NGNM85's list of fascists and authoritarians fake anarchists

NGNM85 says that anyone who is against tolerating hate speech is a fascist, an authoritarian, a stalinist and a fake anarchist.

The list of peoples against hate speech is very long, so i quickly wrote down the most popular organizations, bands, and historical example of anarchism against hate speech tolerance. We could probably make this list 100 times bigger. On the other side, the list of organization, philosophers or bands tolerating free speech for the nazis is VERY short. And the list of historical example of anarchism in action where hate speech was tolerated is EMPTY.

All of those organizations, bands and historical examples are our COMRADES, they are examples to follow and they are definatly anarchists. Of course Anarcho-punk.net supports all these examples and recognize itself into their ideas.

So now the question is : Do you think a speech like NGNM85's qualifying as fascist and authoritarian all those comrades who are examples to follow should be tolerated in a place that is dedicated to the fight those peoples are leading ? We are an anti-fascist forum. All of those bands listed here are available on anarcho-punk.net as download. When we distribute anti-fascist bands, we take a responsability. The responsability that this forum will not become a place where peoples can freely say those bands are fascists, authoritarians, stalinists, and fake anarchists.
Like our "who are we" text says: "Also understand that by claiming to be anarchist this site has to keep a minimum of coherence between words and action."

Sorry to start a topic about that, but i'm sick of repeating over and over again that it is a general consensus to NOT tolerate hate speech in the anarchist community. Anyway even if we have warned about the clarification to the point of unity, NGNM85 is still always bringing up the subject of free speech for the nazis, so i have all of the rights to do the same.
I didn't really post this to counter NGNM85's argument, but more to counter the arguments of the peoples who disagree with the recent modifications of the "who are we" text.


Those organisations are present everywhere in the world, they represent thousands and thousands of individuals from all countries:

RASH / Red and anarchist skinheads
RASPH / Red and anarchist punks and skinheads
SHARP / Skinheads against racial prejudices
ANTIFA
Anti Racist Action
Anti Fascist Action
Antifa Redskins
Nazi Watch
Rock Against Racism
Good Night White Pride
Anti Nazi League
Antifascist Rock Action
Turn it down
No pasaran
SCALP (france)
Anti Fascist Alliance
Anti Fascist Committee
Deport Racism Organization
Campaign Against Racism and Fascism
Anarcho Communist Federation
CNT
CNT-AIT
CNT-FAI
POUM
Anarchist Federation
NEFAC
UCL (quebec)
Class War
Anarchist Black Cross
International Workers Association
Red & Anarchist action network
The Angry Brigade
Alerta Antifascista
Red Warriors

Spanish Revolution
Ukraine Makhnovtchina
First International
Commune Of Paris
Kronsdadt Sailors
Zapatista Movement
EZLN
The anti-nazi resistance in world war II
Black Panthers
Bonnot Gang
Red Army Faction
The french revolution
Haymarket

Ungdumshuet
All anarchist squats in the world
All of our comrades in russia


Oi Polloi
Aus Rotten
Propagandhi
Kaos Urbano
Non Servium
SS Kaliert
Dead Kennedys
Brigada Flores Magon
Jeunesse Apatride
Los Fastidios
Loikaemie
Freiboiter
The Oppressed
Angelic Upstarts
Sham 69
Napalm Death
The Oi! Scouts
Stage Bottles
Antidote
Brixton Cats
Esclaves Salariés
Banlieue Rouge
A.P.P.L.E
Bérurier Noir
Contravene
Resist
Zyklon B
Angry Youth
Sin dios

and many many record labels, like Fire and Flames, Insurgence Records,

We could list millions of antifascist bands so i will stop here. In fact we could even say that almost ZERO anarcho-punk bands would tolerate nazis at their gigs, nor would they tolerate playing with nazis. So they could all fit in this topic. Same thing for anarchist organizations, nazis are definatly not allowed, anarcho-punk labels refuse to print nazi records, anarchist journals refuse to let the nazis express themselves, etc etc...

And we could also list all anarchist philosophers because none of them defended free speech for the nazis (except chomsky, who isn't an anarchist)

If you think some or all those examples are fake anarchists, stalinists, authoritarians and fascists then YOU are the fake anarchist and you definatly don't have your place inside this community.

So either you think that all those examples are fascists and that we must remove them from anarcho-punk.net because like the points of unity say, we do not tolerate fascist or authoritarian propaganda...
Or either you think it's definatly wrong and that NGNM85 is an idiot who is a shame to this forum and what it stands for.

"The website is a TOOL for people wanting to organize, and is NOT a free tribune nor a place for useless ideological wars between people and their different converging ideas."
"This site is a sort of a federation of bands and people sharing similar interests - and NOT a battleground for political opponents."

Oh, and i forgot to add myself to the list, and the majority of this forum

 

Not sure about crass, "white punks on hope" is pretty much a critic of the anti-fascism movement, this is aone of the very rare exceptions, probably the only one i can quote... but crass were also very "anarchy & peace"... nearly hippies..

 

It's funny how NGNM85 is totally ignoring this thread because he knows it's the truth.

NGNM85 please confirm us, like you said previously, all those examples are fascists, they are all authoritarians, all stalinists, all fake anarchists, and all those examples are incompatible by true anarchism.

On the left side, you got NGNM85 without any philosophers and without any historical examples to back up his theories on.... and on the right side, you got 150 years of anarchism in total contradiction with NGNM85's ideas........ One single person pretend that hundreds of examples of anarchism in action that deinied free speech for the nazis are authoritarians, fascists and fake anarchists..... WHO WIN ????

 

Hard to ignore when he's on all topics and when all topics turn around the debate that he started and that he keeps fuelling.

Anyway, i didn't post that only for NGNM85, a few other members also are against the recent modifications to the "who are we" text. They say that those modifications, clarifing we do not consider hate speech as free speech, is authoritarism. So those peoples should read this topic, and understand that if what we are doing is authoritarism, then the last 150 years of anarchism is also authoritarism.

 

I already explained this twice in this topic.

learn to read.

 

blah blah blah.

 

this thread isn't some childish bullshit because i refuse to agree with the results of a democratic vote. i already explained this is mainly a debate around the modifications to the points of unity...

it's funny how you also insult me like 20 times in your last messages, and yesterday you were whinning like the crybaby that you are about insults.... you are a fucking big hypocrite!!!

oh and....

Alert alert !!! Alerta antisexista !!!

AnarchoFem please come here, RUN, fast !!! We need your feminazi skills, someone used a sexist insult !!! BURN HIM, HANG HIM, PUT HIM AGAINST THE WALL AND SHOOT HIM !!!! This is untolerable !!

I hope you will piss him off during 10 posts and keep calling him a sexist like you did for me.