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  1. ungovernable

    ungovernable Autonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    Is/was there a genocide in Palestine?

    I commemorated Holocaust Memorial Day with survivor Dr Hajo Meyer and some other Jewish friends after a talk at Goldsmith University last week. It is now clear to me that Palestinians have many common experiences with the survivors of the Holocaust.

    Meyer's imprisonment in the ghetto and ordeal at checkpoints is a stereotypical image in occupied Palestine. I was amazed to hear him admit that the Palestinians' suffering is close to those who endured the Holocaust. I was also amazed because I heard it not from a Palestinian, but from a Jewish man who has suffered a lot.

    For a long time, it has been widely argued that genocide has not been committed in Palestine. While some "left-leaning" media outlets say there was genocide, one that is still in progress, the Israeli narrative rejects the use of this term for the Palestinian experience. Without doubt, the Germans perpetrated genocide against the Jews in WWII. Around 6 million Jews were killed across Europe in an act that can never be tolerated by humanity. It is also a well known fact, but rarely mentioned, that a total of over 50 million people, were either murdered or died from disease and starvation.

    There have, however, been genocides against many other people, such as the American Indians, the Armenians and the South Africans, which must also be remembered. Unlike the Holocaust, most of these genocides are not as focused on. Surely the fact that genocide has occurred must be condemned no matter who were the victims. Indeed, this seems to be the feeling of many Holocaust survivors themselves. They believe it is crucial to recognize, condemn and fight genocides wherever they are happening, no matter whether it involves a few thousand or millions.

    The core question here is: are the Palestinians suffering a genocide perpetrated by the government of Israel? (as many people believe). Has Israel attempted to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their land? Is the term genocide legally applicable? Readers must make their own judgment.

    In 1944, Polish-Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin coined the word "genocide" by combining "geno," from the Greek word for race or tribe, with "cide" from the Latin word for killing. He proposed that genocide consists of "a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves."

    Has this been happening in Palestine? According to the history of the founding of Israel, thousands of violent actions have been committed against one group of people: Palestinians. More than 535 villages were destroyed, thousands of residents were massacred and around 800,000 people were driven from their homes by force or fear of force. This process is described by Israeli historian Ilan Pappé and others as ‘the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.' Since genocide is essentially the annihilation of a group, surely this is genocide.

    On Dec. 9, 1948, the United Nations approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This convention established "genocide" as an international crime, which signatory nations "undertake to prevent and punish." It defines genocide this way: Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group:

    Killing members of the group:
    In 1948, thousands of Palestinians were exterminated by terrorist Jewish groups like the Stern, Haganah and Irgun. Other villagers were told to leave or they would be killed. The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948. More than 100 villagers, including women and children, were annihilated. Some were shot with live ammunition, while others burned to death as rockets rained down on the village. Prisoners were killed after being paraded through the streets in occupied Jerusalem; and it didn't stop in 1948. In 1956, a massacre of 500 villagers took place in Khan Younis in the middle of the Gaza Strip; others killed were Egyptians, who were policing the area at that time.

    Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group:
    The deadly siege in Gaza could easily be considered genocide according to this description. Bodily harm has been caused, not only during the siege or the last invasion (December 2008/January 2009), but since the beginning of the Israeli occupation of Palestine.

    The overwhelming majority of the victims have been civilians, whereas only a small minority were resistance fighters. Some international agencies claim that 93 percent of those victimized were civilian, while only 7% were resistance fighters. (See the report, "Failing Gaza.")

    Organized and systematic attacks against civilians in Gaza are also part of the genocide. Several months before Operation Cast Lead, an Israeli minister even used the term "holocaust" to describe what was planned for the citizens of Gaza. On Feb. 28, 2008, the Guardian, BBC and other British media outlets reported the story under the headline: "Israeli minister warns of Palestinian 'holocaust'." The Guardian reported that "an Israeli minister today warned of an increasingly bitter conflict in the Gaza Strip, saying the Palestinians could bring on themselves what he called a "holocaust".

    "The more Qassam [rocket] fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai, Israel's deputy defense minister, told Army Radio.

    "Shoah" is the Hebrew word normally reserved to refer to the Jewish Holocaust. It is rarely used in Israel outside discussions of the Nazi extermination of Jews during the second World War, and many Israelis are loath to countenance its use to describe other events.

    Mental harm must also be considered. As pointed out in many UN agency reports, all Gazan children suffer mental and emotional problems. Stress and trauma make the children sick-minded due to constant fear. They have no opportunities for fun and joy, since the Israeli blockade even includes a ban on toys. It is not an exaggeration to say that a considerable number of the Gazan population are exhausted and mentally drained. They live with the constant realities of deprivation, war, restriction of freedom and death.

    Inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part:
    This has been happening for years, ever since the establishment of the state of Israel. Focusing on the Gaza Strip today, the siege has impacted every aspect of life. Factories have stopped operating and food just trickles in. In addition, people have no freedom of movement beyond their "concentration camp," with just two gates that open irregularly.

    The Israeli blockade on exports and on all but humanitarian imports has forced 98 percent of Gaza's industry to close. Around 1.5 million Palestinians live in just 360 square kms., (139 square miles). More than three-quarters of the residents are refugees whose families were driven from their land, in what is now Israel, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.

    The remaining two characteristics of what constitutes genocide include: imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group and transferring children of the group to another group. These remaining two characteristics were most evident in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war and the 1967 war.


    also see
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethnic ... _Palestine
    http://baltimorechronicle.com/2008/112608Lendman.shtml
    http://sites.google.com/site/palestiniangenocide/
    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6374.shtml
     
  2. ungovernable

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    Israel has been, since its inception, a giant laboratory for terrorism in the Middle East.

    The late professor Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor, and then chairman of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, wrote: "There is nothing new in the fact that Israel is a terrorist state, which, almost from its inception, has used its intelligence service (the Mossad) to assassinate people on foreign soil with any violence or terror it considers necessary for its ends."

    Terrorism has been the hallmark of Israeli leaders, including Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, Ehud Barak, Benjamin Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon, amongst others. The massacres, including Deir Yassin, Doueima, Safsaf, Tantura, amongst scores of others, and war crimes that they have orchestrated would take volumes to relate.

