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Pussy Riot

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ungovernable, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. ungovernable

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    I think kissing cops is pretty stupid but i respect the diversity of tactics. Here in quebec there's an anarchist group called The Love Police Montreal, one of the "leader" is my friend and they are nice guys, definatly not the kind of people who really love the police even if they did "free hugs competition"...
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    During the 2012 student strike there is a very famous anarchist in a panda disguise who's called Anarcho-Panda. He became famous because he was giving free hugs to everyone. A lot of people started to like him because he was making things look a bit less dramatic... A bit of love in the middle of all this anger. And if you read stuff he wrote you'd see that he's not stupid and he's a real anarchist. At first the objective was just to challenge the anti-mask law. Now everytime protesters see him they ask for hugs.
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  2. butcher

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    Are you seriously arguing people shouldn't support them on the basis that they went on a holiday? For realz?

    Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the elections no doubt influenced the timing of an explicitly anti-Putin action. Yr taking the mundane and pretending its suspicious, you need moar reptiles.
     
  3. ungovernable

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    Pussy Riot are illuminatis !!
     
  4. Ivanovich

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    First, burn the straw man. I said 'cia or some such shit' meaning some organisation(s) behind the scenes. Second, do a search for Verzilov Navalny Kasparov. you will find lots of meetings etc they were all present at. The last two write for Wall St Journal. The association isn't just casual. Also, Ungov, check the backgrounds, we talking graduates that have worked as software engineers for the military, etc, I doubt many of them were on minimum wage. Whatever, I only brought this up cos I do care about this forum, and I think you are in great danger of making yourselves look like a bunch of fucking idiots, if you haven't already. Up to you, of course, but for me, time to move on, I think.
     
  5. ungovernable

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    What makes us looks like idiots is some of the arguments you bring up, like if you couldn't have a good job and still be anarchist. I know a shitload of anarchists who are teachers and who earn a lot of money, and i don't judge them...

    I think we would look like idiots even more if we kept all the profits for ourselves selling "free pussy riot" tshirts, knowing that buyers buy them to support pussy riot so the money should go to them. We even use their notoriety to fund other causes. I think it's really awesome if we can help anarchists arrested in the G20 and in the student protests because of Pussy Riot.

    I'll repeat again that even if they were not anarchists i'd still support them. Anarchists are supposed to stand for the freedom of speech of everyone, otherwise it would just be sectarism and elitism to support only people thinking exactly like us. Once again we're also supporting organisations like "i give to us" who help the legal defense of EVERYONE including people not at minimum wage, software engineers, and even people who support and vote for political parties !! And nobody see a problem with that

    I think you're making a big drama out of nothing and seriously that's fucking ridiculous if you want to leave this forum because of this reason but oh well i'm not going to force you to stay. It's your choice, whatever.
     
  6. Ivanovich

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    Ok, so if, instead, she had been wearing a Crass t-shirt, you would still feel that same?
     
  7. butcher

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    Sure, Navalny is a bloody wanker politician and Kasparov appears to have associations with dodgy realist US thinktanks, but yr suggested search only seemed to suggest that the links between all three are the pussy riot trials, which is pretty understandable (opposition parties trying to get political mileage, etc). Do you have any additional information about these 'lots of meetings'?

    I'm also of the opinion that its unlikely Pussy Riot members are particularly poor, minimum wage artists. But at the same time, I fail to understand how having sufficient wealth to travel to Canada makes one ineligible for solidarity.
     
  8. Ivanovich

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    Butcher, check Kommersant. The point is, they aint anarchists, they aint femanists, they aint even a band. They are just rich kids fucking around. There are millions of other people locked away, that were not just trying to get locked away. Your support for Pussy Riot is just pissing on them, and why? Cos one of them wore one of your shirts? Everyone got their price, I guess.
     
  9. ungovernable

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    Obviously yes... Do you seriously think i wouldn't support a political prisonner just because he's wearing a tshirt of a band i don't like ?

    And if that was your question, no, i don't support them only because she's wearing one of our tshirts. My position is the same : we can critise some of their actions, but this isn't a reason to not support their liberation and support ALL political prisonners victims of the state repression.

    Like Makhno said, anarchists will always be on the side of the oppressed people.

    When did anarchist solidarity become so sectarian ?

    Ok now this is just totally ridiculous. How the fuck am i supposed to have been bought off if i am giving away all the money i make from Pussy Riot tshirts ?

    They aint feminists ? Wtf ? And why exactly they're not anarchists ? Because opposition politicians support them and because they went on vacation to Canada ?

    Yes millions of other people are locked away but we can't support them because nobody will buy their dedicated products, unlike Pussy Riot. That's why we're using Pussy Riot to fund other causes, but i already explained it millions of times.

    We'd do the same if we could sell enough Mumia Abu Jamal tshirts but oh wait no... We can't support him because some politicians support his liberation and he was pictured with them, and if we search the web we can probably find out that he travelled to other countries...
     
  10. ungovernable

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    I suppose that the quebecker anarchist Normand Baillargeon - one of the most important modern anarchist book writter - is not a real anarchist because he's an university teacher and he travelled to other countries ?
     
  11. Ivanovich

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    Ungov, they are other ways of being bought apart from money.
     
  12. ungovernable

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    So explain me how i got bought ? This is ridiculous. I want to express solidarity with political prisonners instead of keeping all the profits for myself and now i'm a sellout. Do you realise wtf you're saying ?

    I'd prefer to give all the profits to g20 prisonners but this is fucking pussy riot tshirts... People buy them to support pussy riot not Toronto anarchists so at least A PART of the profits must go to them. But even if i did that, you'd probably start a political process of the anarchists in toronto.

    Btw, since you post pictures as "proofs" well here's pussy riot with a feminist flag
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    And yes they're a band. They already released an album.
    http://www.pirate-punk.net/message.php?t=24299
    Album is called "kill the sexist" and a song is named "kropotkin" but wait that's not feminism and not anarchism...

    Pussy Riot are inspired by Bikini Kill and the Riot Grrrl movement, btw.
     
  13. ungovernable

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    Should we ban Propagandhi from Anarcho-Punk.net and APN Compilation because they support Pussy Riot ?
    http://propagandhi.com/2012/08/1284/
     
  14. butcher

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    I have just done so, but there are a number of problems. Firstly, I don't speak Russian, so searching for news on a foreign language website is difficult, therefore could you provide links to specific relevant articles? Secondly, google translate is hideously unreliable. Thirdly, 'kommersant' is, according to wikipedia, the business press with a fucking tiny readership, is it reliable?

    Secondly, the intention of my comments was not so much to 'support Pussy Riot' as to highlight the absurdity of certain conspiracy theories being put forward.
     
  15. Ivanovich

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    Who were inspired by the Spice Girls. Waving a flag, yeah, that's proof, I guess. Proof of what, well that's another question, isn't it. So, you saying if it had been a Crass t-shirt, this thread would still exist, and you'd still be selling their merch? How you profit from it, skip back a bit, you say it in your own words. Caps thinks they are sincere, right. This is people that have openly stated that they will lie, deceive and turn their comrades into the cops to get publicity. You do know what sincere means, right?
     
  16. Ivanovich

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    Butcher, you don't need to read russian, there is a photograph section. Ungov claimed that the association was just casual, one demo or something. This is not the case.
     
  17. Ivanovich

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    I dunno, though odd that Punkmar aint banned the word 'pussy' yet.
     
  18. butcher

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    Again, sources please.
     
  19. Ivanovich

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    You could just call them PR, though I guess that be a bit too obvious.
     
  20. Ivanovich

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    Photo section of Kommersant, I already said that, didn't I?
     
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