Rebels are winning in Libya

ungovernable · Aug 21, 2011

Live streaming here:

http://go.sky.com/vod/page/playLiveTv.do

horrorpunk666 · Aug 21, 2011

Ghaddifi has fled Liba after his post- loss press release

the people have gained their freedom.. just in time for America to take it

butcher · Aug 21, 2011

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Libyan rebels in Tripoli's central square
Gaddafi's defences collapse in a dramatic turning of the tides in the 6-month-old civil war.

Euphoric Libyan rebels have moved into the centre of capital Tripoli as Muammar Gaddafi's defenders melted away and thousands of jubilant civilians rushed out of their homes to cheer the long convoys of pickup trucks packed with fighters shooting in the air.

The rebels' surprising and speedy leap forward, after six months of largely deadlocked civil war, was packed into just a few dramatic hours. By nightfall on Sunday, they had advanced more than 32km to Tripoli.

Zeina Khodr, Al Jazeera's correspondent, said from the Green Square: "There's a party in the Libyan capital tonight. The people are in charge of the city. They've decided the square is now called Martyr's Square, the original name. They're shouting "we're free" and shooting at a poster of Gaddafi."

Green Square has been the site of night rallies by Gaddafi supporters throughout the uprising.

Earlier, the rebel leadership said on Sunday that two sons of embattled Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi had been arrested.

Seif al-Islam and Mohammed were arrested in a tourist village in western Tripoli, Abu Bakr al-Tarbulsi, a rebel spokesman told Al Jazeera from the Libyan capital. There was no word on the whereabouts of Gaddafi.

Mohammed Gaddafi, spoke to Al Jazeera Arabic for a live interview a short while ago, in which he took a very apologetic tone and said it was a lack of wisdom that caused the revolution and crisis in Libya.

As he spoke though, his house was attacked and shot at and the interview ended with the sound of gunfire.

Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, said Seif al-Islam Gaddafi has been detained and the ICC will speak to the rebel National Transitional Council about his transfer to the Hague.

There were unconfirmed reports that two South African air force planes were spotted at Tripoli airport.

Speculation was rife that the planes were there to ferry Gaddafi out of Libya but Mahmoud Shamam, of the NTC told Al Jazeera that it is unlikely the planes were meant for that purpose as the “entire area” was under rebel control. He added that he "did not believe that Gaddafi is in Tripoli".

The rebels said they had entered the Green Square near the compound of Gaddafi where his supporters gathered nightly throughout the uprising to rally for their leader of more than 40 years.

Our correspondent said the rebels met little resistance as they moved from the western outskirts into the capital in a dramatic turning of the tides in the six-month-old Libyan civil war.

"Hundreds are on the street, and most of them are armed. Most of these are fighters who came down from the mountains in western areas of Libya. They entered the capital a few hours ago and with the opposition inside the capital, have managed to liberate the city from the government's control," our correspondent said.

"Everyone we have been talking to in Libya say that they want to Gaddafi and his son to pay for their action and for what they accuse them as crimes against humanity.

"People are worried about sleeper cells but cleaning up operations are underway to make sure there are no snipers in the buildings nearby.

"For the people here, Tripoli has fallen and they are in control ... and this is what they have been telling us: 'For years we could not speak, prevented from any sort of freedom whatsoever’.

"People are confident that the government has fallen and they are in control."

Military unit surrenders

A senior rebel official said the military unit in charge of protecting Muammar Gaddafi and the capital Tripoli has surrendered.

Mahmoud Shamam, of the the NTC told the Associated Press news agency that the unit commander "has joined the revolution and ordered his soldiers to drop their weapons."

Earlier in the day, the rebels overran a major military base defending the capital, carted away truckloads of weapons and raced to Tripoli with virtually no resistance.

NATO role

"What we're seeing tonight is the regime crumbling," chief NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu told AFP news agency of the rebel push in the capital.

"What you are seeing tonight is the cumulative effect, over time, of the eroded capabilities of the regime," Lungescu said, citing more than 4,000 military targets damaged or destroyed in the last four months.

"We are not taking part in any formal coordination on the ground," she maintained. "That's not the mandate -- we're not there to provide immediate assistance, or cover, if you like, yes.

