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Mental Institutions

Discussion in 'Anarchism and radical activism' started by Bentheanarchist, Feb 3, 2012.

  1. Derek Danger

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    I'm aware. Try to keep discussion relevant to what's going on, though.
     
  2. Bentheanarchist

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    okay, back on topic:
    Society and authority seem to mess with people's minds and make them dangerous by constantly controlling them and trying to conform them. Hierarchy = Insane.
     
  3. Bentheanarchist

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    Maybe, he misunderstood what Anarchism and thought anarchism was chaos.
     
  4. Bentheanarchist

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    Suicide is a choice and if someone wants to kill themselves its their choice and sometimes life is not worth living to some people. It is stupid for suicide to be illegal. This system makes life unbearable and creates misery but they cant arrest you for commiting suicide because your already dead.
     
  5. sh1ftyswar

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    not everybody will come out and say this but....

    as someone who's tried to off them self, and has spent a bit of time in an institution for it. I'm beyond grateful that I was taken in(against my will) and treated. it was a volatile mixture of brain chemicals and bad decisions on my part that put me in that state. I'm lucky that it all went down like that and I can't imagine the pain it would have caused my family and friends if I succeeded.

    shits all better now and I owe it all to involuntary care. on the other side of things people with terminal diseases or unbearably painful untreatable conditions suicide is a valid option. but for people hitting rock bottom its only the selfish way out. sometimes people cant see how temporary or fixable their situation is and they need some time to see that but sometimes the all the help in the world wont end the mental anguish sometimes it's too much for the human brain for whatever reason (childhood abuse, torture, being republican). as an anarchist I'm not to fond of ANY law, but I always want to help people in need so what do we do with those who really just need a "time out" and those with a legitimate situation, and even then who's gives anyone the right to make that decision for them? I wouldn't be alive if somebody didn't do just that. so how would a completely anarchistic society be helpful to people like that? just a thought. any ideas?
     
  6. Derek Danger

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    I know it's fun to live in system-fuck-land sometimes, but look at the real world for a second, I implore you. I've tried to kill myself plenty of times, and usually there has been somebody to help me recover (in cases where I've nearly succeeded) or back down (in cases where I've only been toying with the idea). I'm glad, because my life is worth living. It just happens that there is a chemical imbalance in my brain that makes me feel like that's not true sometimes. And that's not a lie somebody's telling me to make me take their medications or get their jobs (I don't work, and I'm unmedicated). It's really good that some people want to stop crazy motherfuckers like me overdosing or jumping in front of trains! I'm glad they exist.
     
  7. Derek Danger

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    And let me be clear, I agree with Ben insofar as some institutions are run by avaricious capitalists who care more about numbers than people, and that as a result the mentally ill are still very poorly treated in some places. I don't agree that all psychiatric care is wrong or bad, or people should be allowed to independently slip off the rails.
     
  8. Bentheanarchist

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    I believe Psychiastry is useful to help dangerous people recover. I beleive suicide is caused by the mechanical and boring atmosphere the system has created. I prefer different ways of rehabilitating psycotic people than mental ashylums though. They seem to be like prisons where people are locked up against their will and may never be able to see the outside and freedom again.
     