    Assassination of Palestinian leaders and intellectuals, in Europe and the Middle East has gone on for years. Fathi Shikaki was assassinated in Malta in 1995 on the orders of Yitzhak Rabin. The role of Ehud Barak, dressed as an Arab woman, in the assassination of three Palestinian leaders, including the poet Kemal Nasser, in 1973 in Beirut, must not be forgotten.

    Israeli assassination is not limited to Palestinians but includes the 1944 assassination of the British minister Lord Moyne in Cairo as planned by Yitzhak Shamir.

    A horrible crime was committed in the assassination of the Swedish nobleman, Count Folke Bernadotte, a UN mediator, on Sept. 17, 1948, in Jerusalem, on the orders of Yitzhak Shamir, who later became prime minister of Israel. Count Bernadotte's sin was his recommendation, as the UN mediator, that Palestinian refugees who were driven out from their homes by Israel should be allowed to return to their homes. This recommendation was the substance of the UN resolution 194, on Dec. 11, 1948, stipulating the right of return for the Palestinian refugees as soon as possible.

    Israeli use of chemical weapons is also on record in the botched attempt to assassinate Khalid Meshal, a Hamas leader, in Amman in 1997, on the orders of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    The first act of air piracy in the history of civil aviation was carried out by Israel in 1954, when a civilian Syrian airliner was forced down in Tel Aviv and its passengers and crew held hostage, despite international condemnation.

    The first act of shooting down a civilian airliner was deliberately carried out by Israel when a Libyan airliner was shot down by Israeli jet fighters over Sinai in February 1973, on the orders of Israeli prime minister Golda Meir, killing 107 of its passengers and its entire French crew.

    Israeli terror was not restricted to Palestinians, Arabs and Europeans but included its own closest supporter and ally, the United States. In 1954, Israeli secret agents bombed the U.S. diplomatic centres in Cairo and Alexandria (known as the Lavon Affair), in an attempt to put the blame on the Egyptians. Israel later honoured the perpetrator, Marcello Ninio.

    In June 1967, Israeli forces attacked the U.S. spy ship USS Liberty, and strafed rescue boats, killing 35 and injuring 170 U.S. servicemen, in an attempt to conceal its own secret communications, and again tried to blame it on the Egyptians. To this day, incredible as it may seem, the U.S. Congress refuses to hold an inquiry into this crime, as requested by the surviving crew. Needless to say, no sanctions were imposed or calls to extradite the perpetrators were made.

    Zionist terror did not spare Jews. In 1940, Menachem Begin's Irgun Zwei Leumi terrorist gang bombed the ship Patria in Haifa harbor, killing 240 Jewish refugees, so as to put the blame on the British for political gain.

    In 1950-1951, Israeli agents were dispatched to Iraq where they tossed hand grenades into the crowded Massauda Shem-Tov synagogue, causing numerous deaths, in order to blame it on the Iraqis and encourage reluctant Iraqi Jews to emigrate to Israel.

    The late Canadian historian Frank Epp, then president of Grebel college of the University of Waterloo, wrote: "It is true that terrorist acts have been perpetrated by people identified as Palestinians. But there is another terrorism which is more vicious and brutal, that of dispossession and displacement forced upon the Palestinians. However, terrorism meted out by the Palestinians, regrettable as it is, is minute by comparison with that which has been inflicted on them. The mass media have failed to make this point adequately."

    The tragedy for the Jewish people of Israel, in the crimes that are committed in their name, is highlighted in the statement made by the noted British historian Arnold Toynbee, who stated in a 1961 lecture at McGill University to a largely Jewish audience: "The Jewish treatment of the Arabs in 1948 was as morally indefensible as the slaughter by the Nazis of six million Jews . . . The most tragic thing in human life is when people who have suffered impose suffering in their turn."

    The Palestinian people today are calling for a modicum of justice. For without this, there will be no peace for Arab or Jew in the Middle East.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28group%29
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

    See, the main organizations that were used to form israel's army, state, and government were terrorists using the same methods as the palestinians today - killing innocents like planting bombs on markets. So stop pretending that israel was never hostile to arabs
     
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  4. Random Person From There

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    Yes, a Zionist that wants to abolish all states including Israel. Whew. I wrote a book saying that both Israel and Palestine are not our allies and should not be suported. It was a single Zionist source that I even claimed was "weird but interesting", but nevertheless it held some water until you prove it wrong, be it Zionist or not proves nothing. Anything pro-Israeli is Zionist, but anything pro-Palestine is neutral and true, nice. Oh and furthermore, fuck Israel. Idiot.

    It's a military conflict between two states, that being it, then we have nothing to do with either of them. Wow so if there's a peace sign on an Anarchist website then I must be a Pacifist to participate? Lovely argument there, Ungovernable. Now, are you a Pacifist or not? The peace sign being there then we must be against the ongoing war, not only the occupation of Palestine.

    Anarcho-Zionist even though I do not support Israel, want Israel to be abolished, and call its actions crimes against humanity. Lovely, your arguments plainly SUCK.


    Dude, I was giving an example, it's not my fault if you're too stupid and take everything in a literal sense. It could be anything not related to suicide, it is not restricted to Kalashnikovs, it could be pipe bombs, TNT, etc. (Now I bet he's going to claim that I support people using pipe bombs against innocents) :lmao:

    Oh so going out with bombs strapped around your body and bombing hotels, homes, and busy streets filled with Jews for only one goal: to kill an ethnicity, is absolutely NOT genocide by your standards. :ecouteurs: :lmao: :ecouteurs:

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    hahahahahaha who's making a genocide ?? right... the palestinians[/quote]
    Did I say that the Israelis are not making a genocide too? So please, for the sake of my temper and fucking humanity, STOP PUTTING UP STRAWMEN AND WORDS IN MY MOUTH. :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs:

    Another strawman? Do you really expect an answer for such a sham argument? Well, no the majority are most likely innocents or protesters rather than terrorists never claimed they were terrorists.

    Yes, and by the degree and amount of ass whooping yer getting it seems you're being ownt badly enough to start calling me a Zionist for some reason although I oppose Zionism and Israel.

    Soon I'm going to pretend that all Palestinians are terrorists that's why they deserve occupation? What? Another strawman I see? Typical Ungovernable. Build some more strawmen.

    GOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGO

    Ooh, look at that: Yesterday the military wing of the Hamas, Izz al-Din al-Qassam, claimed responsibility for Friday night's bombing outside a Tel Aviv discotheque, which took the lives of 20 young Israelis. The suicide bomber was identified as 22-year-old Saeed Hotary, a Jordanian who had been living in Kalkilya. Of course that's not a genocide.
    But seriously ungovernable, will you stop it with those sham arguments and strawmen? I do not remember ever giving you a source from that website (http://www.israelinsider.com), have I now? Obviously not.

    Here you go, fellow Ungovernable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman

    "1. Person A has position X.
    2. Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. Thus, Y is a resulting distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
    1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1] (Basically all that you do)
    2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2] (Basically all that you do)
    3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
    4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical. (calling me a Zionist, fake Anarchist, etc. etc.)
    5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
    3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

    This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position."

    There you go, now start replying with actual arguments or :ecouteurs: . Kthxbai. :beer:
     
  5. Random Person From There

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    That's one helluva strawman dude, must've taken ages to build it. I'll be using the Strawman outline against you from now on:

    1. Person A has position X.
    2. Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. Thus, Y is a resulting distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
    1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1]
    2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2]
    3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
    4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
    5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
    3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

    There you go, highlighted for you.
     
  6. ungovernable

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    See, again you are being a fucking hypocrite, you are lying and pretending you never said what you said. Typically zionist.

    It's very boring to debate with you, maybe you should consult a doctor for alzailhmer because you forget what you have said each time i debunk your arguments.

    Here is what you said
    Now please stop being an hypocrite and at least have the courage to assume what you said.

    One post you say something, then i reply and prove you wrong, and then you pretend you never said that. That's so annoying. Dumbass dipshit out of argument.

    Speaking of defencelessness :
    http://www.perdana4peace.net/?p=124


    By the way, good job ignoring my other posts, you are awarded the King Of Dodging Award Of 2011.


    Here's another very good website with a lot of documentarions and pictures of the palestinian massacres/genocide:
    http://www.palestinehistory.com/issues/ ... ssacre.htm
     
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    haha Russia Today is great
     
  8. Random Person From There

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    Yes, I'm deeply sowwy fow devewoping ideas and chayngin' my opinions when it's the fiwst time I go anti-Pawestine and anti-Iswael. Sowwy mistew Ungovewnable mistew, pwease fowgive me? Even dow I did wite a discwaymah. {pleure}



    :lmao: :ecouteurs:

    Yes, proved me wrong ON WHAT EXACTLY? You only use strawmen and attack me calling me a Zionist for some reason and a fake Anarchist, all of your "arguments" have been refuted.

    So now the Palestinians are defenceless? If I were Ungovernable here and had no argument I'd be saying "PRO-PALESTINE PROPAGANDA HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH YOU BELIEVE HAHHAHA" (yes I know, but I'm being comical) or something along those lines.

    http://www.imemc.org/newswire?topic=palestinianattacks <---- :ecouteurs:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinia ... _on_Israel


    Your other posts had NOTHING to do with my own position, they were proving that massacres did indeed be committed by the Israelis against the Palestinians which I do not doubt.


    Not denying it. Atrocious...

    So all in all, you got no more arguments and you've been resorting to strawmen and attacking strawmen since we first started discussing this issue, and further you claim that I avoided your posts and/or arguments. It's funny at times, but sad when you actually believe in that. Remember, latest posts and arguments = latest position on the subject until further notice, do not resort to what I had said in my first post and take that as if I did not change my opinion, you'd sound more stupid.

    Good news, if I stop replying or posting on here that will be due to one of two possible reasons: 1) I get banned, or 2) I get blown up after the recent threats by extremist groups and Osama Bin Laden himself that Churches, Catholic schools and Christian towns will be targeted with bombs. I study in a Catholic school, live in a Christian district, and work near a church. Fun. :D
     
  9. vAsSiLy77

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    still reading the topic and googling for some information about this and that i stubled upon this:

    http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp - breaking the silence-"Shovrim Shtika"

    it's an organisation of ex-idf soldiers - idf is the israeli defence force - women and men who served in the army in the occupied areas, comitting and witnessing the atrocities against the palestinian people - and giving detailed reports about what happened and why they oppose the israeli goverment policy now.
    like anarchists against the wall they are targetted by the state in a mccarthy-like campaign to prevent them spreading their message to the people in israel.

    we all know that israel acts in a criminal and inhuman way and that the atrocities they comitted and still commit are at least a continuing ethnical cleansing - if not a genocide.
    the israelis never overcame their fundamental fear of being a minority amongst the majority of palestinians and arabs.
    the founding of israel was a plan of the western leading powers who were acting without thinking twice and in complete disregard of the real situation in the near east after wwII, what would have happened without the war?
    criminals like dajan fought the british for almost a decade as a violent and ultra brutal small group, hagana, stern and all the other groups of "zionist warriors" always used terror to make up the lack of numbers and equipment they suffered. the sinking of the Patria 1940 and the later attempts to blame the arabs for undercover attacks of israeli forces on their own allies are the most cruel examples that they never gave up the terrorism - even after israel became a state.

    researching the background of the "landshut" hijacking as a commando action of the german raf and the PFLP i found this:
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monika_Haas
    "admitted (to court in germany) was the statement of a mossad agent, said slim, who was detained in Lebanon. he admitted that he and monika haas (german raf member and wife of PFLP leader Zaki Helou) transported the weapons used in the hijacking (to mallorca, where the landshut was hijacked). slim never testified as witnesses at a german court, he was only interrogated by BKA-officials in the lebanese prison."
    so... mossad and PFLP supporting the raf - and pushing the "israelfriendly" german democracy into the most serious inner crisis after wwII? and israel is still regarded as the sanctuary of the holocaust victims, still above all criticism?

