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Discussion in 'General political debates' started by Boomstick, Dec 26, 2009.

  1. Boomstick

    BoomstickExperienced Member Experienced member


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    As some of you might know... News Corp purchased Myspace some time ago. Since most of the bands we listen to have anarchic/political leanings, how do their stances and ideologies fit on a social network controlled by one of the biggest corporations in the world? Should we spit on all the bands who use Myspace and support only those who keep themselves out of it? Or should we just resing to the fact that the bands we like so much can't live a 100% by their own ideals?.

    I'm not really sure what to think about this... maybe you people do.
     

  2. punkmar77

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    I didn't even know that, well fuck me now what? So many great bands are on there...all the great early Italian stuff. And I've been able to reconnect with bands and friends that I lost track of over the years....I was even able to find lost recordings of mine from 25 years ago!
    FUCK
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  3. Boomstick

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    I know... sad but true :(.

    I'm still having a hard time deciding what to do about this... I just made an account there a couple months ago and it's helped me contact some great artists so... shit.
     
  4. bletheringvegan

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    Yeah, it sucks so hard that Murdoch owns this, it's such a good place for bands, and it's free so they don't have to pay to upload their songs etc. Does Murdoch actually profit from Myspace and if so do bands on there directly fund him?

    I would suggest getting the more internet savvy anarcho-punks out there to start up an anarcho-space for anarchists and anarchist bands, I for one would definitely donate money towards this. Would be excellent for new bands to get recognition as well as re-discovering old favourites!


    *edit: 50th post woo*
     
  5. Anxiety69

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    I don't see a problem unless they start charging money... then they deserve a big exodus of bands from our scenes. But as long as it's free, it's like we're using their property against them... so why not?
     
  6. punkmar77

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    True, but it's still creepy.....
     
  7. Boomstick

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    I'm not sure that's entirely true... doesn't News Corps earn a profit with advertising and such on myspace profiles? if that's so... Wouldn't they (the bands) in fact be feeding more and more this conglomerate monster and therefore sustain its existence?.

    It strikes me as kind of... counterproductive.
     
  8. Anxiety69

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    maybe we should start our own social network and callit anarco-space-book-ster...
     
  9. Boomstick

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    Something like that. Heck, small self-sustained communities seem to work in real life, why the hell wouldn't something similar work on the net...
     
  10. BlinkoChrist

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    It would work but myspace is so much better for networking. The losers and brittneys spearses make it so good for us...if that makes sense
     
  11. Saering

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    Does seem as such, though are we actually contributing if that ad would be there regardless of what page it might be?
     
  12. Boomstick

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    Well if you mean ads being on Myspace band sites that aren't visited by us then of course we don't contribute, but since most of us do not listen to just Anarcho-Punk...
     
  13. theoldpunk

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    The capitalist computer you're using is connected to the internet through a capitalist internet service provider.

    Like the computer and internet, Myspace is a tool we can use (at least until 'they' take it away). It gives people with very little know-how or money the chance to share music and ideas and connect with each other. I've managed to use Myspace to network with anti-fascists and get fascist gigs cancelled at very short notice. I've also used it to tell people that our own home-grown fascists, the British National Party, had a freepost address that cost them 42p every time someone sent them a letter using it. Within days, they had received thousands of empty envelopes which cost them thousands of pounds! They've had to shut down the freepost address too.

    There's also the chance that someone who's not come across our politics before will stumble upon them when they're randomly shuffling through Myspace (kids and young people do this a lot from what I see) and get switched on :rock:

    As for the ads, what ads? I use Firefox with AdBlockPlus :D

    On a related note, the fact that Rage Against The Machine are on a Sony-owned label didn't stop me from buying the 'Killing In The Name' download to help make it the Xmas #1 in the UK :D Again, there's a good chance that the next generation will hear a band like RATM through the corporate mainstream then find their way into a more radical way of thinking and living as a result. I don't have a problem with that.
     
  14. ampallang

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    I joined myspace some years ago, had a profile for a month and quit!
    I also dont have facebook. I think having an email address is enough.

    I think having music online for bands is useful, i use it only to listen to music. for example, there is a band playing a concert and i dont know what they sound like, if they have a myspace i will listen to a song.

    I used to use 375crew.org, which is a bealrussian diy site. it has an MP3 section, i think it is pretty cool. Though i cant read russian.if you look it up listen to contra la contra!
    Maybe its possible to do something like that? But i think the project on here A-P.net is useful, sharing music!
     
  15. Al-Sain

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    I'm with the 'use-the-states-machinery-against-itself-by-spreading-counter-culture-at-it's-expense' gang.

    There is punkrockers.com as well- don't know much about it, except that not that many people use it...
     
  16. Vegetarian Barbarian

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    If people are gunna start complaining that "myspace is owned by a corporation and fox and nazi's and baby killers" then they should just get off the internet right now.
     
  17. Hex

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  18. Hex

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    if that zine wasn't convincing enough for you, the following was released in a recent riseup.net newsletter...while this is more geared toward activism, i think it is information worth having:



    "Large companies have entire departments devoted to dealing with law enforcement subpoenas and warrants, and the anonymous posters provided copies of the guidebooks that several large corporations provide to assist law enforcement with their requests. The leaked manuals include those for facebook,[3] yahoo,[4], myspace,[5] comcast,[6] and paypal.[7] Each manual provides helpful hints for law enforcement regarding the specific data available (some of which may be obtained with a mere subpoena and without any judicial scrutiny), and even sample request language to use in different circumstances. For example, according to the leaked manual, facebook retains information about the IP address of every computer that accesses their website for 30 days. This means that, unless you use countermeasures, facebook can know the exact location where you logged on to your account. Because this IP address information does not include the contents of communications, a U.S. prosecutor can seek the information without any judicial oversight.

    With a court order, facebook will release even more information about you. They've even developed an application called "Neoprint" to deliver a handy packet of information about subscribers, including profile contact information, mini-feed, friend listing (with friend's facebook ID), group listing and messages. There is little oversight of surveillance conducted in the U.S. of online service providers because the U.S. Department of Justice does not report the number of IP address requests that they have issued, even though a 1999 law requires reports.[1] There is also no reporting requirement for court orders issued under the Stored Communications Act[8] which governs the release in the United States of all of your electronic data stored online.

    One of the scary things about all of this is that the US actually has better data protection laws than many other countries. Also, unlike our comrades in the EU,[9] the US does not currently require online providers to keep logs, This means that people organizing everywhere should be aware that if you are using corporate providers, your data is at risk.
    While this information should not be surprising, it illustrates the importance of supporting alternatives and educating each other about the risks of using corporate tools for organizing work. For more information, read the blog post,[2]

    [2]http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2009/12/8-million-reasons-for-real-surveillance.html
    [3] http://dtto.net/docs/facebook-manual.pdf
    [4] http://dtto.net/docs/yahoo-guide.pdf
    [5] http://dtto.net/docs/myspace-guide.pdf
    [6] http://dtto.net/docs/comcast-guide.pdf
    [7] http://dtto.net/docs/paypal-guide.pdf
    [8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored_Communications_Act
    [9]http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32006L0024:EN:NOT "
     
  19. disfuck

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    yes it sucks that it is corperatley owned and what not , but i feel that we still pay nothing for using it , i feel there is no hate for anarcho / punk bands on it , unless they are selling their music on it , via i tunes . fuck i tunes
     
  20. Saering

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    like others have said though pages contain ads and ads mean $