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  1. punkmar77

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    U.S. officials gave refuge to Nazis after World War II
    Monday, November 15, 2010 20:33 | postauthor by Prensa Latina

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    Otto Von Bolschwing

    Intelligence officials have created a safe haven in the United States for prominent Nazis and their collaborators after the Second World War, says a report released today by The New York Times.

    The Office of Special Investigations (OSI), created in 1979 to oust the Nazis, found that U.S. officials allowed into the country and welcomed former members of Hitler's inner circle, despite knowing their pasts.

    This was reflected in a 600-page text of the Justice Department that was kept secret, and that includes other successes and failures in the investigation of lawyers, historians and analysts of the OSI.

    According to the New York newspaper, although some collaboration of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in the protection of Nazi officials was known, the report presents a much higher level of complicity than ever thought before.

    The United States, which prided itself on being a safe haven for the persecuted, became, in a small way, a safe haven for pursuers.

    According to the newspaper, the document describes the support offered to Otto Von Bolschwing, assistant to Adolf Eichmann, as involved with the latter in plans to purge Germany of Jews. Von Bolschwing worked for the CIA in the U.S. in various capacities.

    The Documents also refer to Arthur L. Rudolph, a Nazi scientist who led a munitions factory, and then served rocket programs in U.S. territory.

    http://www.portaloaca.com/articulos/con ... 6d2c72%2C0
     

  2. vAsSiLy77

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    jesses, it must have been thousands of rats travelling the "rat-line" after the war ended 1945, people like wernher von braun, father of the us-rocket programs which led to the moon, not to mention his use to the military, still famous despite his nazi-past, he is still suspected to have personally selected prisoners for his projects in germun concentration camps 1943/44.

    A bit less known and somehow on the brink of conspiracy theories:
    (from wikipedia)
    A precursor of the MKULTRA program began in 1945 when the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency was established and given direct responsibility for Operation Paperclip. Operation Paperclip was a program to recruit former Nazi scientists. Some of these scientists studied torture and brainwashing, and several had just been identified and prosecuted as war criminals during the Nuremberg Trials.
    Several secret U.S. government projects grew out of Operation Paperclip. These projects included Project CHATTER (established 1947), and Project BLUEBIRD (established 1950), which was renamed Project ARTICHOKE in 1951. Their purpose was to study mind-control, interrogation, behavior modification and related topics.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

    Bolschwing was recruited by the CIC (later CIA) BEFORE the war in europe ended, he was one of the most highranking agents for the CIA in europe. 1949 he was appointed back to the "organisation gehlen", the later federal secret service of the germuns. Bolschwing used "old contacts" in Italy to controll the communist uprising in Greece and worked for CIA and organisation gehlen to prevent the infiltration of communist agents in the services.
    1954 his involvement in nazi-warcrimes became public, so he had to leave germuney and went to the US, where he became gehlens second in command.
    1969 Bolschwing became the head of the hightec "Trans-International Computer Investment Corporation“ in Sacramento, working entirely on secret weapon-projects of the pentagon.
    1979 investigations of his "past" before 1945 started (US District Court, Eastern District of California; Civil Action No. 81-308 MLS), but his age and bad health slowed down the investigations until he died 1982 in Sacramento after he voluntarily surrendered his United States citizenship in the previous year.
    http://ftrsupplemental.blogspot.com/198 ... ngled.html

    From Wikipedia:
    On April 20, 1940, Rudolph was appointed a Hauptsturmführer (equivalent rank to captain) in the SS, the Nazi paramilitary organization.
    In August 1943 — as Rudolph was ready to begin production of the V-2, the British bombed Peenemünde. The V-2 production facility was moved to the Mittelwerk facility near Nordhausen. Mittelwerk was originally a gypsum mine that was being used as a storage facility and was being excavated for production facilities. The labor force consisted of prisoners who were eventually housed at the Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp. Rudolph was in charge of moving the equipment from Peenemünde to Mittelwerk, working under Albin Sawatzki. After the plant was in place, Rudolph was placed in charge of the V-2 production. Sawatzki decreed that fifty V-2 rockets were to be produced in December. Given the labor and parts issues, Rudolph was barely able to produce four rockets that were later returned from Peenemünde as defective. In 1944, Himmler convinced Hitler to put the V-2 project directly under SS control, and in August replaced Dornberger with SS General Hans Kammler as its director. In January 1945 the SS ordered all of the civilians and prisoners, including Rudolph and his team, to attend a public hanging of several prisoners accused of sabotage. By March 1945, production had stopped due to a lack of parts and Rudolph and his staff were moved to Oberammergau where they met von Braun and others from Peenemünde. They finally surrendered to the U.S. Army and were transported to Garmisch.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Rudolph - biography in wikipedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ ... %28WWII%29 - rudolphs dealings with the brits
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelbau-Dora - the concentration camp build for the production of V1 & V2
     