    many young israelis leave israel because of the draft for the army, draft resisting in israel is a easy way to get criminalized and stigmatisized in the crumbling society. orthodox extremists fight the "war of the cradle" against their own secular fellow citizens, refuse to defend the community but are always the first to demand tolerance for the religious groups playing the kingmaker at politics or the settlers movement claiming palestine property because of the thorah's erez israel - all the time claiming that the state israel "isn't right" - because the messiah hasn't come yet...
    the declining numbers of jews living in northafrica and the near east aren't always the result of anti-semitism - israel encourages them to immigrate or "buy's" them (like in somalia/eritrea 1984) out of the diaspora to make up numbers in a state that is unable to integrate them, causing massive social problems and forcing many men to serve in the army - most prominent example: the great number of falascha in the idf, brought to israel with Operation Moses (1984) and Operation Salomon (1991). young people with falascha background are the most prominent group in the israeli crime statistics too, many "born" israelis regard them as "n....ers" because of their african heritage and dark skin, their social problems already cause a small fascist movement to spread in israel...
    i think it's not surprising that a society like the israeli society is very susceptible to compensate it's inner turmoil on the outside - my zionist mother will disinherit me - but i dare to risk the comparison with germany before 1933 - standing on already rotting feet, but brutally fencing with a keen blade.

    it's not israels fault all alone - the interference of the arab nationalists and the growing extremism of "liberation" professionals taking over the struggle do their worst to complete the chaos in the middle east and give the criminal hardliners in israel the "justification" for their atrocities against the palestinians.

    bit short on time now i'll stop my raving, sorry, but like some others who gave statements i'm somehow affected personally, because of my families background - and the shame i feel facing the slaughter committed in "israels" name...
    critiques please - or opinions
     
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    Who told you this?
     
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    See, you're being a fucking hypocrite again and denying everything. Your whole message concerned the fact that you supposedly never pretended that there is no genocide in palestine

    I proved you wrong by quoting you:
    Random Hypocrite From There wrote: There's no fucking genocide nor massacre, both countries are attacking each other and are in a full-out fuckign total war. If Palestine had not and is not fighting and being massacred then THAT IS A FUCKING GENOCIDE.

    and now that i proved you wrong aand demonstrated that you are a fucking hypocrite, you didn't even answer me except posting childish images, making fun of me, being hypocrite, and acting like a fucking moron

    See above, zionist.

    None of my arguments have been refuted, except maybe in your zionist alzhaimer brain.

    Of course the palestinians are defenceless, dumbass.

    When you resort to suicide bombing because you have nothing else to defend yourself, thats because you are desperate and defenceless

    Palestinian army was annihilated, most of the hamas members are dead, and by the way most of these rocket launchers they are using are HOME MADE, dumbass.

    Using cocktail molotovs and home made rockets against tanks and against a nation that got helicopters, top-of-the-line US weapons, nukes and missiles..... Is definatly what i would call defenceless.

    You probably didn't even read that article i posted

    And anyway, of course, palestinians are to blame ONCE AGAIN because they fought back. Palestinian bastards, they should just stop fighting back and wait until everyone is killed.

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    The only person with weapons are the terrorists but i'm not defending them. Unlike you i can make the difference between palestinian people and terrorists, but you can't --> typical zionism

    Dude, the students during the infidada fought with slapshots and by THROWING ROCKS AT SOLDIERS ARMED WITH M16 AND TANKS...... Yes, this is what i call defenceless.

    Liar.

    Here's the proof that you deny massacres on palestine:

    I have to quote you each time to prove you wrong because you deny everything. That's zionism syndrom. You do something then you pretend it never happenned.

    You denied that israel used terrorism against palestinian and you keep blaming palestinians for using terorism so that's why i posted a text explaining that israel is founded on terrorism and that they used terrorism even back in 1948. YOU IGNORED THAT POST even if it was related to what you said.


    Yes you denied it here's the proof:
    Not only you deny it but you also blame palestinian from doing everything while israel never did anything

    here's what you said
    - You pretend that palestinian started the war (while the war started after israel stolen their land and arabs helped palestinians to fight back) note: you took that from a zionist website
    - You pretend that israel never used terrorist attack, only palestinians did
    - You pretend that nobody have to help palestine because they can fight back with their home-made bombs and home-made rocket launchers
    - You pretend that there is no MASSACRE and no genocide in palestine
    - You pretend that palestinian target civilians while israel never killed innocents
    - You pretend that israel gave back all the lands their army invaded (again, you took that part from a zionist website)
    - etc...

    But once again you will just pretend that you never said that and you will deny everything.... Or you will say that you already answered or that my arguments have been refuted, which is false again.

    Hahahaha i'm not the one that has absolutly no arguments and is so much desperate that he's down to getting his arguments from zionist website without even questionning it, believing that israel is innocent and is only defending himself

    You're so desperate, you can't prove that israel is innocent and that the palestinian are wrong so since you can't prove that the palestinians are wrong with REAL arguments you are not trying to prove that the war is right with shitty arguments like the one in my signature.

    You did, and i proved it again in this post.

    Oh and also, i'm still waiting for you to answer this:
    I asked you to answer it 4 times but you keep pretending that you already answered me, but you never answered. If you already answered then prove it and copy paste your answer.

    .............And then you pretend i never proved you wrong.... fucking hypocrisy

    Typical zionist paranoia.

    Probably another one of his zionist news source.

    I also never heard of that and can't find an article on that, but it's nothing news, he's always bringing up bullshit without being able to prove it
     
  12. Random Person From There

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    The scarecrow/strawman image was directed at your first "argument" which was a strawman argument, you attacked me and claimed that I was a Zionist and argued as if I were one. If you cannot understand that then it is not my problem if you're an idiot.

    Oh and here was my reply to that: Yes, I'm deeply sowwy fow devewoping ideas and chayngin' my opinions when it's the fiwst time I go anti-Pawestine and anti-Iswael. Sowwy mistew Ungovewnable mistew, pwease fowgive me? Even dow I did wite a discwaymah. {pleure}

    Didn't understand that either? Aw too bad. Let me translate: "Yes, I'm deeply sorry for developing ideas and changing my opinions when it is the first time I go anti-Palestine and anti-Israel. Sorry mister Ungovernable, please forgive me? Even though I did write a disclaimer."

    Sad that you cannot even read or interpret simple sentences that a 2 year old can comprehend (the way I put it for you, and you did not even understand that)


    What is that? Another strawman even though you proved shit? Here you go, nice construct :) :

    Look a few pages back, all your arguments have been refuted with sources and others till you ended up saying "I will not post anymore" 2-3 times so far, where you then started resorting to strawman arguments. As in here, so: "4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical."

