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Smut peddlers racist or not?

Discussion in 'North America & Pacific Region' started by Fuckoff, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. Fuckoff

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    So I’m a pretty big follower of smut, and enjoy their music but obviously, they attract a bit of a Nazi crowd. I have even had friends joke about me being a Nazi for liking there shit. Anyone got an opinion on this?
     

  2. punkmar77

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    They aren't nazi obviously, though ambiguity is fucking wack, their Iron Cross logos are fucking wack, using the N word in a song is unnecessary and fucking wack, and the problems they've brought on themselves with a nazi following are self inflicted. It's Orange County for fucks sake.
     
  3. Fuckoff

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    Fair enough
     
  4. Lurker_Rob_

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    Slayer also use to flock around them and they're adamantly not a racist band.

    Don't worry about the opinions of others go to a show have fun, the weight of the world isn't about who is a nazi or not.
     
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  5. 1xAntifa

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    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Nazi's are a threat to us all. If you don't meet their definition of white, ur fucked. If you are a political dissenter against their party line, ur fucked. If you are disabled, ur fucked. If you have a mental illness, ur fucked. If you believe in democracy, ur fucked. If you are LGBQTI, you are fucked. If you follow the wrong religion, ur fucked. If you are considered asocial, ur fucked. If you use drugs, ur fucked. If ur trades unionist, ur fucked. If you are a progressive green, ur fucked.
    These are the groups of people that nazi's persecuted whilst in power, this is historical fact. Suggest you educate yourself before so flippantly dismissing the threat that neo-nazi's represent to the overwhelming majority in our societies!

    Do you get the fucking picture now?
     
  6. anarchodyke

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    i read the title of this thread and my gay ass brain went somewhere very very different smh
     
  7. The Hat

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    I truly don't mean to cause any trouble, but what about Patti Smith, John Lennon, Crass, The Avengers, and/or Dead Kennedys?

    OK, I still to this day don't get what Patti Smith was trying to convey in her song, but the other bands I mentioned seemed to either use the N word symbolically, or as an ironic way to take a stand against racism.

    And let's not forget Lenny Bruce, and Mark Twain.

    I got in trouble recently for reciting the lyrics to White Punks on Hope at an open mike, and nobody would listen to the message that song conveys, or my explanation of why that word was used.

    Believe me when I tell you that I have first hand knowledge of the devastation that word causes, and the destruction that it leaves behind. I've lived in the same neighborhood for approx 45 years, and when i first moved here, a phenomenon called "The White Flight" was taking place. Simply put, people of color were moving in, and white people were leaving in droves. I won't go into long boring detail of what the end result is, or what I have witnessed and experienced, but all I can say is that I can't walk down the same streets I used to be able to walk down 45 years ago without getting stopped by the police because they think that a white person in an all black neighborhood is only in that neighborhood to score drugs. I am lucky that there are still a few people who have lived in the neighborhood as long as I have, and have known me for that long, and can vouch for me and my family, but that doesn't always stop the harassment either by the police, or new neighbors who are not used to seeing caucasians walk down their street.

    That being said, I always cringe a little when I see bands using the Iron Cross as a form of Iconography or symbology, even if they're not racist, and it's just for "Shock value". Also, while I believe in artistic freedom of expression, if it isn't necessary to use the N word to make a statement or get your point across, then maybe it's better that you don't if you can find an alternative to that word. That's a word that shouldn't be bandied about freely and casually.

    These are just my feelings based on my own personal life experiences, and I'm sorry if I upset anybody with this post/response.
     
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  8. The Hat

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    It's pretty much that way almost anyplace you go.

    I mean you're right, but it's not just Nazis who are like this. Even you're intelligent to know enough history that almost every "Socialist" country is the same way. Fidel Castro? Mao Tse Tung? Hugo Chavez? Daniel Ortega?

    Maybe Salvadore Allende was assassinated by The C.I.A. after getting elected as President of Chile, and Augusto Pinochet is responsible for the suffering and deaths of many equal to Hitler, but I still wonder what might've happened if Allende hadn't been killed. Could we truly say things would be any different?

    While I agree with your post, my point is they didn't corner the market on quashing dissent through torture, imprisonment, and genocide.
     
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  9. 1xAntifa

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    True but we're not facing a resurgence of leninism/stalinism [except in Russia]. We are however dealing with an explosion of fascist, neo-nazi and white supremacism due to the bankruptcy of neoliberalism. Neoliberalism destroyed the left and opened the floodgates for fascists of all stripes globally.
     
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  10. Lurker_Rob_

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    Dude you need to chill out.

    Think about how your words make you sound? Pretentious much?

    I know Nazi's are a threat if I see them I'm not going to be polite or kiss ass.

    I do have a family and I am not going to start shit with some randoms.

    I get you might have some serious convictions however it is not worth your life if no one is fucking with you.
     
