of the KKE members: they were stationed in military formation in the area around the parliament, armed with helmets and sticks, facing the demonstrators with the riot squads behind them, preventing anyone from approaching, even asking for reporters’ identities and attacking fiercely later those in the crowd who defied their cordons. As the clashes started, the riot squads came for their protection attacking people with chemicals and flash-bang grenades evacuating the area. It was revealed later that the stalinists had made an agreement with the police so as to be allowed to police the demo themselves. According to our information, similar agreements were made between the KKE and other left parties’ or groupuscules’ unionists so that each was alloted a special place near the parliament accepting KKE’s hegemony. They later supported fully KKE in its denunciation of the ‘anarcho-fascists’, ‘parastatals’ etc, namely all those who were not part of the deal, not willing to accept it and tried to break their cordons.

    As the capitalist attack deepens, this Greek style of ‘self-policing’ of ‘problematic’ crowd events has signalled the comeback with a vengeance of the left political parties and the left unionist bureaucracy against a proletarian crowd that had managed to escape their mortal embrace last June in the squares movement (albeit in a very contradictory way). We can’t say whether this concerted public-order policing by the KKE and the professional police with the approval of most of the left and leftist organisations and unions is the visible part (in the streets) of a deal for a national unity government, but it certainly revealed very dramatically that the capitalist state has a lot of left-wing reserves as well as alternative police methods against us, as we argued in our two letters* on the progress of our enemies. Have a look at this extract we translated from an article in yesterday’s Eleftherotypia, a liberal newspaper of wide circulation:

    “It is obvious that attempts are being made at readapting the doctrine of the security forces’ involvement in the social reactions, which will escalate continuously. A society that suffers badly from the economic measures cannot be beaten up by the forces of repression which have not found or do not want to find a way to isolate those who regard violence as an end in itself.

    The events of recent days, if not marked by the death of the 53-year-old PAME trade unionist, could be seen as a sign of an effective change of the police doctrine towards a softer management of demonstrations.

    Indeed, in those two days that police were fully in a transitory phase in terms of its leadership team, the risk was double. Initially, the apparatus was led for two days by those available since changes in leadership were announced simultaneously with the big demonstrations. And even with the participation of Christofareizis C., who was recalled from retirement, the designer of the MAT [TN: the riot squad] in the ’90s, whose name was associated with the attack against pensioners out of Maximou [TN: the Presidential Mansion] in 1995. The other change observed was the return of the doctrine of self-control and inconspicuous granting of power to organized unions to self-guard the demonstrations.

    What happened on Thursday with PAME guarding its demo not only in a defensive but also in an offensive way at the Unknown Soldier monument was the beginning of a new tactic which gives room for self-regulation to the demonstrators that will have the first say in the prevention of the intrusion of troublemakers in the body of the mobilizations. And this is risky, because the incredible violence between protesters, while the police was discreetly absent, could have had more serious consequences. Although any police involvement might have had even worse consequences. In any case this tactic is likely to be applied again after consultations have been made.

    In this critical period it was clear that Chr. Papoutsis [TN: Minister of Public Order, or in the neo-orwellian language of PASOK government, Minister of Citizen Protection] wished for a softer administration at all levels of the Staff and not only at the leadership. That is why he transfered hardline officers that he thought they were damaging the image of the police due to the behaviour of policemen who had seriously injured protesters and professional journalists in recent months, during demonstrations. Obviously, for reasons of balance, the minister also hired an experienced veteran and put him in the position of the operation consultant.

    For over a year, the minister has been talking about a lack of democracy in the security forces and has threatened that he will not hesitate to attack some structures, units and commanders. Certainly these commanders were appointed by the same government two years ago, when the offensive doctrine was applied for the regaining of the streets, according to the official announcement that had been made then.

    The murder of student Al. Grigoropoulos had repercussions on the police as they were delegitimised in huge parts of the society, i.e. they were marginalized socially and professionally. There is an attempt now by the Ministry of Citizen Protection to reverse this disturbance of professional self-image and behaviour, in the worst period in decades, as the economic crisis is ruining people and cracks in social cohesion are increasing.” [TN: It is not surprising then that some riot squads were telling the demonstrators that they were there for their protection!] (Greek Police: softly-softly is the new doctrine, Eleftherotypia, 23/11/2011)

    However, the struggle against the cops of all colours and their diverse methods as well as against the capitalist attack on the working class goes on!

    TPTG

    www.tptg.gr

    Second day of nationwide general strike
    21.30 GMT+2 At least 10 police squads have chased people in Exarchia Square, Solomou and Stournari streets, fired tear gas and occupied the square. Armed police have also cordoned off the whole neighbourhood.