    HEAR HEAR, home-made rocket launchers equals being defenseless! :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: Oh and what the fuck does having home-made rockets have anything to do with ANYTHING? Don't change the subject and defend your position that "Palestinians are defenseless although they have rockets, bombs, and weapons"

    :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs:

    Defenceless: 1. Lacking protection or support
    2. Lacking weapons for self-defence
    3. Having no protecting or concealing cover
    4. Without defence

    So what you are saying is that having Molotovs, home-made rockets, RPGs (actual, not home-made), ability to commit suicide and kill innocents, having weapons, having mortars, is being definately defenseless... You.. Oh my.../ :ecouteurs: :ecouteurs:

    I hope you do not call THAT an argument. Wow.


    I did read it, had nothing to do with my position and you were, as always ATTACKING A STRAWMAN, trying to refute something I do not support nor even said it did not happen. It was talking about massacres and killings done by Israel, which I do not doubt happened. And here I'll get his typical quoting of the genocides subject even though I took it back and refuted it numerous times yet he is persistent. :lmao:

    Strawman after fucking strawman. Your typical answer here would be: "Oh so everyone who is armed is now considered a terrorist by you? Zionist." It is applicable, innit? Care to back this up?

    What the fuck are you going on about? I pointed you to thousands, (8000) or so rockets fired into Israel and you claim that the Intifada and using rocks? WHO THE FUCK WAS TALKING ABOUT THE INTIFADA? WHAT THE FUCK HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING? YOU FUCKING FAIL AT ARGUING AND DEBATING. :ecouteurs:

    At first he was like:
    "Using cocktail molotovs and home made rockets against tanks and against a nation that got helicopters, top-of-the-line US weapons, nukes and missiles..... Is definatly what i would call defenceless."

    But then he was like:
    "Dude, the students during the infidada fought with slapshots and by THROWING ROCKS AT SOLDIERS ARMED WITH M16 AND TANKS...... Yes, this is what i call defenceless."

    Did you manage to change your opinion and position in the same post, two sentences apart? :lmao:


    That was my very FIRST POST YOU IDIOT WHICH I LATER REFUTED AND TOOK BACK NUMEROUS TIMES BUT YOU DO NOT SEEM TO COMPRE-FUCKING-HEND, and you still resort to quoting and pestering me with it. Lack of arguments much?

    God, if you exist, please, PLEASE GET THIS GUY A FUCKING BRAIN. I'll fucking go to church each Sunday!
    First and foremost, that was from my VERY FIRST POST AT THE BEGINNING OF THE THREAD. OMFG.

    Secondly, genocide/terrorism is being performed by BOTH sides, do not even fucking deny it.

    Thirdly, I did not ignore it because it had NOTHING to do with what we were discussing 4 fucking pages later, and after my redrawal of my claim that genocide is not taking place. Wondering how we got from there to here? Check your posts then.
    When you have been proved wrong and you have no more arguments, you either go forth attacking strawmen, or claim that this will be your last post and bla bla bla till you change the topic at hand.

    Terrorism:
    "The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear"
    See? Palestinians do that always, and so do Israelis. If you differentiate the people from the terrorists then you must differentiate by an ARMY and a people. :ecouteurs:


    JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

    Not only you deny it but you also blame palestinian from doing everything while israel never did anything[/quote]
    You retarded fucking idiot, read the whole thread again and see that I claim that Israel did ATROCIOUS SHIT AND WAR CRIMES. Easily refutable arguments are all that you got?

    Since you are a complete and utter fool, I will repost:
    Fucking retarded rehab reject.

    Do I have to even explain this to you for the 7547237346th time? But here you go ONCE AND FOR FUCKING ALL.

    This is from the first post:

    And that's from just TWO posts, need more?


    "home-made" bombs and "home-made" rocket launchers ARE WEAPONS YOU IDIOT. That means they AREN'T DEFENCELESS. Oh the idiocy, you even deny that they have any respectable and actual weapons.... :lmao:



    Read the whole thread and this post in particular, again, again, and again till you understand that I withdrew that claim in the following posts. Idiot.

    WHAT THE FUCK? FUCKING STRAWMAN, I SAID ISRAEL NEVER KILLED INNOCENTS? QUOTE ME NOW. Fucking dumbfuck.

    OH GOD AL-FUCKING-MIGHTY IF YOU HAVE ANY SHRED OF DECENCY, PLEASE GIVE HIM THE FUCKING ABILITY TO READ. FUCK.
    I QUOTED A FUCKING SOURCE WHICH I DID NOT EVEN FUCKING AGREE WITH OTHER THAN THE WARS MENTIONED AND CLAIMED THAT IT WAS ONLY INTERESTING WHAT THE JEWS THINK. HERE IT IS YOU FUCKING IDIOTIC RETARD:

    This is from a pro-Israel website, weird but alas interesting:
    "The Arab nations initiated four wars against Israel:

    * 1948 War of Independence
    * 1956 Sinai War
    * 1967 Six Day War
    * 1973 Yom Kippur War


    Israel defended itself each time and won. After each war Israeli army withdrew from most of the areas it captured (see maps). (see Camp-David Accords). This is unprecedented in World history and shows Israel's willingness to reach peace even at the risk of fighting for its very existence each time anew.

    Anonymous quote:

    If the Arabs (Moslems) put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel.
    Think about it..."

    The parts in bold are what I can say are true and I can agree with and are BASED ON FACT NOT PRESUMPTIONS YOU RETARD.


    If your etc... is full of completely refutable, stupid, incoherent, strawman argument then SHUT THE FUCK UP and stop humiliating yourself.

    Oh idiot, read what I said in this thread and this post, funny to realize that I refuted EACH AND EVERY one of your single stupid "arguments" go look at the thread over again and find me a single one that I missed and I will reply now.

    Oh my. Oh my fucking god. Oh my fucking lord.

    HOW MANY FUCKING STRAWMEN DOING YOU CREATE AND ATTACK THAT I MUST REFUTE?
    that he's down to getting his arguments from zionist website without even questionning it, believing that israel is innocent and is only defending himself

    HOW MANY FUCKING STRAWMEN DOING YOU CREATE AND ATTACK THAT I MUST REFUTE?
    that he's down to getting his arguments from zionist website without even questionning it, believing that israel is innocent and is only defending himself

    HOW MANY FUCKING STRAWMEN DOING YOU CREATE AND ATTACK THAT I MUST REFUTE?
    that he's down to getting his arguments from zionist website without even questionning it, believing that israel is innocent and is only defending himself

    HOW MANY FUCKING STRAWMEN DOING YOU CREATE AND ATTACK THAT I MUST REFUTE?
    that he's down to getting his arguments from zionist website without even questionning it, believing that israel is innocent and is only defending himself



    YOU ARE THE DUMBEST FUCK I HAVE EVER TALKED TO.