"Obviously, though, we do track what's happening on the ground -- and if we see tanks or other equipment going out to attack, we fire," she said of the rebels' aerial umbrella.

The United States government late on Sunday repeated its conclusion that Gaddafi's grip on power is near an end.

"Gaddafi's days are numbered," US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said. "If Gaddafi cared about the welfare of the Libyan people, he would step down now."

Gaddafi defiant

Gaddafi's whereabouts were unknown. But he delivered a series of angry and defiant audio messages broadcast on state television. He was not shown in the messages. In the latest one, he acknowledged that the opposition forces were moving into Tripoli and warned the city would be turned into another Baghdad.

"How come you allow Tripoli the capital, to be under occupation once again?" he said. "The traitors are paving the way for the occupation forces to be deployed in Tripoli."

In it, he refused to surrender and pledged to emerge "victorious" from the fighting for Tripoli. He also called on the people of Libya to come from all regions to liberate Tripoli, saying he was in the city with them and that together they would fight to the end.

"We will not, we will not abandon Tripoli to the occupants and their agents. I am with you in this battle," he said.

"We do not surrender and, by God's grace, we will emerge victorious."

Gunfire and explosions were reported near the Bab al-Aziziyah - a sprawling regime command and control compound - and in the Souq al-Jomaa and Abu Sita neighbourhoods.

Rebels said some regime troops defending the Mitiga air base in the capital had abandoned their posts.

Taher, a resident near the Bab al-Aziziyah, told Al Jazeera that men in his neighbourhood, some of whom were armed with AK-47 assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers, had begun protesting last night and blocked the roads.

Around 30 to 40 regime security forces responded on Sunday morning with assault rifles and anti-aircraft guns. Some took positions on the rooftops of the nearby Nigerian Embassy and an eye clinic and opened fire, forcing the men to take cover inside the walled compounds of neighbourhood homes.

Youssef, another Tripoli resident who lives in the Abu Sita neighbourhood, said regime gunmen had taken positions on the top of the nearby Libyana mobile company building and were firing indiscriminately, as other forces launched mortar rounds. The streets in the area were deserted, he said, as occasional gunfire and booming explosions could be heard in the background.

The rebel flag, a tricoloured emblem of the country's first post-colonial days, flew over many buildings in the neighbourhood, he said.

"We are waiting for the revolutionaries to come to conquer Tripoli, because we don't have weapons to defend ourselves," he said.

"Gaddafi troops are using heavy artillery and heavy weapons, and we don't know what's going to
happen in the next two to three hours."

Operation Mermaid Dawn'

A senior official in the rebel National Transitional Council (NTC) said on Sunday that operations in Tripoli were co-ordinated between opponents of Gaddafi in the city and the rebels in the east.

"The zero hour has started. The rebels in Tripoli have risen up," said Abdel Hafiz Ghoga, vice-chairman of the NTC, in the eastern city of Benghazi.

"There is co-ordination with the rebels in Tripoli. This was a pre-set plan. They've been preparing for a while. There's co-ordination with the rebels approaching from the east, west and south," he said.

Colonel Fadlallah Haroun, a military commander in Benghazi, said the battles marked the beginning of Operation Mermaid Dawn. Tripoli's nickname in Libya is "Bride of the Sea," or mermaid.

Haroun told the AP news agency that weapons were assembled and sent by tugboats to Tripoli on Friday night.

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Bentheanarchist · Aug 21, 2011

I am very critical of the Libyan rebels. I think they are state puppets.

vAsSiLy77 · Aug 22, 2011

Cheer up! The oil prices will be slippin'! Forbes' sayez and I wonder what will become of the 100.000.000 euro humanitarian support for the lybians promised by berlins...

ungovernable · Aug 22, 2011

watched the streaming news from libya the whole day yesterday.... rebels now control tripolli and are in Green Square.... People were still fearing a "blood bath" and think that tripolli could become lile bagdag, but so far nothing...

I wouldn't say they gained their freedom. I would say they won the fight to put down their dictator. Let's hope they will finish the revolution instead of doing something in Tunisia... Look where they are now... They need to make another revolution because the transitory government is almost as worse as Ben Ali was... People are rising again in tunisia, because the revolution was incomplete.