  3. ungovernable

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    It is notorious that the US recruited ex-nazis to help fight communism during cold war, not really surprising, they also helped talibans to fight russians in afghanistan, etc etc... The enemies of their enemies are their friends.
     
  4. butcher

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    True, a large number also went and worked for the commies, as USSR 'hard power' was deemed to be less dangerous then US 'Jewish/Black' 'soft power' (ie culture) for ex-Nazis, the commies were only too happy to have good staff for the secret police.

    A large number also went to Egypt, supporting 'third power' position, whereby you ended up with interesting conflicts like Algeria where German nutzis were fighting for Algerian liberation against French fash fighting for the empire, lol.

    And don't forget the Catholic Church's role in getting many of the Nutzis outta Europe.

    A good text is Lee's 'The Beast Reawakens'
    Wiki entry
    And an intro is here
    soz, I'll try hunt down an online version or something, i can't exactly give you my copy, lol.
     
  5. vAsSiLy77

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    Because of the nutzi-germun technological lead on carrier rockets like the V2 and their advanced knowledge on/about jet-engines both, the western allies and the sowjets stood in concurrence to each other to capture the greater part of this knowledge - already in preparation of the cold war.
    Captured germuns were used to support the soviet jet-fighter-program or they worked on infantry weaponry, but I never heard that the stalinists engaged former nutzis to work on political objectives outside their territory and no matter what rank they had, captured ss-members were always sentenced to death as a reaction to the germun termination war on the eastern front.
    Are there any sources about fascist criminals in soviet service? Please post if you know any, it would cure me of the last bit of tolerance against the stalinists...

    Many former ss-members also used the french foreign legion to escape from europe, many ended up in Viet-nam to be beaten by uncle Ho's Viet-Minh, the germun journalist peter scholl-latour is suspected to have done this after a brief career in the nutzis waffen-ss.

    And after a little reading today I still recover from the shakes I got learning how many former nutzi-functionaries made it into new careers in the new germun state after the war, bolschwing and gehlen played a mayor role in their recruitment and the cover up of their past.
     
  6. snookams

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    alot of nazis also escaped to South America....

    plus nazism has alot of its foundation in American ideals anyway...eugenics was started by an American, and was a big influence for the nazi party...like ungov said, not too surprising.
     
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    Yeah, de-nutzification never really took place.
    I'll hunt down some sauce on the Sowjets for ya. :ecouteurs:
     
  8. vAsSiLy77

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    I think the common link was this hysterical fundamentalistic anti-communism of the nutzis and the u.s., but the northamericans doesn't seem to share the nutzis view of eugenics/racism - so many former nutzis went to court after becoming useless for the roll back of worldwide communism via the secret services or the weapons industry.

    The army officers that tried to kill ol'adolf h. at the 20th july 1944 like stauffenberg ect. also planned to ally with the northamericans and brits to continue the war on the eastern front to prevent the soviets occupying europe - again the main motive was the heriditary anti-communism of the germun military.

