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butcher · Oct 30, 2011

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guess one fine day i will understand what's the point making this we-are-doomed-the-end-is-near-rant of some depressive sunnyboy better than creammethinks chummy selfpromotion?

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Yeah, i shoulda said: 'this is better once you get past the insurrectionist posturing'

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betrayed by the stolid fatalism of the communist ultraleft

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It is easier to imagine the end of life on earth than our own old age.

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The stuff on democracy and communism is well strong but.

Thus is better than the 'check how fucking cool we are!' crimethinc text.

butcher · Oct 30, 2011

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Class Rules Everything Around Me / WOT, NO DEMANDS?

A 1% shift can have massive repercussions in a global economy- a 1% shift in the TED spread signifies a looming disaster for liquidity, a 1% rise in interest rates can shut down SME’s across continents. The same holds for the economy of rhetoric. Last year, when the British government started the implementation of “Austerity Measures” with the comprehensive spending review, the justifying refrain that rang throughout the media was one of shared sacrifice- “We Are All In This Together”. One year on from the CSR and the media is alive with a new mantra- “We Are The 99%”. A 1% shift in the social cohesion markets signifies a significant shift in the dissent markets.

The metaphor might be stretched, but it illustrates an important point about the #Occupy movement, for whom “We Are The 99%” is about the only point of unity at the moment. Whilst those involved in organised politics worry or mock the movement for lacking a political programme, that very political naivete is indicative of the depth of the crisis. #Occupy is a result of a growth in widespread, popular dissent, incapable of finding expression in existing political modes, and the “1%” slogan is a highly significant breaking of the “All In This Together” rhetoric and the conception of a popular class narrative to the economic and social crisis.

In recent articles both Paul Mason and Andreas Whittam Smith have touched upon this uncertain new landscape. In his recent blogpost “‘Occupy’ is a response to economic permafrost” Mason highlights this diversity, and the rejection of a lobbyist-rich parliamentary system, noting that “they have no intention of “raising demands” on Labour in opposition.” He also picks up on the memetic nature of the idea of the occupation of public space, as we focused on during the wave of Indignados occupations earlier in the year. But Whittam-Smith picks up on a much wider historical point about the haphazard nature of protests that can arise before major insurrections and periods of heated class struggle, claiming “At some point, this excessive difference [of income disparity] is going to cause trouble. Has that moment come?”. The current movement of Capital- hoarding, stabilisation, reorganisation– by a campaign of austerity that secures money markets at the expense of working-class lives can lead only to what we might call “growth in the class-struggle demographic” in the ideology markets.

The growth in public opposition to austerity was demonstrated pretty neatly by the short-shrift Louise Mensch received on “Have I Got News For You” last weekend. Trotting out some easy jibes against “anti-capitalist” protest, she demonstrated just how out of touch Westminster is with even mainstream sentiments. Mensch missed the nerve that #Occupy touches- that the “austerity” rhetoric is a sham, and that there is a developing popular critique of capital, more than “no to Starbucks”, which is outstripping the political critique offered by parliamentary parties in the marketplace of ideas.

Mensch attempts an effective, if crude, discrediting trick– to attribute to people beliefs and values they don’t actually have, then chide them for failing to live up to them. Her perpetuation of the stereotype of capitalism as a “thing” one can opt in or out of fell flat on its face. As if we, the working-class, were not the very thing that makes capitalism work– as if it were not the value we produce and the demand we produce that sustains capital– as if capital were not a zombie feeding off living labour.

We are not “outside” capitalism and neither are our struggles and demands- but our demands can be realised as more than consumer or parliamentary demands. Class power can produce class demands, demands that force capital to move- the motor of innovation that capital must react to in ever more creative and damaging ways in order to continue exploitation. Class innovates, capital reacts, whether it’s through concessions such as the welfare state, or aggressive reorganisation of labour, as in the globalisation of capital and introduction of easy consumer credit as a replacement for wages since the 1970′s. 1919-21, 1944, 1968, 1977– these were not the actions of an oppressed class pushed to the edge, but an innovative class power pushing capitalism so close to the brink it had react with militarisation, state violence and savage economic restructuring.