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  12. Lurker_Rob_

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    Okay bud this site isn't a pissing contest, maybe it's a place to reflect ideas good and bad also to rationalize thoughts and actions instead of sounding the way you do....

    Good for you on being a parent, (your mum should be embarrassed and your dad should've pulled out) Hopefully they won't be such an arrogant asshat as yourself, I mean are you trying to connect with me in a patronizing way? because it comes off as fucking really pathetic.

    You come off as self righteous prick, maybe think that not everyone has to have a hive mind like yourself.

    You do realize we are worlds apart and EVERYDAY I see Trumps palace of shit and gold, I live in the ghetto by the sea every chance I get to I throw my dogs shit on his lawn.

    It's dipshits like yourself that ruin those direct action and blac blok meetings.. For your calling out others for their own differences and opinions, maybe not sound like a insufferable arrogant twat who posts your involvement via instagram or FB.
     
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  13. 1xAntifa

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    So all you've got is personal insults like asshat huh? You cannot address the substance of what was said.I can't be arsed arguing with you.so GO FUCK YOURSELF and take your shitty liberal cowardice with you. Keep on supporting nazi bands twathead.
     
  14. Lurker_Rob_

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    Boy you're cute when your angry, might want to blow me a kiss afterwards.
     
  15. The Hat

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    MESSAGE TO 1xANTIFA AND LURKER_ROB

    DON'T FORGET TO BREATHE!

    I think we ALL need to take a deep breathe, hold it in for a few seconds and then exhale!

    I would like to believe that we are ALL on the same page when it comes to fighting fascism and oppression, even if our techniques differ, we don't quite see eye to eye, and we do it in our own special way.

    I can understand the whole outlook of "If they're not bothering me, then I have no problem with them" laissez faire "Live and let live" attitude.

    HOWEVER........ for many people, myself included, just the mere presence of people like that in and of itself is bothersome. Maybe if they're just keeping to themselves, and/or just hanging out with their friends and not bothering anybody, you think there is no problem, but that doesn't mean one should keep their guard down. These people need to, at the very least BE WATCHED CLOSELY. In Chicago, we have dealt with many people, sometimes openly racist, sometimes just a bunch or troublemaking jerks, try to use their muscle to bully, harass, and intimidate people because they thought they had enough people to merely grab the power to throw their weight around. I suggest looking for the "Punk Gangs" thread in the forum where I talk extensively about the problems Chicago has had in the past with the Chi-Town 77 Street Punks, Chicago Mafia Skinheads, et al.

    Back in the 1980s one of the first skinhead crews, Chicago Area Skinheads (C.A.S.H.) used to come to shows and try to recruit naive youth by selling Gestapo death head shirts and Skrewdriver cassettes. When people confronted them peacefully, and told them nobody was interested, they started fights, and got shows shut down. It got so bad that a majority of places in Chicago didn't even want to book punk shows anymore because they were afraid C.A.S.H. were going to show up, and start trouble. In fact, for many years, The Metro wouldn't book ANY punk shows because in 1987 after a D.O.A. concert, C.A.S.H. showed up, and a riot erupted. (Metro will book some punk shows every blue moon, but they're still skittish about it after all these years)

    Also, a few years back The Cockney Rejects came and played Chicago for the very first time, and. once again, members of C.A.S.H. showed up. Thankfully no riots broke out, but there were quite a few fist fights, the police patrolled the area quite heavily, and the tension in the air was so thick that you could cut it with a knife. Members of C.A.S.H. S.H.O.C. and F.C.S.H. were all ready to kill each other with innocent bystanders getting hurt or worse if they got in the way. Luckily, cooler heads prevailed, and old timers remembered what happened in 87, and NOBODY wanted another club closing their doors to punk shows.

    Now, I'm NOT advocating that one gathers any and all information on the idiots with ignorant ideology that comes to punk shows, post their address, phone number, e-mail address, license plate number, and place of employment on public display online. That's a VERY dangerous thing to do, and one could, at the very least, get hurt, or much worse. BUT just remember what Crass said: Watch out for the quiet ones at the back! And NEVER forget the words of Father Niemoller! (Not going to post the quote verbatim. Look it up for yourself, but don't forget, when there's nobody there to speak out for you YOU WILL BE NEXT!)

    And recently, around the time of The Cockney Rejects gig, and even years before that, we had a bunch of boneheads calling themselves the Chi-Town 77 Street Punks who would go to shows and start trouble. These people would fuck with anybody that didn't fit their definition of "Punk". They were known to harass and sometimes become physically violent with anarchists, crusties, the homeless, people who went to shows who didn't dress punk, (Whatever the hell that is) just basically anybody they didn't like. Again I refer to my posts in the "Punk Gangs' thread as I don't want to go into detail about it here.