    Oh, and Charles Davenport didn't started the pseudo-science of eugenics, he and his followers were only the most "important specialists" of "modern" eugenics.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics - about "modern" eugenics

    But the "science" was founded by the british anthropologist francis galton, who used the term "eugenics" first around 1865 in his books "Hereditary Talent and Character" (1865) und "Hereditary Genius: An Inquiry into its Laws and Consequences" (1869). Other idiots like Herbert Spencer (1820-1903), Albert Schäffle (1821-1903), Heinrich Rickert (1863-1936) followed him, even the philosoph Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) wrote some really weird stuff about the duty to get rid of the weak and unhealthy to make room for the uber-mensch.
    Some claim that the idea of eugenics is dating back to plato and his "politeia" - he's also promoting the "rule of the able" without regard to the rights of the weak. :ecouteurs:

    I found something really weird about the early cooperation between the u.s.-officials and gehlen around 1945/46 - to "secure" old comrades of gehlen and to support his development of the "organisation" the americans handed the complete lists of wanted war criminals over to him - practically giving him a who's'who of "interesting" later employees and easy access to their whereabouts. So the de-nutzification was completely turned around in it's meaning...
    About the soviet side after the war: I only found former nutzi engineers working for the soviet armament industry, especially for the airforce - but no political use of nutzis.
     
  9. snookams

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    hmm some interesting stuff there, thanks for the info gobbledigooks....and that sucks about Nietzsche....almost every time i find interest in someone's writing it goes tits up....now i gotta change my quote out of prinicple.....

    but even though americans did take the nazis to court and try them, i think that was more a response to war than ideals. america knew what was going on in Germany in the 30's, and they even had banks here in america that held some of hitler's gold money as well as some other notorious nazis (actually, the bush family, as in george w. bush's elders, were the bankers who held some of hitler's stash).

    america is notorious for racism, and have been even more racist then nazi germany in my opinion. over tens of millions of native americans slaughtered....africans and other non-whites enslaved and oppressed (and often killed) after slavery. asian american countries also felt america's imperialist and racist wrath (not just japan, but vietnam, the phillipines...etc.). nazis are like santa's elves in comparison to the shit america has done to the world and to their own people. america has definately used some hard power and acted upon racist ideals for a looong time.

    also, i was reading a bio on noam chomsky (i know not everyone here likes him, but i could really care less, he's not a nazi...he's actually jewish so that'd be pretty idiotic if he was a nazi) and he recounts kids in his neighborhood celebrating the nazis when they took over france. and their was a strong nazi party in the U.S. before WWII even got started.....
     
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    it would be more accurate to say: 'the americans took a small number of nazis to court and try them'
     
  11. vAsSiLy77

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    After some long discussion yesterday about the matter I'm a bit wiser than before, so I have to say that I didn't noticed your nietzsche-quotation snookams, my mention of nietzsches point of view on the uber-mensch wasn't aimed at you, it only resulted from the german wikipedia's mention that nietzsche was one of the philosophical sources to justify the "duty" to use eugenics to make the world "better". The nutzis used nietzsche extensively to promote their point of view on dealing with sub-humans and his sister elisabeth was very eager to provide them with edited scraps of his unfinished writings after his death.
    (nietzsche himself regarded her as intrigant and over-ambitious, but without any philosophical talent, he used to called her "the lama".)
    Ten or twelve years ago some germun literature-scientist came up with the theory that most of his notorious "racist" writings were actually re-written texts by his sister who used his fame for her own good.
    So I guess it's a bit uncertain "how much" of a racist friedrich nietzsche really was, but at least he was surely neglecting the collective nature of humanity, so his point of view is not my cup of tea, I think he was wrong with his way to deal with the consequences of personal emanzipation.