These revolutions are good, we should support them and all, but never forget that it's a revolution against the current dictator in place, not a revolution against the system that is the source of all these problems.... During the whole revolution we never heard of class war, anti-capitalism or radical social changes....

Bentheanarchist · Aug 22, 2011

I still question the Libyan rebels though. Something about them doesn't sound right. Their support from The United States is really questionable. Libya is a oil goldmine and Gaddafi was in control of the oil since he took power, and that is why The United States helped the Libyan rebels in Tripoli.

punkmar77 · Aug 22, 2011

Nobody ↑ :

I am very critical of the Libyan rebels. I think they are state puppets.

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....you already said that remember?

ViciousCesar! · Aug 22, 2011

I'm not very knowledgeable on the on goings in Libya. But I did find this video interesting...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLQAUUpJwU[/video]

nike · Aug 22, 2011

at least a good timeline is to be found here, for my tast it's a bit short about the NATO-part in the war, but it's mentioning aspects like this:

Nobody ↑ :

Libya's purchasing power parity (PPP) GDP per capita in 2010 was €12,000 ($14,878); its human development index in 2010 was 0.755; and its literacy rate in 2009 was 87%. These numbers were better than in Egypt and Tunisia, whose revolutions preceded the outbreak of protests in Libya. Libyan citizens were considered to be well-educated and to have a high standard of living. The average income among Libyan citizens was €7,500 ($12,000) per year. This specific situation creates a wider contrast between good education, high demand for democracy, and the government's practices (perceived corruption, political system, supply of democracy).
Libya's corruption perception index in 2010 was 2.2, which was worse than that of Egypt and Tunisia, two neighbouring states that had uprisings preceding Libya's.

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maybe the libyans won't get fooled as easy as the tunesians or the egypt...

vAsSiLy77 · Aug 23, 2011

Nobody ↑ :

The ANSWER Coalition is publishing the following analysis, perspective, and factual information on the war in Libya to help cut through the government propaganda and media lies that work to cover up the truth of the Libyan revolt and NATO intervention designed to overthrow the Libyan government.

Did you know that the Libyan rebels are under the direct military leadership of British and French commando units?
Did you know that British, French and U.S. forces have conducted 7,459 bombing attacks on Libya and its military forces?
Did you know what the Wikileaks cables showed about why the U.S. wanted to install a new Libya government?

The Truth About the Situation in Libya

By Brian Becker, National Coordinator, ANSWER Coalition
(http://www.ANSWERCoalition.org)
Libya is a small country of just over 6 million people but it possesses the largest oil reserves in all of Africa. The oil produced there is especially coveted because of its particularly high quality.

The Air Force of the United States along with Britain and France has carried out 7,459 bombing attacks since March 19. Britain, France and the United States sent special operation ground forces and commando units to direct the military operations of the so-called rebel fighters – it is a NATO- led army in the field.

The troops may be disaffected Libyans but the operation is under the control and direction of NATO commanders and western commando units who serve as “advisors.” Their new weapons and billions in funds come from the U.S. and other NATO powers that froze and seized Libya’s assets in Western banks. Their only military successes outside of Benghazi, in the far east of the country, have been exclusively based on the coordinated air and ground operations of the imperialist NATO military forces.

In military terms, Libya’s resistance to NATO is of David and Goliath proportions. U.S. military spending alone is more than ten times greater than Libya’s entire annual Gross Domestic Product (GDP) which was $74.2 billion in 2010, according to the CIA’s World Fact Book.

In recent weeks, the NATO military operations used surveillance-collecting drones, satellites, mounting aerial attacks and covert commando units to decapitate Libya’s military and political leadership and its command and control capabilities. Global economic sanctions meant that the country was suddenly deprived of income and secure access to goods and services needed to sustain a civilian economy over a long period.

“The cumulative effect [of NATO’s coordinated air and ground operation] not only destroyed Libya’s military infrastructure but also greatly diminished Colonel Gaddafi’s commanders to control forces, leaving even committed fighting units unable to move, resupply or coordinate operations,“ reports the New York Times in a celebratory article on August 22.

A False Pretext

The United States, United Kingdom, France, and Italy targeted the Libyan government for overthrow or “regime change” not because these governments were worried about protecting civilians or to bring about a more democratic form of governance in Libya.