    As expected, the new finance bill was ratified.

    20.50 GMT+2 MPs’ session is continued undisturbed. The entire area of Syntagma is utterly evacuated by riot police, with street traffic back to normal.

    The total number of detainees/arrestees and injured protesters is yet unverified (but alternative media report almost 150 detentions so far).

    20.15 GMT+2 People are encircled by police outside Acropolis metro station (several may have also been trapped inside). Mass detentions are reported at the spot.

    Cops encircled Omonia metro stop and just attacked people inside the subway.

    19.20 GMT+2 After the police raid in Monastiraki, people fled inside the metro station and locked the doors, in order to protect themselves from police fury. The police and persecutors have ordered the evacuation of the subway station.

    Cops attacked protesters near the gates of Acropolis metro station where three detentions were reported; all three were set free thanks to the strong presence of people at the spot.

    Cops are now chasing people through the streets in the nearby area of Thissio.

    18.40 GMT+2 A 53-year-old man who participated in today’s Athens demo, is deceased.

    Confirmed information so far, according to the comrades of the free radio 98 FM who have contacted doctors:
    - The deceased (alleged member of PAME) was hospitalized experiencing chest discomfort, atrial fibrillation and respiratory problems, and terminated due to a heart attack. It is confirmed that the 53-year-old carried no head injuries (as originally reported in corporate media, twitter, etc.). He probably died from inhaling an excessive amount of tear gas shot by the Greek police. Another likely reason would be tension during the strike, or even dehydration. However, only the findings of the doctors can give us enlightenment.
    - This is NOT the same case of earlier rumours about a clinically dead protester —those were not true. The latter fell from a curb in Syntagma Square (he was never attacked by a stone). When he was offered first aid he was unconscious. He is elderly but NOT clinically deceased as the Power originally suggested for political reasons. In the past, political circles have spread rumours regarding dead people. The Power is ruthless.

    Police attacked people in Monastiraki; also in front of the parliament while Syntagma square has been completely occupied by repressive forces for about an hour.

    17.20 GMT+2 There are ongoing clashes between protesters and DIAS/DELTA motorcycle units in the alleys at the lower parts of Syntagma (in Ermou, Athinas, Monastiraki streets, among others). Few thousands have gathered in Syntagma, while more people try to gather in front of the parliament but are still blocked by cops at the side streets.

    17.10 GMT+2 PAME have largely left Syntagma square, protected by cops all the way; police squads and motorcycle cops attack people indiscriminately in Panepistimiou and Trikoupi streets.

    Cops have now taken over the guarding of the parliament. MPs’ votes for the new Finance multi-bill will be submitted anytime soon.

    17.00 GMT+2 Finally, PAME/KNE re-groups and prepares to leave from Amalias Street and Syntagma. Good riddance!

    16.50 GMT+2 At least one new police unit in Filellinon Street at the back of protesters. Police chased people away from there. Strikers from Ermou, Mitropoleos, Filellinon and Stadiou streets were repeatedly trying to approach Syntagma Square and the parliament bordello. Demonstrators were once more pulled back by the PAME security forces!

    Extensive use of tear gas and shock grenades by riot police; suffocating atmosphere in the area; people in numerous spots respond with stones and whatever they got.

    Meanwhile, many injured protesters are being transferred to hospitals. False rumours regarding one clinically dead (!) demonstrator have been circulating across Athens spreading terror, but have officially been refuted.

    16.30 GMT+2 Earlier in Rethymnon, on Crete Island, members of KNE threatened protesters with sticks, opposite the city hall.

    In Mytilini, on Lesvos Island, the assembly of the occupied Periphery decided to end the occupation with an evening demo, in about one hour when strikers will march in the city streets.

    16.20 GMT+2 Thousands of members of PAME are in front of the parliament. Police pulled back from the lower parts of Syntagma; smaller groups of anti-authoritarians, base unions and ultra left try to enter the square from the lower side; most union demonstrators still blocked in the side streets.

    The ministry of Finance in Mitropoleos Street is under occupation from strikers.

    16.10 GMT+2 Extensive use of tear gas now in Syntagma. Stalinists attacked demonstrators who tried to take the square.


    ‘My left boss leaves me unemployed while (the “communist” party) KKE asks for my vote’
    15.45 GMT+2 There are still demonstrators in Amalias Street, in front of the parliament, as well as in Fillelinon and Mitropoleos streets. The square is evacuated and encircled by cops, though. The Stalinists are still blocking access.

    It must be clear that PAME and KNE are not communists. They are Stalinist snitches and ruffians who work for the regime. Today, they have handed more demonstrators to the police —as they have done in numerous cases in the past, i.e. back in 1998.

