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Politically, what do you consider yourself as?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by punkdude, Aug 27, 2009.

  1. nclpw

    nclpwExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Sounds more anarcho-communist to me, but that depends on your view on world economics and other stuff social democrats are interested in(neo-liberals? I don't know anymore).
    So technically you would still keep some sort of government(and all its branches)? I'm not attacking you or anything, just curious. Words can mean so much :p
     
  2. Paczilla

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    If by keep some government you mean like Hospitals, some sort of food distribution system and other humanitarian efforts than yes, but if you mean something like an actual government with restrictions on peoples rights and laws that force people to do something a certain way than no. As far as neo-liberalism is concerned, i think that trade between people is always going to happen, but it shouldn't get out of hand like capitalism. The basic idea is to keep everyone alive and healthy and to be able to do as you please as long as you arnt directly hurting any one or have any power over anyone but yourself. :thumbsup:
     
  3. nooneno

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    i can't really say what i am because i don't feel i need a label to be identified by or with.
    i take issue with every form of government i've been made aware of through research into history and as a result i know what i am not.
    i realize nothing is perfect but that's no excuse.
    i find many good points and practices in governmental entities but unfortunately these tend to be hollow and only good for face value.
    i'm not being a pessimist in thinking this way. more of a realist but not in some faux philosophical way.
    my opinions don't make me apolitical nor apathetic either. more-so overly critical, judgmental and tortured by details.
     
  4. Bakica

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    The more I read from you, the more I like you. :beer:
     
  5. NoIsAGoodAnswer

    NoIsAGoodAnswerMember New Member


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    Personally, I'm Anarcho - Syndicalist. I support worker's rights and direct action, but not socialism or communism because they have always led to tyrannical regimes.The entire Idea of a "state and class free society" cannot be achieved if people make the same amount of money. If one family has 5 children and the other has 2, then one will need more resources then the other. I believe in bartering and trading. If i make bread, then you would trade me your drinking water in return, so I get drinking water, and you would get bread and so on and so forth. If I am the baker and also need bread, I can use my own resources and skills to make my own bread. I also believe in schools where not only do they learn to read and write, but also can learn a job of their choice. That way, everyone has a job and everyone works for each other. I am not a primitivist because I still believe in advancements. In the same way as the bread - drinking water example, I could also sell you my new computer in exchange for your old one, which i can recycle for raw material. I also do not believe chaos is the natural way of man. The Iroquois American Indians had no government and lasted thousands of years. The reason why people are not committing crimes is not because the police magically make it go away. The reason I don't go around killing people is not because I am scared I will be arrested, I know it is the wrong thing to do. Plus, the people with the strive to do these things don't care about the law, that's why they still do them. There would be no need for crime If everyone defended themselves and each other. There would also be nothing to fight against , because there is no government. I also believe in direct democracy, no boarders and no private property.
     
  6. Rebellious twit

    Rebellious twitExperienced Member Experienced member


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    Hi NoIsagoodAnswer, Anarchism is a leftist ideology traditionally(socialist) not all socialism is authorthrian socialism...

    Anarcho communism is something completely diffirent from the communism that existed in the former soviet states...
     
  7. NoIsAGoodAnswer

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    True, and anarcho - socialism or anarcho - communism would be a perfect idea if we were all the same. Remember the example of the families, though. If one has more children, then that family would need more resources than the other. The problem is that even if everyone has an equal amount of money, we would still face the problem of what that pay is. Anarcho - socialism and anarcho - communism both face the same problem as authoritarian communism or socialism. If the society makes equal amounts of pay, everyone would be miserable.What capitalism does is that it makes us powerful so we can bomb the shit out of people. In Anarcho - socialism / communism money would lose meaning because everyone has the same amount of it. I say it's better to rid our society of money all together. Money always leads to subjugation or poverty.
     
