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Photos I've taken outside an abortion clinic

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Becomingsoil, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. Canis latrans

    Canis latransActive Member Forum Member


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    Or the child that was aborted might have been the next Hitler or Stalin or GW Bush.
     
  2. Canis latrans

    Canis latransActive Member Forum Member


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    Simple answer. They either view women, their uteruses or both, as their property, as well as the issue of that uterus. In short, "its mah seed in dat der wooman's cunny. that is mah child and i want it"
     
  3. silasraven

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    mar77- dont exclude me cause you dont like my beliefs. i said ME i dont care if you dont. not my concern- same to canis i find humor in it (what you said) but no i wont tell you how to live your life and what you should believe. it simply belongs to those who wish to have it. i wont press shit on you. further more im in the right place, cant tell you how many churchs try to tell me because i look different i should be saved or get the fuck out. inna rut. i was providing options is all with you of course providing more knowledge to my lack there of. i approve of protection not abortion is all.
     
  4. nike

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    bit too much of a clichè in my eyes, i actually have a daughter who suffered badly and for all her future days because of her fathers IWANTTHISCHILDWITHYOU, my problems to make up my mind before the 12 weeks deadline, and finally the time i spend behind bars when she was still a baby and her dad had to find out that the strain to roll for her around the clock was too much for him.
    nobody who knew us would have believed that this could ever happen, now we have a lot of problems for the next...?
    he was nice and supportive, even encouraged me to do what i wanted to do in other aspects of our living and i "believed" or (wanted to) that we could make it despite all the odds of our situation between @-punk and realities -
    we were wrong and now the weaker of us remaining two can't hear because of a simple infection going unnoticed.

    okay, maybe it's here and there the old patriarchal "your are mine" - worst case, really a nightmare, even the slightest trace of it would have driven me away...
    but i think far more often it's the illusion of meaning of life beamed into the future next generation, family, manhood, feminin selfdeception about being emancipated with a crush for cute little parasites and the damneddamneddamned lack of knowledge what it means to ask for trouble - and risk the future of somebody only slowly growing out of absolute dependence.
    too bad that i had to realize how much influence gender specific education had on me - it wasn't "our" pregnancy, our birth and our child - it was all mine all the time, somehow i knew it all the time but was much too much of a girl to accept it:
    she grew up inside me, depleting my recources and if necessary even fighting my organism to get what she needed to grow, it was my pain and hers during the birth and the family thing reduced itself to...?
    i don't say males have nothing to say if the case comes up, but they aren't really involved and not much of a help - the responsibility is the woman's job:
    accepting the problems, pain and a personal bond with a little one demanding almost everything one has to give and above all that - the risk to fail badly and mess up the future of a living human being completely.
    there must be a choice made by the main actress able to choose - the child can't.
    the co-actor might state his support and discuss every aspect of the complex and give the best he can in every aspect - but he has no fucking right to want or demand anything he couldn't do himself - and except of arnold the barbarian no man has ever managed getting pregnant.
    guess i can spare myself a "fuck pro life".
     
  5. crustybeckham

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    That's what I do.
    There is a 26 kids army with a nose very similar to mine ready to resist the machines' uprising. I only feed them raw meat, you know, to train them properly when the apocalypse happens.
     
  6. silasraven

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    nike- sorry to hear, kids do demand allot from people. which is why no sex is better then a kid. if someone has mental issues its a little much to want to have kids. i understand its her body and all but still some how it doesnt seem right. bless you for having to go threw what you went threw, dudes are assholes when it comes to kids anyway. canis- yeah it is the reaility of half and half. cream and sugar.
     
  7. vAsSiLy77

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    may i ask why? don't answer if you don't want, but i promise not to comment it otherwise than with a thanks, just wanna know what you feel about it, not what you believe.
     