    Now, I hope I don't come across as condescending, or patronizing, but I think 1xAntifa was merely trying to make a point. It might of come across as caustic, and maybe even slightly antagonistic, but he was trying to make a very important point, and has been through some personal life experiences where he might be passionate in his response, and if you saw the world through his eyes, and walked a mile/kilometer in his shoes, you might understand why he posted what he posted and feels the way he does. That's why I posted my response reminding him that Nazis didn't invent or corner the market on oppression, torture and genocide. He firmly
    reminded me that the attitude of neo-liberalism has opened the floodgates to a new breed of fascists who are waiting in the wings and salivating at the jaws to just come in and take over and make things worse. Remember what I posted earlier in this response concerning Crass and Father Niemoller. (OOPS! I accidentally hit the "Return" bar. Sorry for the cock up!)

    If I can make a confession at this point, the song White Punks on Hope has been playing in my head for a few months now, ever since I got in trouble for reciting the lyrics as a spoken word piece at an open mike, and everybody heard the N word, and nobody got the message the song was originally trying to convey. I even tried to give the host of the open mike a copy of the lyrics, but they would have none of it, and accused me of making "Excuses".

    I'd like to believe that we all would like to do our part to educate people about what is happening in the world today, no matter where one lives about the tyranny and oppression that is creeping into the every day lives of the world we live in, but when we start calling each other names, and throw around accusations which may or may not be baseless we solve NOTHING. Those we claim to stand up to and oppose are already WINNING when we make the statements that have already been posted against each other. DON'T FALL INTO THEIR TRAP!

    No, we don't have to agree on everything, and we don't even have to like one another, but if we don't keep an eye on what's REALLY important, they will divide us, and THEY WILL WIN!

    It was not my intention to cause any trouble, or stir up any controversy or bitter feelings, but I have been on too many forums and chat rooms where a mere disagreement or misunderstanding have turned into internet flame wars, and I would like to think that all parties concerned are ABOVE that. I've left quite a few sites because of differences like these. Accusations, and name callings solve NOTHING!

    I would like to think that this site is a site not only to discover new music, and, quite possibly make some new on line friends, but also be a free form exchange of personal ideas and opinions, and maybe, no matte how much we might differ, we might still be able to learn something from one another.

    Disagreements are one things, but if discussions like that which have been posted in this thread continue to escalate, I might well consider closing my account. (I probably won't since there's a lot of great music to listen to here, but cooler heads MUST prevail. Somebody once said IF WE DON'T HANG TOGETHER, THEN WE SHALL SURELY HANG SEPARATELY!)
     
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    Fair enough and I value you and Antifa opinions.

    I wrote to him in a dm explaining we got off on a wrong foot and for that I do apologize.

    I use to live in Chicago 96' to 99' And have dealt with 77's many factions of their stupid gangs, I know this sounds ableist but they do come across as idiots especially the thug mentality as you've spoken punk gangs thread it is quite pervasive.

    I realize live and let live sometimes doesn't fly with others, hell as I've gotten older it really is just you and your family that is going to sort you throughout.

    Like I have stated beforehand I have had my ass in the mix with others in various causes, but here's the kicker prison time isn't something I am willing to do over again.

    Lost a lot of good friends who've gotten mixed up in political causes and gotten their heads kicked in or someone falling from a redwood tree after their food and stuff was cut by logger spiderman.

    Now I can understand having no tolerance for nazi's in general but the result of which when I do care is either two ways either death or in prison, I'm not going back to prison and if a nazi is starting shit and I have to choose between life and prison he's not coming home, and I'm bailing.
     
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    If you've served time, then I can understand you not wanting to take part in any activity that could send you back.

    I can also appreciate the fact that direct action/confrontation isn't for everyone.

    For some odd reason the 77s never bothered me personally, but they had fucked with a few friends of mine in the past. I still see one or two at shows but they don't wear the vest anymore, and, as I've stated elsewhere, most of them moved to Milwaukee.

    Thanks for the thoughtful and intelligent response.
     
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    Only reason I got fucked with by the 77's was I use to sell quite a few different substances and they got burned by me for an ounce of yayo.

    I was at fireside bowl seeing a few friends off and tried to bail but got the shit kicked out of me, I left town shortly thereafter.

    Me being me I thought oh there's no way they can find me, nope pretty fucking obvious if you don't have clippers and I had a huge mohawk.
     
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    Not to get too personal, but what show? Who was playing? I used to go to Fireside a bit when there was somebody I really wanted to see. Those were the good old days.

    Never a good idea to burn people on a drug deal, but I think you probably learned your lesson.
     
  20. Lurker_Rob_

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    I think it was pop punk show, The Nobody's and some other corny punk bands playing something I wouldn't have been seen going to at the time.

    (I use to be that too cool guy) now I actually appreciate all shows corny or not.

    I use to stay in Blue Island at a halfway house, Chicago is a weird place, I'm from Atlanta originally and if it's not in little 5 points then it's outside of the city or at a house/warehouse show.