If that were the real motivation of the NATO powers, they could start the bombing of Saudi Arabia right away. There are no elections in Saudi Arabia. The monarchy does not even allow women to drive cars. By law, women must be fully covered in public or they will go to prison. Protests are rare in Saudi Arabia because any dissent is met with imprisonment, torture and execution.

The Saudi monarchy is protected by U.S. imperialism because it is part of an undeclared but real U.S. sphere of influence and it is the largest producer of oil in the world. The U.S. attitude toward the Saudi monarchy was put succinctly by Ronald Reagan in 1981, when he said that the U.S. government “will not permit” revolution in Saudi Arabia such as the 1979 Iranian revolution that removed the U.S. client regime of the Shah. Reagan’s message was clear: the Pentagon and CIA’s military forces would be used decisively to destroy any democratic movement against the rule of the Saudi royal family.

Reagan’s explicit statement in 1981 has in fact been the policy of every successive U.S. administration, including the current one.

Libya and Imperialism

Libya, unlike Saudi Arabia, did have a revolution against its monarchy. As a result of the 1969 revolution led by Muammar Gaddafi, Libya was no longer in the sphere of influence of any imperialist country.

Libya had once been an impoverished colony of Italy living under the boot heel of the fascist Mussolini. After the Allied victory in World War II, control of the country was formally transferred to the United Nations and Libya became independent in 1951 with authority vested in the monarch King Idris.

But in actuality, Libya was controlled by the United States and Britain until the 1969 revolution.

One of the first acts of the 1969 revolution was to eliminate the vestiges of colonialism and foreign control. Not only were oil fields nationalized but Gaddafi eliminated foreign military bases inside the country.

In March of 1970, the Gaddafi government shut down two important British military bases in Tobruk and El Adem. He then became the Pentagon’s enemy when he evicted the U.S. Wheelus Air Force Base near Tripoli that had been operated by the United States since 1945. Before the British military took control in 1943, the facility was a base operated by the Italians under Mussolini.

Wheelus had been an important Strategic Air Command (SAC) base during the Cold War, housing B-52 bombers and other front-line Pentagon aircrafts that targeted the Soviet Union.

Once under Libyan control, the Gaddafi government allowed Soviet military planes to access the airfield.

In 1986, the Pentagon heavily bombed the base at the same time it bombed downtown Tripoli in an effort to assassinate Gaddafi. That effort failed but his 2-year-old daughter died along with scores of other civilians.

The Character of the Gaddafi Regime

The political, social and class orientation of the Libyan regime has gone through several stages in the last four decades. The government and ruling establishment reflected contradictory class, social, religious and regional antagonisms. The fact that the leadership of the NATO-led National Transition Council is comprised of top officials of the Gaddafi government, who broke with the regime and allied themselves with NATO, is emblematic of the decades-long instability within the Libyan establishment.

These inherent contradictions were exacerbated by pressures applied to Libya from the outside. The U.S. imposed far-reaching economic sanctions on Libya in the 1980s. The largest western corporations were barred from doing business with Libya and the country was denied access to credit from western banks.

In its foreign policy, Libya gave significant financial and military support to national liberation struggles, including in Palestine, Southern Africa, Ireland and elsewhere.

Because of Libya's economic policies, living standards for the population had jumped dramatically after 1969. Having a small population and substantial income from its oil production, augmented with the Gaddafi regime’s far-reaching policy of social benefits, created a huge advance in the social and economic status for the population. Libya was still a class society with rich and poor, and gaps between urban and rural living standards, but illiteracy was basically wiped out, while education and health care were free and extensively accessible. By 2010, the per capita income in Libya was near the highest in Africa at $14,000 and life expectancy rose to over 77 years, according to the CIA’s World Fact Book.

Gaddafi’s political orientation explicitly rejected communism and capitalism. He created an ideology called the “Third International Theory,” which was an eclectic mix of Islamic, Arab nationalist and socialist ideas and programs. In 1977, Libya was renamed the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. A great deal of industry, including oil, was nationalized and the government provided an expansive social insurance program or what is called a welfare state policy akin to some features prevalent in the Soviet Union and some West European capitalist countries.

