Punk is not metal!

You get grindcore that's rooted in metal and grindcore rooted in hardcore. It's widely considered to have started with Napalm Death, so you can say the genre arose out of the punk scene. But there were definitely metal influences in it.

 

gc sure, but crust? never seen this, ever. who is saying this? are they real people or just bots?

black sabbath predate every punk band unless you count the stooges. or argue that punk is an ethos and not a genre in which case it's been around for as long as music has been made and the whole argument is pointless.

i'm also confused at the double standard for punk and metal. the punk that is mainstream is not real punk and is ignored but the metal that's popular is real metal and representative of the whole genre.

i agree with the takeaway but the way you get there is pretty weird to me

 

I don’t see any reason to differentiate between genres in the context you’re describing. A punk can play metal, and a metalhead can be part of a punk band. I don’t see a problem with that. Just like in punk, metal also has both underground and commercial (mainstream) bands. There’s no need for division—we should focus on unity.

Here are a few examples of anarcho-punk musicians playing metal:

• The black metal band A Cloud Forest, where Shelly Delbridge from the punk band Contravene is the vocalist.
• Circle of Vultures, an eco-anarchist raw USBM band made up of members from the Texas anarcho-punk community.
• Tim Rule, known for bands like xRESISTANCEx (hardcore punk) and Carnivore Crusher (grindcore/death metal), but also Forward to Eden (metalcore), Through Chaos & Solitude (black metal), and Gutmensch (black metal).
• Members of the post-black metal band Weeping Willow are green anarchists from the hardcore punk scene.
• The Ukrainian black metal band Льон is led by a crust punk, and the same goes for the Ukrainian band Пуща.

 

Couldn't agree more.

 

Many Of These Nuances And Offshoots Are Acceptable To Me, EXCEPT WHEN
There Be Any Form Of Racism, Mainstream/Commercial, Or Political Associations.

 

Totally the true hardcores will always know

 

I will give you that grindcore is not "rooted" in metal. That was an honest mistake on my
part. What I meant was, like you said, there are some sub-genres of grind that are...
not "rooted" in metal but let's say have been adopted into the metal genre.

But I disagree with you that there are no elements of death metal in grindcore. Even
Napalm Death, who started the genre, and who were no doubt punk were influenced by extreme metal (as well as punk).

Hardcore punk and crust has some metal influences in it. Already The Exploited (from Troops of Tomorrow onwards, maybe even before that), GBH, etc. all had more or less metal influences.
I got the following from doing a quick search (I prefer not to quote outside sources but I tend to agree with it):

On the flipside, thrash metal borrowed a lot of elements from punk.

But punk is still punk and metal is still metal. Even Crossover or metal-punk is still essentially punk. But in my opinion if the lyrics are "metal" it's not punk.

Yeah, I also don't consider pop punk to be punk. Ska punk I don't listen to either but I couldn't comment on it.


No, it shouldn't have a dress code. Wear whatever you want to (just don't wear a fucking Armani suit, lol). But if you wanna wear a studded leather jacket and rock a mohawk or whatever then that's cool too if that's what you like. I used to walk around like that at one point and I didn't do it merely to conform, I just liked to stick out and differentiate myself from Mr Normal and be recognized as a punk (if you wanna call that conforming, fine). But I never dissed on punks who don't want to look like that.

 

The conversation about what is and isn't punk seems to be a defining characteristic of punk in and of itself. Whether punk is a music or an ethos or a fashion statement or simply a megaphone of discordant anti-establishment thought....I don't think every opinion will ever find a common ground.
I like to think of punk as a way of looking at the world differently in thought and emotion. Not all punk will be overtly political in message and execution but it will challenge what is generally thought of as normal. However, as a "punk" in some regard I also have my own rules. It must be dangerous, it must have aggression in ideology and execution (not violence necessarily, but steadfastness), it must challenge. It must - too a degree - be simple in execution. Not every band that comes out under the umbrella is able to do this and for me that may make their version of music not punk. Again, though, as an ethos it doesn't take away from the "punkness" of the people making the music and so it still belongs.
The idea of gatekeeping is important, especially with the sheer deluge of content we are constantly bombarded with. So, ultimately, I think that you get get to decide for yourself what punk is.
But, and a big BUT, remember Sartre's existential conundrum that:...ultimately while you are able to pass judgement on what is or isn't....so is everyone else and facing whether or not you are a punk may not (socially speaking) be up to you. Hell is truly other people. (corny i know)

my 2 cents.

 

Black metal excretes punk notes and riffs. So, IMO it is all EMOtionally awesome noise.

 

I love Dead Boys , G.G.& Jabbers , Antiseen, Beating Bert & the Luscious Ones.....but everything evolves or fades away....IMO.
I am stuck in my squatting drunk punk days.....and that is causing me to fade away & be a bit less acceptable in some scenes..IME.
And ...U can't make me think
But I think I am liking u too.
Maybe I am getting off on the Punk genre and staggering into anarcho-punk territory - which is much more....I believe woke is a understood term these days.

 

lots of scumfuks out there- much worse than T.R.A. (IMO), but I believe you are talking about shit people in general.
And one of my long-term , ice breaker\jokes to a person unknown, when i meet a patch kid, is "I dont trust people with patches" - as I always have atleast one band patch on my clothing, somewhere.
So, I definitely like to be able to recognize an ally in a crowd . Safety In Numbers is as valuable as being able to survive alone in this mess of greedy bastrds and sheep.

 

What is crust if not punk influenced by metal? OP's view is ahistorical as fuck

 

Yeah, it's influenced by metal, but I think some bands can be claimed by both genres. A ton of crust bands lean hard into metal territory, which in my opinion adds a nice bit of variety to the genre.