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Politically, what do you consider yourself as?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by punkdude, Aug 27, 2009.

  1. tns20

    tns20Member New Member


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    well anarchy is not a politic, its a condition such as democracy and dictatorship.
     
  2. monsieur b

    monsieur bActive Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    What interesting times we live in, I see that the fears of Toqueville towards modernity were more than founded. A lot of people, especially the youngest or less educated, fall so extremely into Constant's description of modern freedom, they've fallen so much the "peaceful enjoyment of our private independence" that they've become trapped in it. Trapped in modern freedom, it's kind of ironic. Real politics have become so remote, there is no longer pleasure or hope of exercising significant political power...that's when you hear things like
    Whereas "self" is so intertwined with politics. There is no shame in labels, calling a chair a chair is in no way diminishing, nor is it for "losers who can't face some sort of metaphysical insecurity in front of the infinite nature of the chair".
     
  3. Rathryn

    RathrynExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    But in the case of the chair, the chair defines the label, the label doesn't define the chair, much like is done with labelling people into categories for instance.
    Now don't get me wrong labels are useful, I like labels, as long as the label attached to me doesn't start defining who I am.
     
  4. Deconstruction

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    Individualist-Anarchist, with emphasis on social justice and solidarity.
    Totally anti-fascist, anti-capitalist, also against all religions and dogmatic ideologies.
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  5. Rathryn

    RathrynExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Thanks to Deconstruction for a link to the test:
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    Apparently I'm close to the Dalai Lama and Gandhi.... lol
     
  6. BlinkoChrist

    BlinkoChristExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    where is that test?
     
  7. Rathryn

    RathrynExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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  8. Anom

    AnomExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Thanks Deconstruction and Rathryn! Perfect for a sunday morning while boiling beans!
     
  9. Ring Of Truth

    Ring Of TruthExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Okay I have thought a lot about this.... I am an anarchist (but that's why we're here right). Sorry this will be a long post.

    I am an evolutionist, not a revolutionist. Being that I believe that a revolution (which in our modern society would involve a lot of bloody violence and killing) will result in the installation of a new ruling class, so then the "anarchists" would be the rulers and guess what in the end nothing will change. However I believe that our actions today can begin an evolution. As we live our lives by example of what anarchism should and will be, and we pass this on to our children, and if we can subvert those around us we will begin to educate the world, and educating people, and opening their minds to alternative ways of living will start to change the way we will live.

    Okay evolution starts with education.... but what about the governments already in power, they will not want to give up their power and admit that they are unnessesary right. So what's next? Well according to studies that have been done by sociologists society given freedom will naturally evolve towards true communism and in the end anarchy. So (in the US) we are a capitalist nation, we need to start taking steps towards socialism as a nation... but once we shift towards socialism we need to keep pushing towards pure communism, but since it will not be a communist revolution there will be no need for a dictator, and at that point the government will have become truely unnessasary and will dissolve and the power will all be in the hands of the individual citizens. By this point we will have evolved past the greedy mind-set of our current society and will realize the importance in working together for the commonwealth of all rather than the betterment of only the self.

    I understand that with some of you especially some of you younger more impatent anarchists that this theory may not be too popular since you would rather see instant gratification.... however I believe that if you want to see anarchism work on a large scale, and not just in a small setting, then it is vital that we go through stages of evolution to avoid society falling into chaos (which is not anarchy at all).

    So what am I doing to help this process? I share my beliefs with others (not just punks but everyone), I am striving to raise my son on anarchist beliefs, and teaching him to use his bullshit detector and think for himself. When I am at work, I drop subtle hints to the students that I work with to question the world around them and to show them that there are other ways of thinking and living. I also try to live a good life, so that I don't push people away, so that people can see anarchism in a possitive light.

    Okay a couple of points I want to make clear:
    1. If an anarchist revolution does come, I will support it, and I will fight right along side of you my brothers and sisters... however I will encourage us all to be cautious of our future actions and what we do when anarchism does happen. We will have power, we need to make sure that we ALL have that power not just a few.
    2. I know this is anarcho-punk.net, however for anarchism to work we cannot populate the world with nothing but punks, we must work with everyone. We all hate mainstream, and popularity and all that... however sooner or later we will need to become the majority, and to do that we need to branch out beyond the punk scene, we need to include everyone. That is one thing I love about anarcho-folk music is that young and old alike can get into it. Just remember that little old lady next door can be an anarchist too, with a little help and enlightenment. That man driving his BMW to his office can be an anarchist as well if you reach out and share your ideas and beliefs with him. Not like the Christians forcing their beliefs, but rather just share with people that there is another way, that we don't have to be slaves.
    3. Be careful that you are not a slave to anarchism, that you also live your life and have fun as well. If we are enslaved to the idea of anarchy and all of its aspects, then what is the difference between that and being enslaved to the capitalist system. Either way if you are not free you are not free it doesn't matter the cage.

    Again sorry it was so long, but that is just a quick overview of how I consider my self to be politically... I welcome your ripping apart of my post, and look forward to you all sharing your own ideas on it.
     
  10. raindeer667

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    just seen that grid, it's the most hilarious thingyabob i've seen. passification of free throught, developed by psyciatrists? sociologists? do you get different pills for each little square? struggle.....
     
  11. New Face In Hell

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    I guess the best word to describe myself politically would be "individualist". Although I agree with a lot of anarchist principles, I don't really consider myself full-fledged.
     
  12. monsieur b

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    So then what defines you? I think I understand your issue with labels still...for example, I'm a skinhead, I have absolutely no problem with people saying "he is a skinhead", but whatever preconception they have about skinheads I could, then, have a problem with. They might think I'm a nazi, or think I just want to drink and fight, or that I'm some sort of dumb brute. But that being said, it doesn't change the fact that I'm a skinhead, no matter what people think. And that I'm an anarchist, no matter what people think anarchism is or should be.
     
  13. monsieur b

    monsieur bActive Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Which studies actually suggest that?


    It's not just the division of political power, but also its limits that should be very defined very clearly.
     
  14. Saering

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    Well i don't mean to butt in and answer for Rathryn but i feel that as i would have said the same thing as Rathryn i can offer some input on this. I think that just because a label can be used by others to define me, Dosen't mean that it actually defines me, after all i define myself, the label dosen't decide who i am, i am what the label means because i am the definition of it, any preconception they (the labeler's) may have regarding to that label may not nessecarily be me, because labels (and all the opinions that go with them) are subjective, i shouldn't bend backwards to make sure that i still fit others opinions that are based off of those preconceptions in order to stay true to that label.
     
  15. Saering

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  16. Anom

    AnomExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    And this is mine:
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  17. monsieur b

    monsieur bActive Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    That's pretty much what I meant, but I think that just because people have some preconceptions about certain "labels" won't keep me from using it. I feel that someone who refuses to use certain words to describe himself because it would be "limiting" is generally someone who doesn't have the guts to stand his ground and assume his identity. It doesn't mean that you have to limit yourself to one thing, become simplistic or that you have to fit other people's expectations.
     
  18. jessfive

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    Anon and I are on the same page almost. :)

    http://www.politicalcompass.org/faceboo ... &soc=-9.13

    I'm an anarcha-feminist.

    It's funny, I took the same quiz a few years ago, I was align with Gandhi and now I am way more radical than he ever was. Haha.
     
  19. Anom

    AnomExperienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    We are! Cool! :D
     
  20. Bananaman

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