    :'( :'( :'( This guy got stumped on ONE WITHDRAWN SENTENCE and is still in a hangover. DO YOU FUCKING EXPECT ME TO ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION FORTY MILLION FUCKING TIMES OVER AND OVER?

    I ALWAYS back up my claims, where you back shit and you always are being proved wrong. Now the country is an uproar as I had said, ask anyone living in Lebanon and he will tell you, I will say nothing.

    Hm, seems that it was denied by the Patriarchate, people seem to not trust them and think they're merely trying to calm things down.

    http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsD ... enDocument

    Ungovernable, you're the most idiotic person attempting to form an argument I have ever seen in my life, and that's something knowing that I have seen some of the worst, but you sure topped them all.
     
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    is it just me or does FIRE IN CAIRO by The Cure come to mind when hearing about the chaos there?
     
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    I asked how you heard of this terrorist threat warning, really because these warnings usually come from a government source. Not saying it's true or false, just that it's news to me and it doesn't seem unreasonable that the government would put out these warnings (as it has in the past, and nothing I can recall has ever come of them after 9-11) to scare us into believing that we're being oppressed for our own protection.


    Some questions that have occured to me while reading this long, drawn-out name-calling match are:

    If Palestinians really are the aggressors or (at the very least) capable of defending themselves against the Israeli armed forces (making it a "proper" war, and not attempted genocide)--why is there a growing number of Israeli citizens (people who actually live there to witness what's happening) who oppose Israel's actions and are speaking out in defense of the Palestinians?

    Is it unreasonable to assume that being as Israel already gets funding and weapons from their big brother USA, they would also follow in America's greedy genocidal footsteps in the quest for land and power?

    Since zionism is basically the jewish form of supremecy (which as far as i've seen is universally opposed by anarchists), is it really safe to be using information from zionist websites to argue against the palestinians? Wouldn't that be equivilent to using information from neo-nazi or revisionist websites to argue against holocaust survivors?
     
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    In reading all this it's easy to forget the thread is about Cairo.
     
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    Wait terrorist threat? Sorry, I don't feel like reading pages of arguments. Whats that about Jack?
     
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    at the end of the day no matter any of your political beliefs you seem to be forgetting folk in cairo just want a fair deal. they don't seem to be following any particular political agenda. they just wanna be able to feed their kids. what saddens me is that we all know some jumped up moron is gonna take power and balls up everyone's life, except his mates of course, who i expect will all get richer. it's the way of the world. is anyone trying to encourage the egyptians or tunisians to govern themselves. we hear of future voting already sorted yet few, if any, worth voting for. encourage self government. do any in this discussion even try to live anarchy. do you pay council tax then fight the law at demonstrations? is that anarchy. do you lead by example? or do you pay your taxes and live by narrow minded laws. nothing will change in egypt while the countries they respect and wish to emulate are just as corrupt and populated by folk just as powerless. and too scared to take the power of their own lives into their own hands.
     
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    That's what you call a reply, dumbfuck ?

    So let's reiterate:
    - You pretended you never said palestine wasn't a genocide
    - i proved you wrong by answering by a quote of you saying that palestine isn't a genocide
    - you answer some meaningless off-topic bullshit and you call that a "reply"


    You keep changing your mind because i prove you wrong and your opinions are full of flaws, you don't know shit of what you are talking about and you get your arguments from zionist website. And you are not anti-israel since you are against me because i say that the stolen lands should be given back to palestine.

    If you are anti-zionist and anti-israel then please say clearly that:
    1) stolen lands should be given back to palestine without conditions
    2) the state of israel is illegitimate and should be abolished
    3) that the palestinians are free to have their own nation recognized internationally like other countries even if you're against state, you can't accept that lands are being stolen for religious reasons
    4) that the palestnians are free to have their own nation even if you don't agree with their ideas
    5) that, as an anarchist, you are against state so you are against palestinian state but as you pretend to be anti-israel you feel that israel shouldnt exist and the lands should be given back to palestine
    6) that the occupation isn't helping palestinians as you pretended early
    7) Since the occupation isn't helping palestine, and since the land was stolen, the palestinians have the right to fight back and can't be blamed

    so far, you declared the exact opposite to that

    What i understand, and what a 2 years old kid can also understand, is that your childish answer doesn't have anything related to the original subject we were discussing. We were talking that you declared there is no genocide on palestine, then you tell me you never said that. You didn't say that you changed your mind, you said THAT YOU NEVER SAID IT. That's a denial of facts. Typical zionism.

    You mean your zionist sources ?

    Tell me exactly on what you have proven me wrong. You THINK you have proven me wrong, but you didn't.

    So far everything you said i invented something that you never said, i proved you wrong by quoting you. (see above for a proof)

    Hey dumbfuck, the rwandas were also able to build home-made rocket launchers and suicide bombs, but you still pretend they were defenceless.

    Listen, when the israeli army kills unarmed citizens THIS IS CALLED DEFENCELESS
    When israeli intifada teenagers throw rocks at army that fire back with tanks and top-of-the-line war weapons THIS IS CALLED DEFENCELESS
    When martyrs use suicide bombs because they have nothing else to fight with THIS IS CALLED DEFENCELESS

    Being able to defend yourself means that you have the equivalent force to resist the enemy. i.e. you have tanks to fight against the enemy's tanks, you have an army to fight their army, weapons to fight against their weapons, missiles to fight against their missiles, etc...

    Against an army equipped with helicopters, tanks, planes, missiles, nukes, rockets, millions of soldiers, US support........ YES

    And once again, you're talking about terrorists while i'm talking about palestinian innocents.

    Lies. Here's proof:

    Not all palestinian fighters are terrorists. They are considered as terrorist because palestinian state doesn't officially exist to most of countries, and their army isn't recognized, DUMBASS. The japenese suicide pilots were recognized as official fighters by the USA. Al-quaida isn't an official army, palestinian army is.