    I think the main difference between the germun/west-european and the north american racism was it's source, the first pogroms in western europe happend at the time of the first crusade in the 11. century, Spain had it's share at the reconquista 700 - 1492 a.d. ending up with no jews left in spain, and only the eastern parts of europe had a constant history of anti-semitism with the development of ghetto-culture and nearly regular pogroms, interrupted by mostly short relatively open-minded periods of tolerance.
    The anti-semitic movement was clearly the church's doing first, replaced by bourgeois intellecutals and "scientists" after the period of enlightment (Aufklärung) in the 17th century and while the jews were assimilated into the general population, philosophers and "free thinkers" kept the spark of anti-semitism glowing.
    Jews and gypsies kept some strange reputation, especially where the christian belief was strong, but there were only a few open excesses of hostility against minorities like the dreyfus-affair in france.
    The next time anti-semitism grew really strong again was after the first world war, when the anti-semites became the leading part of the anti-republican movement especially in germuny - ol'adolfs rise to power with the package of "scientific" racism on his back, but even then anti-semitism didn't became a "popular" movement, it was still an administrative thing, ordinary people followed because of the consequences of resistance or at least doubts.
    For the northamerican racism I would say that it was a peoples reaction on the conflicts resulting from the general system based upon exploitation and unequality. The later afro-americans as a slave class in modern times have no equal in europe after (england abolished the slave trade and liberated the slaves in it's colonies), but the same applies to the american natives as an obstacle to the unlimited expansion of the state - unlike in europe - there was a "need" to justify the actual repression/exploitation of the blacks and the extermination of the natives to keep the system running and expanding.
    After the liberation of the afro-americans they became a treat to the poor white classes, which feared to became the new bottom class without any chance to reassure themselves of a better status than that of slaves. I think it was the treat to the neglected lower classes which made racism that popular in the u.s.

    Given the short time for comitting the nutzis racist warcrimes I think they are still unequalled with not only six million jews exterminated in less than three years when the death camps were working in industrial scale, starting at the end of 1942 with the first "test"-gassings and reaching a top quote with 12 000 people per day alone in Auschwitz-Birkenau in summer 1944 at the time of the "hungary"-action, which killed around 700 000 people in 4 months.
    The soviets lost 20 million people between 1941 and 1945, the stalinists mistakes on warfare did their share to that number, but the germuns turned the conventional war into a extermination campaign with the more or less openly declared aim to drive the slavic sub-humans behind the ural and continue their extermination after the european jews were "finished". 3 300 000 soviet prisoners of war died in germun camps, the total number of military losses is around 13 000 000, while 6 000 000 million civillians died.
    The Poles lost a fifth of their population in four and a half years of occupation, 300 000 soldiers and six million civillians.
    The total number of victims of germun mass-war crimes for the time between 1939 and 1945 is an estimated 12 810 000 - in just six years (and again: The death camp system started only late in 1942 and ended mostly in autumn 1944)!

    I'm not sure about north americas warcrimes like the bombing of dresden and tokio, hiroshima & nagasaki, weirdos like westmoreland and lemay again in Vietnam or roosevelts campaigns against the spanish in cuba and the philippines - at least for WWII the excesses might have been demonstrations of power towards the soviets - just show them what we are able to do...
    Still working my way through the history of the Vietnam wars I tend to agree with Chomsky's point of view - the military-industrial complex running amok after being unleashed, administration running high without any understanding of the conflict and constantly clueless how to deal with those bare-footed yellow misfits...
    And even if the breakdown of the u.s. economy was the real cause to end the war 1973, there was a strong anti-war-movement too with lots of open resistance treatening the system - too bad that it fell asleep at large, but lets hope for the future while obama sports this afghan/iraq affair...
     
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    very good points gobbledigooks....i suppose that while both the US and nazi Germany had done terrible racist and murderous things, the WWII-era was the fastest progression of those kinds of actions, especially within nazi Germany of course.

    but i think both the actions of the Americans for the last 400-odd years and the nazi's for the short amount of time were quite similar....time and circumstance were the only factors that differed among the two empires, but they were still one in the same as far as attitudes of "leadership" goes. america is a brutal empire, and as you read more into US history, that becomes more clear, and easily identifiable with hard facts. from the perspective of being American, many people here do not think america is an evil empire, or are not aware of the global actions america takes outside of what is shown on the news TV or the newspaper.

    as far as obama goes...he really is just a basic US president, skin color aside. He has established new party lines, he has pushed us further into war, and is trying to push his own agenda through, just as most if not all US presidents do. nothing really special or surprising...but at least its not George W....
    and as far nietzsche goes, i'm glad you told me...i'd rather not be ignorant to his beliefs, or lack there of, as a person outside of what he wrote. i've just noticed a trend- whenever i get into someone's writing, i learn something ridiculous about them that just pisses me off...