  8. silasraven

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    ina ruts- the body can reproduce we take on that when we fuck. to kill is to put a sense of hatred toward something else to exact revenge for something we do deliberately. i feel you kill for pleasure when you take that life. you want that pleasure you had when you were fucking to continue without having to take on another life and further their pleasure. its selfish if i may presume
     
  9. fubarista

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    Seeing this topic here reminds me of some years back when I was banned from Derrick Jensen's forum. A couple of guys were discussing a recent Supreme Court ruling about late trimester abortions and one of them said that he thought it was a good ruling because the Supreme Court "had to draw a line somewhere."

    All I said was that I didn't think they should be reaching up into other people's bodies to draw their lines, and then the shit hit the fan and I got the ban. :/
     
  10. silasraven

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    late tri is even worse. you go up into the cunt pull baby legs out stab in the neck and suck brains out with a hose. thats just worse and even more horrid than anything ive ever seen, i saw that chart in the 9th grade and it still stays with me
     
  11. silasraven

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  12. fubarista

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    A child is a little person that is older and bigger than a baby. A baby is a person. A person is somebody who was born or who was declared to be a person by the Supreme Court. There are no people inside other people. Are you hiding people inside you? Should we go up inside you and look? If you don't respect other people's bodies, you don't respect life. If you don't respect life, you don't have a right to live.

    I remember back in the days when the pro-life murderers were still pretending to be nonviolent and pretending that the people who bombed clinics and who shot and killed abortion doctors were lone nuts. So I phoned one of the mainstream pro-life organizations and said I was an abortion clinic bomber, but I didn't know if I could keep it up because my partner had been arrested, my car had broken down, and I was broke. They told me that I shouldn't give up, that I was doing the Lord's work, and that I should keep right on doing the Lord's work. So then I knew for a fact that they were all liars and hypocrites.

    There are two kinds of species, ecologically viable species and ecologically nonviable species. Basic college ecology classes illustrate this by having two tanks in the classroom, one with an ecologically viable species of amoeba and the other with an ecologically nonviable species of amoeba. Both tanks are given exactly the same amount of light, air, water, and nutrients, and started off with the same number of amoeba. The viable species, and remember, these are little one-celled, supposedly "brainless" animals, can assess the amount of light, air, water, and nutrients available, and when their population growth reaches the point where the tank can't support more of them easily, they stop reproducing until enough of them die off that it can. The nonviable species, on the other hand, are incapable of controlling their reproductive rate in accordance with available resources, so they overpopulate, experience a mass die-off from shortages of the resources they need to sustain life, and enter a cycle of overpopulation and die-offs, where the survivors of each die-off overpopulate again, die-off again, and eventually, which, fortuitously for ecology professors, all occurs within the space of a single semester, become extinct and die off totally, poisoned in their own wastes. The nonviable species are then replaced with a new bunch for the next class, but of course the viable species never dies off, never needs to be replaced, and, if continuously given the same amount of resources, will theoretically live forever.

    Humans are a nonviable species. We have overpopulation peaks when life becomes cheap and genocides become common and unremarkable, where billions of people die the most horrible deaths imaginable, and then the survivors, finding themselves with plenty of land, food, and resources, but a scarcity of people, declare that life is precious, say things like, "never again," and "lest we forget," and start to repopulate, so that a few short generations later we've overpopulated once again, life becomes cheap once again, and once again millions starve and die in needless wars. If things keep on, we will, like any other nonviable species, become extinct, poisoned by our own wastes, and the radioactive wastes we are producing now are beyond our capacity to clear up or safely dispose of, even if we wanted to, which we don't because we're too busy encouraging overpopulation so that we can kill millions of people.

    The only way that we could become an ecologically viable species would be if females, the ones who do the actual child-bearing, had the knowledge to assess the resources available to them, which, due to capitalism and imperialism, are not the actual resources that would otherwise be available, but only those resources they can afford, and the power to stop reproducing when the needed resources to support a larger population weren't available to them.