As Whittam-Smith postulates, at the moment we find ourselves in a moment of reconfiguration of class power- an in-between phase, a “permafrost” where our class is beginning the formulation of new demands and new struggle. It is economically impossible to return to either the neo-liberal social form, predicated as it is on cheap credit, or the social-democratic form, predicated on the organised labour of the mass-worker. Class struggle can only perpetuate for the foreseeable future. To believe that the urban poor (pushed onto workfare slavery, lacking education opportunity and facing rising food and consumer prices) or the under-employed graduate class (with no hope of cheap credit, lacking stable or even paid employment and ever-rising rent) are just going to “settle down” and contribute seems like a utopianism of astounding naiveté that can be believed by few outside Westminster and its assorted lobbyists and think-tanks.

Meanwhile, the public sector is heading the same way as the Miners, a victim of capital’s curious blend of ideology and ruthless pragmatism. As the Miner’s Strike was symbolic of the necessary destruction of class power in the form of organised labour, so the destruction of the NHS (made infinitely easier by the absence of any meaningful trade union militancy) marks capital’s victory over that working-class concessionary demand, the welfare state. Make no bones about it– the social-democratic model which bought the working-class such gains, and represented a genuine and meaningful victory for our class, simply does not and cannot stand up as an organising model against the complex and diverse properties and models of 21st century, globalised, neo-liberal model of post-fordist capitalism.

New forms of class power must, and are, emerging but will, and are, blindsiding us who so vainly search for an emergent model which mirrors the ones we inherited. Andreas Whittam Smith and Paul Mason detect this current and struggle to name it. We too have no prediction as to its shape. But it looms, silently growing, over our heads, like Marx’s great spectre. DSG, for one, welcome our new overlords of class power.

It is within this reformulation that we must contextualise #Occupy. #Occupy is not a mass movement, but it is an arrow in a quiver that is rapidly filling; a quiver of class antagonism. At a time when the class is beginning a reassertion after 15 years of capitalist realism, to attack an undeniable pole of attraction for many working-class people seems churlish in the extreme, and somehow missing the point. Bringing the crisis home– that is, agitating the class and breaking the “all in this together” rhetoric of parliament– will involve a massive plurality of struggles, and #Occupy serves that end well. Misgivings over “fluffy” politics are understandable, but it is through experience that political thought develops, and state violence is rapidly radicalising the #Occupy grassroots, with #OccupyOakland today passing a motion for a citywide General Strike following the state crackdown earlier in the week. Combined with a growing street presence, escalating industrial action and a general sense of unrest over rent, debt and fuel poverty, working-class people in Britain too are reasserting class in the struggle with capital.

Class struggle is a lived experience, a practice, not a series of treatises; it is a fight, and fights are reactions to events, not a choreographed, preplanned dance. Events like #Occupy are the start of a new explicit antagonism towards capital for many people- like all good political experiences, it is a set of questions as much as a book of answers.

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vAsSiLy77 · Oct 30, 2011

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dead serious: i found it by chance, i was looking for something else and at first i couldn't believe it myself, but after the eternal Gobblez saw it too:
the hype of the year was born in vanity fair...

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okay, i see it too, so it must be real - but Gobblez is eternal - so why should we trust him...

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guess one fine day i will understand what's the point making this we-are-doomed-the-end-is-near-rant of some depressive sunnyboy better than creammethinks chummy selfpromotion?

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despite being a scene idiot: at least he mentions an acceptable solution/happy end after all his dumb and purely polemical blabla about agoras and working class movements (who the fuck is actually working in greece, italy and even in the US?) - worst part is this "enemy of the people" selfstylisation, hahaha, "see how wild i am" - but in the opposite:
it's nice to see the boshevization of Nike Mihailowna taking root...

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wanna have a laugh in all this carneval mess?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... all-street
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... -questions

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and guess i deserve a working class hero medal for sparing ap-net the german interviews with the leading zeitgeist clique of the leaderless mess in frankfurt - they are already controlling the net-output , ban banners of leftwing trade union yoofs...

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well, this one wasn't really funny, i'm considering to stay out of state and shamed into exile, it's embarrassing - and for this, Nike Mihailowna: 10 essays about the consequences of defeatism in the international working class movement - the number of extra shifts in the kitchen you will enjoy is still debated by the collective...

butcher · Oct 30, 2011

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...working class movements (who the fuck is actually working in greece, italy and even in the US?) - worst part is this "enemy of the people" selfstylisation

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what are you talking about?

vAsSiLy77 · Oct 30, 2011

bullshit like this:

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We do not count. If we have any power at all, it is because we are the enemies of all majority, enemies of “the people.” As the old song goes, we are nothing and must become everything

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Though it is a key characteristic of capitalism that each generation of its victims has, in its way, considered its persistence beyond a few decades unlikely if not preposterous

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We are the generation of the abandoned, the betrayed. Tossed up on the shores of the present by 150 years of failed insurrection, by the shipwreck of the workers’ movement, the failure of a hundred political projects. But it is not only our once-upon-a-time friends who have departed. Today, even our enemies flee from us, even capital abandons us: no more its minimum promises, the right to be exploited, the right to sell one’s labor power. Abandoned, we greet the world with utter abandon. There is no longer any possible adequacy of means and ends, no way of subordinating our actions to the rational or the practical.