But Libya was not a workers’ state or a “socialist government” to use the popular if not scientific use of the term “socialist.” The revolution was not a workers and peasant rebellion against the capitalist class per se. Libya remained a class society although class differentiation may have been somewhat obscured beneath the existence of revolutionary committees and the radical, populist rhetoric that emanated from the regime.

As in many developing, formerly colonized countries, state ownership of property was not “socialist” but rather a necessary fortification of an under-developed capitalist class. State property in Iraq, Libya and other such post-colonial regimes was designed to facilitate the social and economic growth of a new capitalist ruling class that was initially too weak, too deprived of capital and too cut off from international credit to compete on its own terms with the dominant sectors of world monopoly capitalism. The nascent capitalist classes in such developing economies promoted state-owned property, under their control, in order to intersect with Western banks and transnational corporations and create more favorable terms for global trade and investment.

The collapse of the Soviet Union and the “socialist bloc” governments of central and Eastern Europe in 1989-91 deprived Libya of an economic and military counter-weight to the United States, and the Libyan government’s domestic economic and foreign policy shifted towards accommodation with the West.

In the 1990s some sectors of the Libyan economic establishment and the Gaddafi-led government favored privatization, cutting back on social programs and subsidies and integration into western European markets.

The earlier populism of the regime incrementally gave way to the adoption of neo-liberal policies. This was, however, a long process.

In 2004, the George W. Bush administration ended sanctions on Libya. Western oil companies and banks and other corporations initiated huge direct investments in Libya and trade with Libyan enterprises.

There was also a growth of unemployment in Libya and in cutbacks in social spending, leading to further inequality between rich and poor and class polarization.

But Gaddafi himself was still considered a thorn in the side of the imperialist powers. They want absolute puppets, not simply partners, in their plans for exploitation. The Wikileaks release of State Department cables between 2007 and 2010 show that the United states and western oil companies were condemning Gaddafi for what they called “resource nationalism.” Gaddafi even threatened to re-nationalize western oil companies’ property unless Libya was granted a larger share of the revenue for their projects.

As an article in today’s New York Times Business section said honestly: “"Colonel Qaddafi proved to be a problematic partner for the international oil companies, frequently raising fees and taxes and making other demands. A new government with close ties to NATO may be an easier partner for Western nations to deal with."

Even the most recent CIA Fact Book publication on Libya, written before the armed revolt championed by NATO, complained of the measured tempo of pro-market reforms in Libya: “Libya faces a long road ahead in liberalizing the socialist-oriented economy, but initial steps— including applying for WTO membership, reducing some subsidies, and announcing plans for privatization—are laying the groundwork for a transition to a more market-based economy.” (CIA World Fact Book)

The beginning of the armed revolt on February 23 by disaffected members of the Libyan military and political establishment provided the opportunity for the U.S. imperialists, in league with their French and British counterparts, to militarily overthrow the Libyan government and replace it with a client or stooge regime.

Of course, in the revolt were workers and young people who had many legitimate grievances against the Libyan government. But what is critical in an armed struggle for state power is not the composition of the rank-and-file soldiers, but the class character and political orientation of the leadership.

Character of the National Transition Council

The National Transitional Council (NTC) constituted itself as the leadership of the uprising in Benghazi, Libya’s second largest city. The central leader is Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who was Libya’s Minister of Justice until his defection at the start of the uprising. He was one of a significant number of Western-oriented and neoliberal officials from Libya’s government, diplomatic corps and military ranks who joined the opposition in the days immediately after the start of the revolt.

As soon as it was established, the NTC began issuing calls for imperialist intervention. These appeals became increasing panicky as it became clear that, contrary to early predictions that the Gaddafi-led government would collapse in a matter of days, it was the “rebels” who faced imminent defeat in the civil war. In fact, it was only due to the U.S./NATO bombing campaign, initiated with great hurry on March 19 that the rebellion did not collapse.

The last five months of war have erased any doubt about the pro-imperialist character of the NTC. One striking episode took place on April 22, when Senator John McCain made a “surprise” trip to Benghazi. A huge banner was unveiled to greet him with an American flag printed on it and the words: “United States of America – You have a new ally in North Africa.”