    But patriarchy, the belief that the earth and everything on it, including human females, is mere property created for males to own, to breed, and to destroy as they see fit, having commodified the planet, plants, animals, and other people, and being dependent upon the genocide-for-profit industry of capitalist imperialism, doesn't want to allow us to become a viable species, so it subjugates females. That's not murder of babies and children, although millions of babies and children are indeed murdered, it is murder of the planet and of all living things on it, by morons who believe in some deity who created a world with the plan and intention of having them destroy it, the deity who supposedly created it being unable to destroy it without their help, or perhaps wishing them to destroy it as a test of their obedience.

    Or, in other words, shit's fucked up and bullshit.

    I used to oppose the death penalty. But then I began to ask myself how it could have been possible for patriarchy to take over the world. I think we started out like any other viable species, able to control our population growth in accordance with available resources, and survived that way for tens of thousands of years or more. But I think that our early ancestors may have had too much respect for life. When somebody committed a crime against ecological viability and sustainability, a crime against life itself, like killing unnecessarily, or raping or impregnating a female who didn't want to have a child, instead of killing the perpetrator, early people must have so valued community and so respected life, that they'd simply exile the offender from the community. Eventually the rapists and murderers who had been exiled found each other, banded together, and realized how easy it was for people with no respect for life, to swoop down on settlements of people who respected life, kill everyone who tried to defend themself (most were nonviolent and thought they could reason with the attackers, so they were easy to kill), and take the small children as slaves and future wives. So now, while I still oppose the death penalty in all other cases, particularly when it is used unfairly, I think the death penalty is necessary, unless we can afford to quarantine each perpetrator so that they can't spread their evil to others, in cases of crimes against life and crimes against the bearers of life, because if those who have no respect for life are allowed to live, they will continue to destroy life and the planet so that nobody can live.
     
  13. crustybeckham

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    I think you forgot to type "once upon a time" as an introduction to your last paragraph.
     
  14. fubarista

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    Hey, no offense intended.
     
  15. nike

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    thanx and don't worry, we are working on it, trying to break some bonds of dependency and isolation, the risks and limits resulting from that and try something new: she now has a handful of moms, and sisters, maybe even a dad or two to make the best out of the time she needs to grow up and can endure some medical treatment which might help to cope with the lack of hearing and verbal communication. i get a new turn too, already critisized as "going for a male role" - by mostly males - but all i do is getting an education/pro-studies in a direction completely opposite to what i've done before, i give a shit about categorisation in male/female professions, what counts for me is that one day i'll be able to seed and harvest (i have a agricultural educaten) and repair, rebuild and even optimize machines and equipment used in farm working.
    of course i will be her mom, nothing could change that and i don't want to, but i'm not enough - so we get the support of others in a very similiar situation. maybe it's a way to overcome the old family thingie and a better way to deal with the social and economical problems.
    no, i don't want to complain about how hard it is to get motherhood and a work profession together in one life, guess it would be impossible if i would try it on my own under "equal circumstances" in the administration asking me (a twentysomething with parents living overseas, i haven't seen them for years) - couldn't your family support you?
    i think you mix up different things:
    a rejection of ending lives i believe every sane human shares valueing his/her own life -
    and a moral value rating on sex - which could result in procreation - must butt it not. in my eyes sex isn't just one thing, pleasure is just one of the aspects, but there is relation building, social contact, self-affirmation, frustration reduction, exitement and relaxation, whatever else one might find - so as the selfconscious social being that we are, we are far beyond the simple "sex is procreation" - resulting in a "refusing or interrupting pregnancy" is selfish hedonism.
    innas social rehab instructor did exactly this, declaring the example-womans wish to continue with her life according to her plan as selfish and hedonistic - but the consequences? ignoring her right and will of self-determination and condemning her to give up her life and face the social and economical problems he never spoke of - just for a false moral reason - the fate of the child doesn't matter to him as long as "don't kill for your pleasure" is kept.
     