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No, the future only presents as ruin, apocalypse, burning metal in the desert. It is easier to imagine the end of life on earth than our own old age.

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This is why anxieties over the implicit statism of anti-austerity struggles are baseless

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Nor is there any longer a “Left” in any meaningful sense, as a force that desires to manage the existing world on different terms, in the name of the workers or the people. Those radicals who, tired of the weakness of the loyal opposition, imagine themselves called upon to “destroy the left” find that their very existence is predicated upon this old, vanished enemy. There is no Left left: only the great dispirited mass of the center, some wild and misdirected antagonism at the fringes.

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just because the workers organizing and fighting back via sabotage and strikes never made it into the media doesn't mean they don't exist. there is consciousness and resistance as a consequence, in Poland for example it's a growing movement to turn private enterprises in associations and cooperatives even in the dire circumstances of still growing capitalism and it's enforced factual constraints and limitations. Greece and Italy riot in the news - but nobody is talking about the rebirth of workers self-control and the network of anarchist collectives and communes.

butcher · Oct 30, 2011

The funniest thing about this is how it whinges about the 'ultra-left' but is still firmly situated within it.

The 'we are nothing', 'we are the 0%' stuff is reflected by Negri and Hardt here:
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com ... ?hpt=hp_c2
and by a mate of mine here:

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We are, quite simply, the 0%: those who are precisely un-represented in the political sphere, and who thus choose to represent themselves. When we choose move from schemas of representation to politics proper, we leave behind any idea that this is an act of protest.

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The no future and uppity Frenchmen is basically from Blaumachen:
http://libcom.org/library/transitional- ... -era-riots

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The younger participants are not only confronted to the additional two years of the retirement age, but they should work for forty years in order to qualify for retirement, whereas they know that they are unemployed persons in waiting. The trap of a life containing solely precarious work or unemployment and death was becoming common to all.

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enemy of "the people" is the same in the DSG stuff:

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the “1%” slogan is a highly significant breaking of the “All In This Together” rhetoric and the conception of a popular class narrative to the economic and social crisis.

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thus

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We do not count. If we have any power at all, it is because we are the enemies of all majority, enemies of “the people.” As the old song goes, we are nothing and must become everything

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is pretty vaild. We've got nothing and we want everything.

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With the exception of a few benighted activists and media ideologues, everyone understands quite well that the Keynesian card was played long ago, blown on wars and bailouts, the victim of its own monstrous success. There will be no rebirth of the welfare state, no “reindustrialization” of society. This much is obvious: if there is an expansion of the state, it will be a proto-fascist austerity state.

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This kinda follows Theorie Communiste's stuff, Capitalism is restructuring, etc, etc.

Thus when they write stuff like:

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But there is no intelligentsia anymore and there certainly is no workers’ movement to speak of.

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we see this reflected in a Left who responds to the UK riots with, at best, calls for the rioters to join their 'campaign for union and student rights against austerity'.
There will be no return to Keynesianism, this is what they're attacking primarily, instead calling for:

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...a concrete movement toward the satisfaction of needs outside of wage and market, money and compulsion. The assembly becomes real, loses its merely theatrical character, once its discourse turns to the satisfaction of needs, once it moves to taking over homes and buildings, expropriating goods and equipment. In the same way, the riot finds that truly destroying the commodity and the state means creating a ground entirely inhospitable to such things, entirely inhospitable to work and domination.

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in other words:

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...the rebirth of workers self-control and the network of anarchist collectives and communes.

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vAsSiLy77 · Oct 30, 2011

with the recommendations of the peoplez commissariat & the terrific trinity -
time for a laughing break again:

butcher · Oct 30, 2011

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Just heard Denver Occupiers have just had their heads kicked in by the pigs. :/

nike · Oct 30, 2011

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well, this one wasn't really funny, i'm considering to stay out of state and shamed into exile, it's embarrassing - and for this, Nike Mihailowna: 10 essays about the consequences of defeatism in the international working class movement - the number of extra shifts in the kitchen you will enjoy is still debated by the collective...