    and yea butcher, that'd be more accurate to say it that way
     
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    for a "scientific" view on racism i would recommend this article from wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

    i remember a famous quote of the notorious us-tank-general patton after WW2, who was asked by some journalist why he employed that many ex-nazis for the occupation administration in germany - he answered:
    there are no other specialists to do the job...
    (it was the same patton who ordered the german population of weimar to visit the liberated concentration camp buchenwald while the heaps of dead prisoners and the mass of more dead than alive survivors still were visible...)
    i think the same happened after north america entered the war and was forced to give up the isolationism they practiced since the end of the first world war. the us had no great dealings with the soviets before 1941, so the stalinist empire was some kind of terra incognita for them - and in preparation of the cold war kinda patton-like pragmatism gained the upper hand - there weren't many specialists to do the anti-communist roll-back campaigns - except for the nazi-germans and their experience in fighting the red hordes... and the job had to be done somehow...
    and watching old weekly newsreels from the time of the korean war and the early escalation stages in Vietnam i am surprised by the similarity of nazi-/us-propaganda against the "reds" - it's almost never the chinese/korean/vietnamese/dominicanian enemy - it's always the "reds".
    ok, the addition "subhuman" is a nazi-german special, officially the us-massmurderers never went that far.

    it may make some difference that the european racists had no "real" cause for their criminal theories because there was no important/threatening minority so easily identifiable by skin color or culture/way of living.
    after the abolishing of anti-jewish laws and restrictions in the early west european modern period a jew on the street was not dissimilar to the eye of his christian neighbors and the westeuropean jews accepted their assimilation and secularisation willingly - unlike large parts of the east european jews who were first forced to live in ghettos and stedtles surrounded by not-that-friendly catholic and orthodox christians, but later choosed to live in secluded communities to keep their cultural and religious identity, thus providing an easy target for anti-semitic propaganda.
    in both parts of europe jewish intellectuals emerged from the jewish bourgeosie and became important for their home countries - maybe the competition between christian/orthodox and jewish intellectuals, scientists, administrators and financiers kept the west european bourgeois' anti-semitism more alive than the remains of religious hate for "christ's murderers" amongst the common people.

    and last but not least: racism is always a tool of authoritarian power too - blame a expendable minority for the conflicts resulting from a repressive system/use a scapegoat - and you have found a ventil for dangerous aggression and frustration.
    part of the holocaust was also the nazi-interest in the possessions and the wealth of the persecuted and discriminated, but especially later in the war - their use in the german war-industry as cheap slaveworkers, using them made it possible to reach the highest weapon- and ammunition-production 1944 - despite the strategic bombing of germany and the retreat on all fighting fronts - only the lack of means of transport and fuel prevented this "successful" efford from turning the course of the war.

    and even the atheistic bolsheviks used anti-semitism to secure their position of power from time to time, quite in the tradition of the old tsaristic empire they abolished 1917, recruiting ex-tsarist "specialists" for the GPU and the development of the red army.
    especially the red army was a reservoir for anti-semitism, which was declared a violation of the party-discipline, but hardly draw any sentencing if it actually occured.
     
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    thanks for the link lil' apple....and yes i agree with your points. you bring up a good point with scapegoating and the use of racism for authoritarian power. anti-semitism is as old as civilization. just as racism is in general. the extreme poverty the German people suffered through after WWI led to extreme desperation, and in the instance of this desperation fingers were pointed to the jews, who, as you mention, were something of social outcasts because they did not fit into the "common working society", if you will. america used different tactics because the working class has never been a big deal here in america (american anarchists are some of the few people in the US to try for a strong working class or labor movement, but labor movements have been destroyed by mafia and even american nazi groups). the american tactic has been christianity (as in non-christians are godless and it's therefore justified to kill them) for the most part...and a myriad of other things as well, with similarities and differences from nazi germany.

    in my opinion, nazi germany and america may have different circumstances and methods, but the idealogy is the same- destroy a group of people to further authority and power. almost every industrial country (and many 3rd world countries) has done this as well. in fact, i'm not aware of any country that hasn't been involved in some atrocity (either victims or killers...and either way the killers win and take over the people of the country and draw borders and make laws).
     