  16. fubarista

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    There are a lot of different kinds of sex, including, but in no way limited to, hormonal sex, impulsive sex, sex to relieve boredom, chemically assisted or augmented sex, procreative sex, survival sex, etc., etc., but unless there is full social and economic equality, people often can't distinguish between or among them. And when people don't see themselves as part of an ecosystem, egos, beliefs, desires, and social conditioning or peer pressure can make things look a lot different from what they really are.

    I'm not sure about a lot of stuff in this video, but the stuff about human farming is on point:

    The Story of Your Enslavement

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

    Even the unintentional production of cannon fodder or consumers for the state is much more murderous than aborting.
     
  17. nike

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    dunno mymarkx, and with due respects if you care about such things: the vid is gruesome...
    we have a number of discussions onboards dealing with "trouble started with agriculture" and you may take a look, but in view of the theory about groups of patriarchal dissidents taking over peaceful gynocentric cultures by force, this may be of interest too, the still discussed main version of archeologists and paleolinguists:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithi ... ity_Theory
    muchos importante:
    the "urheimat" of the indo-europeans is still unknown, there are lots of missing links and unknown fates of lost cultures which appeared, left their marks and ???. gimbutas was presumably much to much into feminism and overinterpreted religious symbols she found, she knew nothing/didn't cared about the fact, that warrior weapons (varying from hunters weapons), hillforts and earth-walled sanctuaries, dating back to the very same time of the kurgans, were found at the natural transit routes of the early migration period, which saw a constant come and go of people. maybe she never realized that certain paleo- and neolithic burial traditions resulting in the absence of armament don't mean, that there was no war before the mounted androcratics and sun- and thunder worshippers came from the east.
     
  18. fubarista

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    The vids of deformed babies born in areas hit with depleted uranium are pretty gruesome also, as are the vids of torture and of US troops pissing on corpses. Those last mentioned have to be pro-lifers--who else would piss on a corpse?

    Warrior weapons are different from hunters' weapons? In what way? As far as I know, anything, from a rock to a nuke, that can be used to kill a human animal, can be used to kill other animals.

    Science: The business of taking things out of context so as to misunderstand them better.
     
  19. Sti

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    my personal opinion, the hard fact is that we are facing severe overpopulation in the coming times if not already severe. The effect on the planet that adding a person has is increasing as well as the people. our planet cannot sustain more simply with its number of natural resources (Overfishing, deforestation, standards of living etc) So i beleive abortion is necessity. And who has the right to tell someone what they can or cannot do with their own selves or an extension of themselves. an unborn baby is an extension of the mother yes its a person but only a potential person. you dont remember your birth right? you wouldnt have known if you had lived or not, you would not miss something you have never had. and a child does not deserve an unfit life. in the state of the world i think we ought to fix alot of things before we continue on our long mass reproduction parade. Deindustrializing is a beginning remedy, with food made by us gigantic surpluses would not be there to feed exponentially multiplying populations. eventually most people would end up having families of 1 or more children. Less work to grow the food to sustain themselves along with the dicotomy of shared land necessary from our already incredibly gigantic population.and the fact we might accidently abort our savior and be stuck in this mess i think is a sedative excuse to not make the action yourselves, you know what the problems are, find the solutions, they are there. its selfish to assume that we are cheating a baby out of its life when we are taking something that is already living, our own mother earth and torturing it until it and all of us and everything is dead. so call yourself pro 1 babies life and il call myself pro every babies future. :ecouteurs:
     
  20. silasraven

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    i must tell you about you idea of we dont have enough food. thats is a total lie. i used to work for walmart and when i would go and dump trash we had boxes and boxes of produce sitting in the compactor time and time again. i worked for a cinema and time after time i was eating someone else untouches popcorn and naco's complete with cheese and drinking soda from people who didnt even bother to touch it. we have the food its there lying in dumpsters ive doven into to eat. go to a pizza hut or little ceasers. you'll see it. we have the food we do.
     
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