Similar to the military relationship between the NATO and Libyan “rebel” armed forces, the NTC is entirely dependent on and subordinated to the U.S., French, British and Italian imperialist governments.

If the Pentagon, CIA, and Wall Street succeed in installing a client regime in Tripoli it will accelerate and embolden the imperialist threats and intervention against other independent governments such as Syria and Venezuela. In each case we will see a similar process unfold, including the demonization of the leadership of the targeted countries so as to silence or mute a militant anti-war response to the aggression of the war-makers.

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nike · Aug 23, 2011

any sources for nato-/coalition ground forces?

here is the official timeline and report of the air war against targets in lybia - and some information about financial support for the rebels from germany for example (todays update):

Nobody ↑ :

Germany: Germany has withdrawn all forces from NATO operations in the Mediterranean Sea as its government decided not to take part in any military operations against Libya. However it is increasing the number of AWACS personnel in Afghanistan by up to 300 to free forces of other states. Germany allows the usage of military installations on its territory for the intervention in Libya. On 8 April, German officials suggested that Germany could potentially contribute troops to "[ensure] with military means that humanitarian aid gets to those who need it". As of early June, the German government is reportedly considering opening a center for training police in Benghazi. On July 24, Germany lent €100 million Euros ($144 million USD) to the rebels for "civilian and humanitarian purposes".

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_milit ... ition_side

vAsSiLy77 · Aug 24, 2011

Global Research in canada offers lots of articles and "insider"-information about whats going on, but I'm not that sure about their backgrounds, at least they don't seem to be conspicrazy nuts.
a guy named "denkbonus" has some german articles on wordpress dealing with the smokescreen made up by corporate media, fakes and desinformation like this:

an alleged death-pic of ghadaffi spread by BBC and CNN

vAsSiLy77 · Aug 30, 2011

Germun news-magazine "spiegel" reports that Algeria offered asyl to ghadaffi's wife and his children Mohammed, Hannibal and Aishe after the rebels attacked ghadaffis hometown, the libyan trans-gov protested against the asyl-offer and demanded the return of ghaddhafis family.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0 ... 53,00.html - germun only

some almost funny interview with the green ex-secretary of foreign relations "joschka" fischer discussing berlins "reality" about libya.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 43,00.html

nike · Oct 21, 2011

next occupation somewhere:

Nobody ↑ :

Row over Muammar Gaddafi's body delays burial plans
The BBC's Wyre Davies has been to see the bodies of the former Libyan leader and his son - this video contains disturbing images

Col Gaddafi's burial has been delayed by differences among Libyan officials about how to dispose of the body.
Under Islamic tradition burial should have taken place as soon as possible. But Libya's oil minister said the remains may be kept "for a few days".
It is unclear whether the ex-leader will be buried in Sirte, where he was killed on Thursday, in Misrata where the body has been taken, or elsewhere.
Meanwhile Nato is expected to declare an end to its Libya campaign.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the death of Muammar Gaddafi meant Nato's military intervention had reached its conclusion.
"Clearly the operation is coming to its end," he told reporters.

Questions mounting
The BBC's Caroline Hawley in Tripoli says the authorities now have to decide how to deal with Col Gaddafi's death and in particular his burial.
They have said they will conduct a secret burial and there is some speculation that they might even try to bury him at sea, as happened with al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, to prevent any grave being turned into a shrine, she adds.
Oil Minister Ali Tarhouni told Reuters news agency that Col Gaddafi's body was not going to be released from a morgue in Misrata for immediate burial.
"I told them to keep it in the freezer for a few days... to make sure that everybody knows he is dead," he said.
Asked about the burial arrangements, he said: "There is no decision yet."
Our correspondent says the National Transitional Council (NTC) needs to co-ordinate with the fighters who captured him in his hometown of Sirte and who have taken him to Misrata, where his bullet-ridden body is now lying in cold storage.
Reuters news agency quotes senior NTC commander Abdel Majid Mlegta as saying members of the colonel's tribe are in contact with anti-Gaddafi fighters to discuss the possibility of taking on the task of burying him.
Meanwhile, questions are mounting as to exactly what happened in Col Gaddafi's last moments following his capture.
Acting Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril said Col Gaddafi had been shot in the head in an exchange of fire between Gaddafi loyalists and NTC fighters following his capture in his hometown of Sirte
Video footage suggests he was dragged through the streets.
An NTC fighter told the BBC he found the former Libyan leader hiding in a drainage pipe and he had begged him not to shoot.
Misrata's chief forensic doctor, Othman al-Zintani, told to al-Arabiya TV that full autopsies would be carried out on the bodies of Col Gaddafi and his son Mutassim - who was also killed in Sirte on Thursday.
The process could take from few hours to a full day, he said.