    Intifada is part of the palestinian fight back against israel and you don't understand what's the link with our discussion ? YOU are the one who fail at arguing. I wouldn't even talk about failing at arguing if i were you, especially with the pro-war bullshit you posted earlier (see my signature)

    OK LISTEN, FUCKING IDIOT INCAPABLE OF USING YOUR BRAIN:

    TERRORISTS AREN'T THE ONLY ONES BEING KILLED IN THIS CONFLICT. INNOCENTS ARE ALSO MURDERED.

    I'm talking about the kids in the infafa because they weren't using weapons AND THEY STILL GOT KILLED. That's what i call defenceless.
    Also many people without any form of weapons were killed since 1948, i posted proofs all over the place of massacres and innocents being murdered, and i'm not talking about collateral damages I'M TALKING ABOUT FUCKING MASSACRES ON INNOCENTS

    Then YOU started talking about people using rockets, so i answered by saying they're still defenceless because they are using home-made rockets against tanks.... THAT'S LIKE FIGHTING WITH A WATER PISTOL AGAINST A MACHINE GUN, they dont even have an army and theyre fighting against an army of millions of soldiers equipped with top-of-the-line technology

    No, you said it again a couple of time after your post (it wasnt your first post btw, it's on the end of page 2, dumbfuck)

    And even in the last posts you kept saying that israel never used terrorism, only the palestinians did

    Genocide ? Is it israel disseapearing from this map ?
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    Ok listen fucking moron, since you don't have any brain i will explain again:

    - Yes, some palestinian EXTREMISTS are racist and anti-semitist, yes they would want to commit a genocide against israelians (which they have FAILED to do so far). Those terrorists must be distinguised from the rest of the palestinian nation. Terrorists aren't palestine.
    - The palestinian official palestine government is NOT anti-semitist and they DO NOT WANT TO COMMIT A GENOCIDE. They want ONE country where palestinians and israelis can live free with the same rights.
    - Israel state want to see palestine disseapear, they don't recognize it as an official nation and they want to destroy it. They want to make a genocide (which they have SUCCESFULLY managed to do
    - Israel's genocide is coming from the official state, not only from a minority of extremist. Palestine's "genocide" tentative comes from a minority of extremists. It isn't official politics of the state.
    - You can say that the terrorists have TRYED to make a genocide, and failed, but you can't say that PALESTINE commited a genocide.

    By the way the notion of "innocence" in israel is debatable. It is debatable that you are innocent even if you aren't part of israelian army. Israelians are colons, each citizen is playing a role in the colonisation of palestine - especially the ones on the colonys israel have constructed near the palestinian borders. Those israelians CHOSEN to live there and CHOSEN to colonize palestine. It was the same thing during the colonisation of america, you couldn't be an innocent even if you were unarmed since you were still playing a role in the colonisation and the stealing of lands. I'm not sure wether or not i consider unarmed israelians as innocent, so i will not take a position, i'm just saying it is debatable and everyone is playing a role against palestine, so fighting against them is understandable - not saying it is right or not, just saying understandable - especially when we are talking about the israelians living in colonies near palestine. And those colonies near the borders are the one being targetted by palestinian rockets.

    So, that's why palestinians are targetting any israelian, because they're all playing their role. That's why they're doing what you call a "genocide"


    When i said it would be my last post it was after a page full of arguments where all your "arguments" were refuted so don't pretend that i have nothing to answer, so far i have answered and refuted ALL of your arguments. You are the one who's got nothing more to say so you debate on the meaning of words like "defenceless" or "genocide" instead of talking about the true facts. Zionist King of avoidance and king of dodge award '2011'.

    This definition is not precise enough. Terrorism isn't something you can define in a few words.

    So all attacks targetting civilians are terrorism ? Hmmm ok... So a civil war is terrorism ? Class war is terrorism ? You're an idiot.

    If palestinian army was recognized officially, we couldn't call it terrorism. And it isn't recognized officially because the UN and USA doesn't want to.

    Liar. You claimed over and over again that israelians did nothing but fight back against the evil arabs who started 4 wars against them. You even quoted a ZIONIST website saying "if israel put down the weapons it will disseapear and if palestine put down weapons everyone will live in peace"

    HERE YOU GO AGAIN QUOTING ZIONIST PROPAGANDA FROM A ZIONIST WEBSITE. STOP POSTING THAT BULLSHIT ON ANARCHO-PUNK.NET

    OK LISTEN FUCKING DUMBASS IT IS THE 397439479TH TIME I TRY TO EXPLAIN YOU

    THE WAR STARTED AFTER ISRAEL STOLE LAND. IT'S CALLED FIGHTING BACK, IT'S NOT CALLED STARTING HOSTILITIES

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio ... 8Israel%29
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab% ... sraeli_War

    THE JEWS HAS BEEN WANTING TO STEAL THIS LAND SINCE THE FUCKING 19TH CENTURY

    So if i get shot by a rocket fired from a tank because i threw a molotov cocktail at them, it means that i wasn't defenceless ?

    You are totally incapable of putting the power relationship (not sure of the word, i mean comparing the force of the weapons) in your way of judging defencelessness

    Hey dude, the rwandis wern't defenceless because they had knives to fight against Ak-47 !!!!

    You keep saying over and over again that palestinians have terrorists to it's a reason for the war and blablabla...

    And by the way, since when fighting back makes you guilty ? If i attack you and kill your family, if you fight back you're not an innocent anymore ?

    Wow you copy and paste something that you don't even understand and then i'm the one who needs to be able to read?
    here's what you said:
    YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO BE GIVEN THE ABILITY TO READ DUMBFUCK, that's exactly what i said in my last post


    GET A FUCKING BRAIN AND LEARN TO READ, study these wars instead of copy and paste ZIONIST PROPAGANDA and believing ZIONIST PROPAGANDA words for word WITHOUT EVEN QUSTIONNING IT. You believe this bullshit without even knowning it and then you wonder why i say you're a fake anarchist ?