    15.30 GMT+2 Full-on police attack to clear Syntagma. Large crowd pushed down Ermou Street.

    A coordinated police raid along Pesmazoglou and Stadiou streets.

    15.25 GMT+2 Clashes between anarchists and Stalinists mainly in Filellinon and Voukourestiou streets.

    Generalized violence across much of Syntagma. More Molotovs and stones thrown at the Stalinist crowd. Earlier police attempted to enter the square from Stadiou and to trap anarchists.

    15.20 GMT+2 Severe injured protesters (at least 20) are constantly being transferred to the medical centre of Syntagma Square. PAME/ΚΝΕ members seem to have direct contact with police officers and handed at least one (most probably anarchist) protester to the police. They also attacked insurrectionist demonstrators. Now protesters counterattack the cops and the scumbags of PAME/ΚΝΕ.

    THERE’S AN URGENT NEED OF MORE PEOPLE IN SYNTAGMA!

    15.00 GMT+2 Clashes are escalating in Syntagma; colours, stones and Molotov cocktails thrown into Stalinist crowd.

    14.50 GMT+2 Members of the movement ‘Den Plirono’ (I won’t pay!) first took a stance against PAME union’s ‘safeguard’ near the Hotel Grande Bretagne. Then blocks of anti-authoritarians arrived, as well as the Anarchists’ Assembly for Social Self-determination.

    Clashes erupted as protesters tried to reach the parliament. A huge anarchist block attacked Stalinist lines. They are face to face by the Great Britain Hotel in Syntagma. Police fired tear gas. The clashes are severe; flares were shot straight into the crowd. Generalized clashes between hundreds of anarchists and Stalinists in Syntagma; stones, bottles and flares are thrown. Protesters tried to break through PAME lines to reach the parliament.

    In Syntagma and along Panepistimiou Street members of PAME swear at rioters and have even beaten several up.

    14.20 GMT+2 In Athens, six to seven detentions were reported in Klathmonos Square, near Dragatsaniou Street —at least three detainees are minors. At least one witness who called the free radio 98 FM but also tried to contact the Legal Aid team as well as the Athens police headquarters, testified that the cops had one or more bottles on them which they attempted to charged on the detainees.

    At least seven more detentions by motorcycle cops were made in Athinas Street (near Monastiraki metro stop). Many passers-by were seen applauding the bastards cops there!

    13.20 GMT+2 In Athens, once again the Stalinists of PAME union have lined up before the police squads and in front of the plexiglass-iron wall next to the side of the parliament, not allowing people to get anywhere close to them. Members of PAME, several with sticks and helmets, have even requested journalistic identities from protesters who express a growing discontent.

    In Heraklion, on Crete Island, strikers made an intervention–blockage of the fast food chain store Goody’s.

    In Mytilini, on Lesvos Island, about 400 people participated in the demo. Upcoming actions will be decided during a general assembly in the occupied building of the Periphery.

    13.10 GMT+2 In Thessaloniki, groups of demonstrators along with the Union of Waiters, Cooks and all Workers in the Food Industry blocked restaurants and cafés in Proxenou Koromila Street which were open despite the general strike. They moved to Iktinou Street for the same reason.

    13.00 GMT+2 Patras had a quite disappointing demonstration of around 1,000 strong.

    12.30 GMT+2 Workers in municipalities (POE-OTA) are applauded by other demonstrators as they reach Filellinon Street with direction towards Syntagma.

    It has been reported that members of KNE, the youth wing of the ‘Communist’ Party of Greece (KKE), have attacked other demonstrators in the northwestern city of Ioannina.

    12.20 GMT+2 A group of people who hold Greek flags moved from Ermou Street to Syntagma Square, unfolding their national rags at the Unknown Soldier Monument.

    12.00 GMT+2 A police helicopter is flying above Exarchia. Small groups of plainclothes cops are spread all over the streets of downtown Athens. As was reported yesterday by various protesters, it is hard to differentiate these thugs from other demonstrators and is easy to get trapped, beaten and even detained.

    11.40 GMT+2 The Stalinists of PAME are already in Syntagma. Comrades report that they line up holding sticks, in order to secure the reactionary character of their pathetic rally while they block other demonstrators to move on the sidewalk of the Unknown Soldier Monument in front of the parliament. At the moment there is no police presence (at least immediately visible). The Stalinists are about to play once more the role of the cops, in order to suppress any possible actions of insurgency.

    11.20 GMT+2 In Athens the crowd is already thick in Propylaea and in Syntagma Square. Two central metro stops (Syntagma and Evangelismos) are once again closed. There’s still the stink of tear gas from the day before. (In case of arrest, people should speak out loud their names to fellow protesters.)