'Major concerns'
Senior NTC member Mohammed Sayeh told the BBC he doubted that the colonel was deliberately killed, but added: "Even if he was killed intentionally, I think he deserves this."
He added: "If they kill him 1,000 times, I think it will not pay back the Libyans what he has done."
On Friday, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said there should be a full investigation into the killing.
Her spokesman Rupert Colville told the BBC that Col Gaddafi's death could have been illegal.
"There are two videos out there, one showing him alive and one showing him dead and there are four or five different versions of what happened in between those two cell phone videos. That obviously raises very, very major concerns," he said.
"People get killed in wars and that is recognised clearly in international law. On the other hand, it is also very clear under international law that summary executions, extra-judicial killings, are illegal."

NEXT STEPS
However, our correspondents say few Libyans are worried about the manner of their former dictator's humiliating end. Celebrations continued late into the night across Libya.
The NTC is expected to formally announce the liberation of the country on Saturday in the eastern town of Benghazi.
Nato's seven-month campaign of air strikes was carried out under a UN mandate authorising the use of force to protect civilians in Libya.
Nato has carried out some 26,000 sorties and almost 10,000 strike missions.
Col Gaddafi, who came to power in a coup in 1969, was toppled in August. He was making his last stand in Sirte alongside two of his sons, Mutassim and Saif al-Islam, according to reports.
There are conflicting reports as to the whereabouts of Saif al-Islam.
On Friday he was reported to be fleeing south towards Niger, according to NTC commander Abdul Majid Mlegta.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15398866

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Bakica · Oct 21, 2011

Payback time.

vAsSiLy77 · Oct 23, 2011

bet on it!
part of the promised humanitarian aid from germany: a police training center in bengasi...
(the joke is: the german ministry of the intern had to admit that german police academies trained future lybian police-trainers during the year 2008 - guess they missed the part about human rights then?
human rights watch is on red alert because of the treatment former pro-ghaddafi-lybians get from the victors, some reports about murders and torture in detention are already confirmed.

Bentheanarchist · Nov 20, 2011

Libyan Anarchist on UN and Nato airstrikes on Libya:
http://libcom.org/library/signs-defeat- ... revolution

luca89 · Dec 31, 2011

Bentheanarchist said:

I am very critical of the Libyan rebels. I think they are state puppets.

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you are right!!cause geddafi is the most democratic leader that we can find on the west world
people in this country have free education (even the college), water is free also the sanity is..
I am italian,everybody says that italy is an evolved and well-advanced country but there are more people who have a degree in libia than in italy..
all people in libia have a home that is half-paid by the state
geddafi was against the central bank of europe (that in the dark rules the states of european union) and all foreign powers which wanted only raping libia in order to steal the oil..geddafi wanted Africa free by foreign supremacy, and that are the reasons why NATO decleared war to him
I am just saying that libia is a country more free than USA Italy England or any democratic europe state..

Bentheanarchist · Feb 29, 2012

luca89 said:

Bentheanarchist said:

I am very critical of the Libyan rebels. I think they are state puppets.

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you are right!!cause geddafi is the most democratic leader that we can find on the west world
people in this country have free education (even the college), water is free also the sanity is..
I am italian,everybody says that italy is an evolved and well-advanced country but there are more people who have a degree in libia than in italy..
all people in libia have a home that is half-paid by the state
geddafi was against the central bank of europe (that in the dark rules the states of european union) and all foreign powers which wanted only raping libia in order to steal the oil..geddafi wanted Africa free by foreign supremacy, and that are the reasons why NATO decleared war to him
I am just saying that libia is a country more free than USA Italy England or any democratic europe state..

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i am not pro gaddafi. I am just against the NATO supported rebels.

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