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it is funny: ONE BIG GLOBAL MOVEMENT & WE ARE THE 99% COOKIES... and after everybody keeps being mean to me i consider to become a cookie too, so at least the frankfurt cops will be nice to me! (and a tai chi teacher and a three-jobs-student will explain the world to me, and lotsa other miracles too... so i can come out of the garbagebin of corporatism, grab some me some merchandise... and see radioheads for free!

(and i've to say sorry to the collective for not having time for essays and kitchen duties, 'cause we have kinda general assembly of the FnB activists right here&now, discussing en detail how to deal with uniformed disturbances and remote controlled hipster infiltrators playing media games.
and it's more than nice to see how practical and well orientated the gang is:

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but in the opposite:
it's nice to see the boshevization of Nike Mihailowna taking root...

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bolshevix might forgive - i don't...

butcher · Oct 30, 2011

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is that what investment bankers look like now?

butcher · Oct 30, 2011

Occupied Wall Street back when it was cool:

nike · Oct 30, 2011

naaaaa, that's what the real victims of capitalism look like

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just heard denver occupiers have just had their heads kicked in by the pigs.

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http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacente ... ame%20here
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2011/10/3 ... f+Crime%29

punkmar77 · Oct 30, 2011

Friday morning we got our heads kicked in, here is the evidence, the official police statement said no one was hurt at all....the last photo is the state attempting to erase evidence.

ungovernable · Oct 30, 2011

Bastards....

Here they are just waiting for the winter to come, it should be snowing in a couple of days, so they protesters will just go home and the police will LOOKS like they are cool and doesnt disallow them to protest. These bastards wont have to dirty their hands. Thats why they dont care right now, and anyway the protests aren't disturbing.... The mayor of Quebec City even said he wanted to allow them to protest.

vAsSiLy77 · Oct 31, 2011

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New postby lil'apple on 30/10/2011, 14:39
well, this one wasn't really funny, i'm considering to stay out of state and shamed into exile, it's embarrassing - and for this, Nike Mihailowna: 10 essays about the consequences of defeatism in the international working class movement - the number of extra shifts in the kitchen you will enjoy is still debated by the collective...

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it IS funny, especially because the germuns just turbo up the anticipated (global) process of producing "a movement" out of populistic nothings via media-machinations and the use of decades of experience with experts like joshka fisher ect. - frankfurt was always a special breeding ground for wire-pullers and manipulators using the "democratic process" to get their 15 minutes in the limelights.
the mess of the green party in the early 80's, the rise of the "realos" 10 years later... frankfurt frankfurt über alles - 'till it gets cold outside, bye bye tai-chi teachers and thrice-occupation-students making up 99& of them cookies...

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... and after everybody keeps being mean to me i consider to become a cookie too, so at least the frankfurt cops will be nice to me! (and a tai chi teacher and a three-jobs-student will explain the world to me, and lotsa other miracles too...

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nadanjet, you keep learning by doing, Nike Mihailowna - or else the polit bureau will eat you - the frankfurt cops are just watching the weather reports and the tv-teams too, just ask the W-man how "nice" them could be if there are no cameras near, he still keeps numerous scars remembering him of their passionate affection... i still thank the fates that his part in that affair never was so pitifully one-sided.

butcher · Nov 1, 2011

nike · Nov 1, 2011

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decades of experience with experts like joshka fisher

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you think of "squire" joschkas use of his personal "putzkolonne" - "party members" who only showed up at important votings but never at other occasions - and always voted for the fischer-man's cause?
the hessian NPD had the same idea, calling for their members to infiltrate the "general assemblies" anonymously - while zeitgeist did it openly, not only in frankfurt, but in Vienna and swizzerland too...

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or else the polit bureau will eat you

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actually not recommended, my blood alcohol level is poisonous to cannibals - learning from arrow poison frogs means to learn to win!

ungovernable · Nov 2, 2011

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Occupy Oakland Attempts to Shut Down City with America's First General Strike in 65 Years
Today, Occupy Oakland may just pull off a feat that appeared all but impossible a few days ago. If they do, it will represent a dramatic escalation of the movement's tactics.

At Occupy Oakland's October 27 General Assembly, activists still sore and weary from a night of brutal police crackdowns (but also energized after re-taking the plaza from which they'd been violently evicted 36 hours before) considered whether to attempt to organize the first general strike in this country in 65 years.

It would be an extremely tall order. But today, they might just pull off a feat that appeared all but impossible just a few short days ago.