    THE 1948 WAR STARTED AFTER ISRAEL BUILT THEIR STATE ON STOLEN LANDS. ALL OTHER WARS ARE THE ARABS FIGHTING BACK

    Dumbass, zionists are building an army of bloggers to post propaganda like this on the internet to brainwash idiots like you
    http://www.nowpublic.com/world/israel-r ... t-websites
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... s-1.268393
    The zionists even have a group (forgot how its called) on the internet, all members have a program on their computer that alert them when an anti-zionist post is posted on a notorious website and then the website is FLOODED by comments of zionists posting anti-arab bullshit... I saw it in action on a blog and then the blog author posted a new post explaining how all these comments (hundreds in a few hours) came from a zionist group that was alerted by the post

    AND FOR THE LAST TIME, STOP POSTING ZIONIST PROPAGANDA HERE, THIS IS AN ANARCHIST WEBSITE IT IS NOT THE PLACE TO POST ZIONIST PROPAGANDA TAKEN FROM ZIONIST WEBSITE.

    This is disgusting coming from an anarchist. You're a fucking zionist asshole. If palestinian stop fighting there will be no more nation of palestine and they will live a shitty life for the rest of their existence, everything they have will be destroyed, they will live behind a wall, with no food and no water, they will never see their olive plantations back, etc...

    You didn't refute a single thing.

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    You keep answering that you changed your position but it's false. See a few quotes above, you posted zionist propaganda and you pretend that israel didn't start the war, you keep saying that the palestinian started hostilities so the israelians have the right to make war on them














    You didn't answer a lot of questions i asked but i will still reply to your hypocrisy:
    But you said that supporting the liberation of palestinians means supporting islamist since they are islamist.
    So supporting the liberation of someone who is not anarchist means supporting the state.

    Same answer as above.

    You are really the king of idiocy. The most ridicule thing i ever heard.
    You are pretending we should stop defending ourself if we really want to end war. ARE YOU A FUCKING HIPPY OR WHAT ? You are really the king of the dumbass on this forum.

    Dude that's like saying in WW2 we should stop fighting against nazis to fight against war.

    I mean something like the anti-bush protests, it's full of people being against that government, but most of those people just want a liberal instead of a republican. But anarchists still support this kind of protests.
    Following your stupid ideas, we should stop supporting those protests since most of the people want another government instead of no government at all. Just like the palestinians want a better country instead of no country at all.

    Oh ok so all protests are counter-revolutionary and counter-productive except protests of anarchists fighting for anarchy.
    YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FUCKING IDIOTIC SECTARIAN ELITIST LAZY FUCKING DUMBASS I EVER SEEN CLAIMING TO BE AN ANARCHIST

    You probably sit at home all day and all you can do is critize people for doing thing you think is counter-revolutionary

    Tell me kid, when the fuck is the last time you saw a protests with ONLY anarchists fighting for anarchy ??? NEVER. I don't even remember a single exemple. I saw anarchists protests against fascism, anarchist protests against war, anarchist protests against bush government or sarkozy government, anarchist protests against globalization, anarchist protests against G8/G20, anarchists against X or X, anarchists in solidarity of X or X, but never anarchists fighting for anarchy...

    You claimed the only thing we should support is anarchy, and that anarchists fighting against war or in solidarity of palestine are wrong because it's a waste of time. Well it's the same thing

    Anyway, following your fucking stupid logical, we shouldnt even go to protests full of anarchists fighting for anarchy.
    You say that NO PROTESTS AGAINST A WAR EVER SUCCESSFULLY ENDED A WAR so that's the reason why you think we shouldnt support those protests
    Well, a protest of anarchists fighting for anarchy NEVER CHANGED A THING and it NEVER LED TO ANARCHISM... So it's useless, just like anti-war protests (following your stupid logical)

    Ahahahah fucking liar idiot, you changed your mind after reading my arguments WHAT A WEIRD COINCIDENCE.... You changed your mind on a dozen of points during this debate, your opinions are shitty and full of flaws, they can't stand up. I didn't change my arguments on a single point because i'm not an ignorant fuck who doesnt knows what he's talking about. Maybe if you prove me wrong on something i will change my mind, but you FAILED


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    Once again you failed to answer me. As usual.

    Show us proofs where osama bin laden threatened to attack catholic schools and christian towns. You've probably read that bullshit on a zionist anti-arab website.

    I'm still waiting for an example of at least ONE thing where you proven me wrong.

    hahahahahahahahahahhh :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

    This is just a fucking stupid rumour , i could call anyone and say HEY THERES A BOMB

    You said that OSAMA BIN LADEN CLAIMED THAT HE WILL ATTACK SCHOOLS AND CHRISTIAN TOWN.... See, this guy is a pathetic liar, he start with something he heard on the internet and then he deform everything...

    I'm still waiting for a reliable source where it says that Osama Bin Laden declared something, like you pretended. You are not backing up anything you claimed, you're just lying again.

    This article doesn't even talk about osama bin laden or al-quaida fucking dumbass, and it doesn't say that Osama Bin Laden made official declarations on threads of bombing christian schools and towns.

    It could just be a student that was mad at his professor and made a fake bomb alert call.

    hahahaha see above, you just failed to form an argument and back up what you said, so shut the fuck up already.

    Man, i have debated with zionists, i have debated with people from the jewish defense league, i have debated with islamist integrists, i have debated with people supporting jihad terrorism, i have debated with israelians..... But i can say without a doubt that you're even worse than all of them with your pseudo-arguments to justify a war and pretend it is good for the palestinians.... Coming from an anarchist i'm not too sure if this is discouraging, or just totally hilarious. One thing is sure : you're not an anarchist, you are a zionist pro-war sectarian elitist dumbass. And you're probably very young, seeing how stupid your opinions are and how you can't back your arguments full of flaws.
     
  20. smelly k

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    Re: Riots in Cairo

    as i read more i wonder what planet you live on. it's neither the isreali's nor palestinians fighting. it's the negative moron minority literally getting away with murder. it's the same in this country. you'd all rather spout bollocks at each other than living what you supposedly believe. i sincearly doubt the majority of folk in israel, palestine or egypt could give a fuck who owns the land or has the power. i expect they just want them to stop shooting folk, blowing folk up and charging too much fucking cash for food. so few are actually involved in it all. are you giving them power by believing in any side at all? they are all countries that look to us to show them how it's done. we show them anarchists that sound like they'd love to be in power themselves. is that what you want? cos you can fuck off. you ain't my boss, only i am. who's yours?
     
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