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    i doubt this, i think the special case of antisemitism started with the roman occupation of judäa around the start of the calendar - ending up after 70 years of constant jewish/hebrew warfare against the romans, finally ending with the total destruction of the temple in jerusalem and the state of israel and the deportation of large parts of the jewish population to other parts of the roman empire - the jewish diaspora.
    jews had a bad reputation as troublemakers and bigott zealots then, rome was pretty polytheistic and tolerant in religious questions, as long as religion didn't turn into political/military resistance against the empire.
    the christians not only evolved out of the jewish belief, constantly competeting with the old faith for the minds of the believers, they inherited much of the roman culture too - the catholic church is still organized like a roman legion with the pontifex maximus at the top, rome is like the capital of the church and todays dioceses in the old world are still congruent with the ancient roman administrative districts.
    after the jewish deportees regained some social status in rome, there were reports of the first anti-jewish riots in the city - i would guess it was the same problem like 1800 years later in east europe - secluced communities with the need to keep religious and cultural identity - surrounded by competeting pagans - it's not the healthiest situation if you are a minority and feel the need to critisize the "whore of babylon" - like the bible mentions.
    the still competeting christian belief prospered on the conflicts and contradictions of the roman slaveholders empire, first harvesting the hopes of the suppressed masses, then turning to the disillusioned and power-weary upper classes - becoming the roman state religion around 450, when constantin was baptized on his death bed, and the story about "In hoc signo vinces" when constantin became caesar shows, how much influence the christians already had achieved on the roman military.
    around 650 the "catholic" part of the christian churches decided to create the common bible by selecting the doctrines of the faith out of the multitude of gospels, apocryphal texts and letters of the founding fathers - and the guilt of the jews on the death of jesus and their failure not to accept christus as the true messias became a matter of faith - and founded on the ruins of the roman empire, somebody had to take the blame - the rest is history...
    medieval christian art is full of depictions of the "blind virgin" as a symbol for the jewish belief, catholics and protestants used the "jewish pig" to discriminate jewish doctrines of kosher eating and in europe are still many orthodox catholic sects promoting the idea of the "misguided" brothers and preaching the "murder" of christus, the official catholic church tolerates their propaganda mostly...
    yes, but i think there is a us-government special too, remember the chicago five, the hay market trial or sacco and vanzetti, joe hill and many others who died or were executed for crimes made up by police and fbi - the north american state was always very determined and quick to "kill it before it grows".
    i was recently reading about the quenching of the Black Panthers movement - was it fbi-chief hoover who said "no prisoners" - like a direct order to summarily execution.
    i agree with your point of view on the "will to power" of aggressive and expansionist systems like the us today and the nazi-germans in the past - but the ideology is still different and i hope that the americans never invent themselves as "masterrace" with the duty to exterminate all "subhuman" living - yes i am aware that there is already an aryan movement in the us - but the main difference is - it will/may never become the ruling doctrin of the state.
    but looking through the anarchist' lookin glass: each state and system build upon unequality, hierarchy and power restricted to a minority must become aggressive and murderous to keep itself alive. that's why we have to abolish the whole bloody mess some day. \m/
     
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    yeah i see your point. american probably won't have the masterrace thing because of how many different races and groups there are in this country and because of civil rights movements in the 60's, but there certainly is an attitude of american dominance, even if it's not directly spoken. and there is alot of political racism in the US still today...the tea party group in america and the GOP are not openly racist, but the motives of white dominance are clear. i suppose the racism in america is scattered and harder to organize then in nazi germany. but as a "citizen" of the united states, i see that racism is alive and well. especially here in orange county, where the right wing politicos have a very strong foot in the door of true progress and equality. you know how many times i heard people say things like "we let the nigger in the white house" or "i hope someone shoots that nigger" when obama was elected. i mean, i don't necessarily agree with obama or any person who holds a position of power, but alot of people in america share an extreme racist view of a black president. in my opinion, america is still a very racist country. the only difference now is that we don't have lynch mobs walking around the street because our own law prevents that. its all very convoluted here....maybe that's why we won't be like nazi germany on a hollistic scale...but there certainly are alot of nazi-minded people running around this country and holding political office.
     
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