At the General Assembly, activists debated whether to move quickly, capitalizing on the attention the previous day's police actions had brought to their cause, or give themselves more time to organize. "I support a general strike right now to take advantage of this momentum,” said one speaker excitedly at the “people's mic” that evening. “We should strike while the iron's hot!" The sentiment was greeted by raucous applause, and the resolution passed shortly afterward.

Wednesday, November 2, was the date chosen. The strike, said activist Louise Michel at an October 31 press conference, was spurred “by a need to end police attacks on our communities, to defend our schools and libraries against closures, and against this economic system.” The occupiers, Michel continued, called for “a day of action in which the circulation of capital is blockaded, students walk out of their schools and people stage various occupations” around the city. The activists vowed to protest any businesses that keep their doors open during the strike.

They also planned to shut down the Port of Oakland, the fifth busiest container port in the United States and the scene of violent clashes between labor activists and police during the 2003 anti-war protests.

With only five short days to organize a city-wide action, the logistics appeared daunting. Since the passage of the Taft-Hartley Act in 1947, unions have been legally barred from officially participating in strikes “in support of other workers” – general strikes have been effectively illegal since then. (Interestingly, the last general strike in the U.S. occurred in Oakland, California, in 1946. Its epicenter, on the corner of Broadway and Telegraph, was just blocks away from Occupy Oakland's current “camp” in front of City Hall.)

But in those five days, an enormous amount of momentum has built up behind the action. SEIU, UAW, the Alameda Labor Council – an umbrella group representing over 100 local unions – and several other locals, including two area teachers' unions, endorsed the strike, coming as close to officially participating in the event as legally possible.

According to the Oakland Police Officers' Association, Oakland Mayor Jean Quan “issued a memo on Friday, October 28th to all City workers in support of the 'Stop Work' strike scheduled for Wednesday, giving all employees, except for police officers, permission to take the day off.” All Oakland police officers, on the other hand, have been ordered to work today – vacations and days off have been canceled.

Occupations in cities around the country are staging various “solidarity events” with today's march, and are also helping spread the word within their own networks. The whole world, it seems, will be watching to see if a relatively small group of dedicated activists can pull off a difficult feat and bring the economy of California's eighth largest city to a grinding halt.

If they do, it will represent a dramatic escalation of the Occupy Movement's tactics to date. A general strike is the most potent shot that can be fired across the bow of “the 1 percent.”

A success today will provide a unique opportunity to drive home the movement's message. In the age-old struggle between labor and capital, the latter has clearly won – we now have the highest share of the nation's income going to corporate profits and the lowest share to working people's wages since the Great Depression. The right claims, with endless repetition, that the richest Americans are “wealth creators.” By abstaining from work – and from shopping – the working people of Oakland have an opportunity to prove that capital without labor produces nothing at all.

“The banks got bailed out while we got sold out” is a chant that's become ubiquitous at Occupy actions across the country. The banks got showered with cash and loan guarantees because they were deemed “too big too fail” – their demise, we were told, would spread throughout the entire economy. Occupy Oakland took a big gamble trying to get a broad general strike together with very little time to organize, but if successful, they might also drive home the reality that “the other 99 percent” are also too big to fail – that our economy can't function without a healthy, educated and economically secure workforce. Stay tuned.

Joshua Holland will be on the ground in Oakland for the strike. Follow him on Twitter for updates throughout the day.

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ungovernable · Nov 2, 2011

Massive Protests Have Basically Shut Down The Port Of Oakland -- The Fifth Busiest Port In America

There are now 4,500 people marching on the Port of Oakland. So far there have been no arrests, and no one has been hurt.

At least, that's what the Oakland Police Chief Jordan said in a press conference that just ended a moment ago. The Mayor is describing the protest as "largely peaceful", despite the fact that the port has effectively been shut down and public employees have been allowed to leave work.

The police are also targeting 60-70 people who are causing all of the problems (like, the vandalism around the city, for example). Officials have described them as wearing black with scarves or masks covering their faces — sounds like anarchists.

According to people tweeting on the ground, the protesters are chanting "whose port, our port!" and have blocked all seven terminals to the port:

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-port ... z1cbgQTC2B

Officials say that protesters are not allowed to penetrate the gates of the port, that's a federal offense. If they do, they'll be arrested. The next press briefing is at 9:00 pm PST, so we'll have more word then.

Now rumor has it that San Mateo police are heading to Oakland to reinforce law enforcement. Meanwhile, the protesters are dancing and singing on container trucks.

Here's what the ramp to the port looks like, people everywhere:

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