  8. Rebellious twit

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    you believe in Anarcho Syndicalism, which is the same thing as Anarcho communism, it isn't about everyone being the same, you clearly don't know about anarcho communism then, Anarcho communism builds around the idea of full communism(Libertarian communism) which is bassically the idea that the workers should own the production and collectivize, it builds around direct democracy...Anarcho communism also support getting rid of wage labour...you clearly misunderstood everything then...

    if you want to understand what the a.b.c of Anarchism is i suggest you read the book The abc Of anarchism by Alexander Berkman, since it sounds like alot of bullshit to me that you say anarcho communism is a ideology which is the same as auththorthian communism...

    http://libcom.org/library/abc-anarchism ... er-berkman
     
  9. Spike one of many

    Spike one of manyExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Sorry for butting in here, but direct bartering sounds very impractical.
     
  10. SomePoser

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    Correct. I am very ignorant. From what I have read, Anarcho - syndicalism was a revolutionary kind of Anarchism that believes in direct action. I don't really know what "-ism" I believe in, but I know that I hate capitalism, I hate the government, and I hate the police.

    And no, I never said that anarcho - communism and authoritarian communism are the same. I said that the idea of everyone having equal amounts of money would not work because everyone has different needs. I do not believe in capitalism. I believe that money always leads to subjugation and/or poverty. I also do not believe in wage labor, but instead voluntary labor. I do not know what this makes me. I believe that poverty and wealth are both the worst things for society, because capitalism, is itself a violent practice. I do, in fact believe in direct democracy and worker's rights. I never said anything about workers working for a boss. i am not sure weather bartering is practical or not, but I fail to see how money works if a society is non - hierarchical (once again, my ignorance shines through).
     
  11. SomePoser

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    and Yes, I am NoIsAGoodAnswer.
     
  12. Rebellious twit

    Rebellious twitExperienced Member Experienced member


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    you clearly haven't been reading that much into it then...i'm tired of hearing the bullshit arguments you make , seriously what the fuck..you think socialism and communism is two authothrian ideologies..you explained that before either that or i misunderstood if i did i'm sorry, but i don't want to discuss with you any longer...i smell dishonesty and i don't think i will be able to discuss with you any further.
     
  13. traqn dimitrov

    traqn dimitrovActive Member Forum Member


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    probably anarcho-comunist
     
  14. NoGodsNoMasters38

    NoGodsNoMasters38Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    I am an Anarchist. I am against hierarchy and war.
     
  15. Old Matey

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    Being realistic I see the need for police and government, laws, rules and regulations... yet hate how capitalistic and consumerist society is today, with no care for the earth- just rape of resources and 3rd world citizens. Im very 'left' but at the same time pretty much hate politics and don't want to know about it, so yeah anarchistic... nihilistic also. At the end of the day i don't want to be put into any particular category, so yeah obviously aspects of anarchism, left, animal liberation etc Doubt anyone truly follows all 'guidlines' of any subculture, and if they do? i doubt the genuinity.
     
  16. Rebellious twit

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    Old Matey, i must ask you this how can you define what is realistic and what is n?ot...you clearly have missed a point about of anarchism then..Anarchism promotes a world with without Rulers but not rules, Anarchism is a political philosophy which promotes direct democracy and freedom.

    Also Nihilism has nothing to do with anarchism since Nihilism builds around the idea of that morals doesn't exist...how the hell can you be an anarchist then.

    Not all Anarchists agree with me on this but i think a another world is possible with a diffirent police force, i see a new kind of "police" in the sense that community elects some candidates with rotation so not all of these people remain the same on this post, since it would be like a "job" in an anarchist society, their function in this society is if there is ever coming any trouble, they should handle the situation with dialogue and not force..this means that the same police force as you know today isn't the same in an anarchist society..
    This Example i'm using is also used in a semi autonomous state in mexico known as chiapas
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatista_ ... Liberation
     
  17. Spike one of many

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    @Old Matey,
    An anarchist society is "designed" to be a self-"governing" society without the need of a state government and its authoritarian structures.
     
  18. NoGodsNoMasters38

    NoGodsNoMasters38Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    No offense man, but I think you should do more research on anarchism.

    An Anarchist FAQ: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html
     
  19. Tenyearsafter

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    Socialist
    or libertarian socialist, democratic socialist, trotskyist, anarchosyndicalist, anarchocommunist
    I think all of them are linked
    :ecouteurs:
     
  20. pulp90

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    i consider myself an anarchist but most of all an hardcore ANTIFASCIST i hate 'em very intersting topics i read all the page
     
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