  9. Inna Ruts

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    "dangerous" people don't get locked up in the psychiatry, they get their treatment/in "criminal" cases their punishment in special departments called "forensic" - high security places with kinda 24hours surveilance. in europe there's a special way to deal with the treat they represent, it's called something like "preventive detention" - an unconditional imprisonment which could last to the very end of the life of the culprit, worked over again and again by professional forensical psychiatrists who examine the detainee in certain intervalls and decide about the continuation of the imprisonment or a release. there have been famous "errors" in the past, child murderers and serial rapists who immidiately backsliding into their old habits despite a "positive" evaluation of their mental state by "specialists", on the other side i've met people who were imprisoned for almost twenty years only because of serial shoplifting or some minor violent incident - sometimes the outcome depends very much on a judge or the quality of judical defence - too bad if you have a lawyer with some strange ideas or kinda bad mood coming from the minimum gage he/she gets from your case...
    general i think the problem with psychiatry isn't the "asylum" character anymore, it's just the strain of the great number of people in mental troubles in a health trade depending too much on medicals - the psychological or social aspect runs too short, so you get haldol zombies as a standard practice and young crazed punks with more than a dozen different pills in their head - too bad that they still don't function like they are supposed to be... let's try the next series of pharmaceutical wonder weapons... a real bad thing to watch if the story runs and runs over years and decades.
    serial killers i learned recently aren't "treatable" in the psychiatric/psychological aspect, there is still no fitting diagnosis for their more or less inhuman mental state and according to some writers, there will never be an exact diagnosis - because they function beyond "normal" human powers of imagination - how to describe someone's mental working completely free from emotions or comprehensible reasoning, serial killers are sometimes described as "only human on the outside", walking around like aliens mimicking and watching the "cattle" on it's daily business - and worth a nice quiet place in a forensical station...
     
  10. james

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    Suicidality and psychosis are not necessarily the same things. Suicidality, is the feeling that there is no hope. Psychosis is having a set of beliefs that are not rooted in reality (i.e. there is a murderer under my bed).-not definitive definitions by any stretch.
    When someone is feeling suicidal, often their brain is not functioning sufficiently enough for them to be able to make rational choices ( I am not referring to the painfully and terminally ill, nor to those who sacrifice themselves to save others). To say that killing themselves is their choice, whilst it may be true, it is not a choice made with a fully functioning brain. As others before said, with help, it is possible to for these individuals to make a rational choice. Often that choice is to live.

    I would be interested to know how you feel psychiatry can be useful.

    Also, I suspect that the UK and US methods of admitting people to psychiatric hospitals are different, which may have a bearing on the discussion. To be admitted to hospital involuntarily requires the agreement of 2 doctors and a social worker. In the UK, after being involuntarily detained, one can appeal against that decision. If the individual does not do so, the administrators of the hospital must do so by law. The appeal is heard by a lawyer, a doctor and a layman.
     
  11. PunkRockAnarchy_666

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    first, i'm not racist i just can't stand IGNORANT people, not people of color, people who are ignorant, and i'm not anarchist, i really don't know what i would call myself, i just have my own opinions on everything, don't call me racist, don't call me anarchist, i'm neither. thank you. i believe if you have done something pretty messed up, you'll end up there, however i do also believe "big brother" will put you there if you "know too much" idk thats a whole messed up topic and alot of typing... mental institutions are a whole other story for me , they have saved my family's life... :| :| :| :| :| :|
     
  12. Derek Danger

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    Then shut up, because you've clearly never fucking tried it. People don't just kill themselves because of capitalism. Some people have feelings about other things.
     
  13. Bentheanarchist

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    . I have thought about killing myself before; I am an outcast with no friends where I live. I feel unbearable pain heart every day and also surrounded by conservative redneck assholes. I can't stand my parents also.
     
  14. Marzz

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    There are so many reasons to want to die. The outcomes of the system can definantly lead to a lot of them. Not all though.
     
  15. Derek Danger

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    Curiously, this doesn't answer my criticism. Anyhow, sooo... you feel bad and blame it on the system in your instance, so everybody who feels bad feels bad because of the system? And fuck, can we stop saying the system? What are we, listening to the Grateful Dead at a folk festival? Which frigging system do you even mean?

    Anyway, no! People have feelings and the world is terrible for much more complex reasons than the system, maaaan.
     
  16. Marzz

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    Maybe you aren't....

    A friend of the devil is a friend of mine la la la :ecouteurs: :lmao:
     
  17. Bentheanarchist

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    no man, I was just saying I know that feelings can cause suicidal thoughts or actions and that I am going through that myself.
     
  18. Derek Danger

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    Hey man, there's nothin' wrong with the Dead. It was just the hippiest thing I could think of at the time.
     
  19. Bentheanarchist

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    Yah, man The Grateful Dead; Yeah! I went to woodstock man.
     
  20. Bentheanarchist

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    I am against involuntary commitment of insane people. besides normal people are much more violent than mentally ill people.
     
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