    10.30 GMT+2 Pre-gatherings for the second day of the nationwide general strike have already begun. Yesterday the strike mobilizations saw hundreds of thousands on the streets of numerous Greek cities (some estimates were as large as half a million in Athens alone). Yesterday, all 154 members of the ruling party of PASOK approved the new multi-bill of austerity measures introduced by the Finance minister Evangelos Venizelos.

    Today, MPs will take a final vote in favour or against this bill which aims at the further deterioration of the lives of millions. The armed pigs of the democratic dictatorship, the collaborationist unionists, the corporate media and all types of fascists have been trying to suppress by any means the overflow of rage and an upcoming social revolt. It remains to be seen if people will manage to overcome fear and corporate propaganda, raising barricades of resistance and taking down the apparatus of the State and the Capital.

    https://en.contrainfo.espiv.net/2011/10 ... t-updates/

    Photos of event fights:

    http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3? ... id=1345001
    http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3? ... id=1345136
     

  2. SenI

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    Stalinists are fuckers! I'm more convinced that those bastard to trust and cooperation with them is impossible. They are even worse bourgeois. Fucking scum!
     
  3. stonakis Poppakis

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    i hope that more anarchist are comming to Greece to support our commrades . in this time the knat kke and mat are working again together and playing police . so we need only to travel to Greece from all over the world and start there a solidarity brigade for sure they can fight by their own but now is the time to show our solidarity
    and face all together the situation if we are screaming all over the world " one struggle one fight" lets do it now .
    there is a time where we writing but now is coming the time where we are fighting
    no gods no masters
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  5. ungovernable

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    Cool, anyone wanna discuss about common fronts and how cool are alliances with authoritarians communists, again ?
     
  6. butcher

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    So, like, how cool are common fronts and alliances with authoritarians communists? Discuss.

    :p
     
  7. nike

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    so from what i hear the KKE isn't really the problem, neither it's PAME with its 450000 members as a whole - but the PAME-cadres of "Communist Renewal"
    (greek: kομμουνιστική aνανέωση/kommounistiki ananeosi (KA) -
    they are a very ambitious little annoyance, (spanish PCE anybody?!) fighting mainly the red-green movement since they were splitting from "renewing communist ecological left" (AKOA) in february 2000. their leaders were dissatisfied with the upcoming cooperation between AKOA and Synaspismos (kinda canopy party of the euro-communists and other leftists including the greens). KA then aligned with the KKE in the 2000 elections, the alliance with KKE broke after the elections disc, but rekindled for the Greek local elections, 2006 - smells like playing the kingmaker while the communists still have to fight it out?
    guess they are very cool for everybody else but decent anarchists, so i think we can do without them, the usual scrambling for the steering wheel isn't real sexy too and in general we have lots of more important things to do, so we just don't have the time...
    "international support" is a fine thing and i really wish there would be more information getting out of greece besides the riot top news, there's a whole lotta more done by our comrades in collectives and communes.
    but "international brigades" weren't that constructive in the past, i would prefer a healthy mix with the greek comrades and their groups, helps getting a whiff of whats going on and clearing the special greek situation.
     
  8. ungovernable

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    The only trotskyst i would ally with is....... you !! :)
     
  9. vAsSiLy77

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    lousy trot, even more lousy stalinist breaking election-bait-promises - and worst of all: god fearing christian...
    WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE GREAT LEAP FORWARD!!! o_O
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  10. butcher

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    What broken promises?
    ritual whippings have been happening and my voice is hoarse as fuck.
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2643JxDjd4[/video]

    Or are you just disappointed I've only been putting out in the wrong hemisphere?
     
  11. nike

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    leaping forward is off toppix! :ecouteurs:
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    D I S A P P O I N T E D ? ? ?
    come on, it's been almost 60 years since the last euro-tour! {pleure} (sneezing in my komsomol-neckerchief) {pleure}
     
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  13. vAsSiLy77

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    Nike Mihailowna... YOU produced squeaky noises with the great steersman some 65 years ago? :o

    this is very interesting, of course there are a numbers of official dementis, but:
    +
    the german wik-article is a bit more detailed about their doings in haiti, bosnia, afghanistan.
     
  14. nike

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    it wasn't me - that was Gobblez the Eternal in his divine aspect as mother russia...

    and see: EUROGENDFOR has even bajonetts like in the good old days...
    guess we'll be lucky to get only shot some day! :o
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    a typo - isn't it LENIN again?! damned commies get everywhere...
     
  15. vAsSiLy77

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    so we have Marianne and Britannia - and now Russia...
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    in case germania shows up too, we should increase his medication again... o_O
     
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