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McDonald's animal cruelty

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by ungovernable, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. danzigmcfly

    danzigmcflyActive Member Forum Member


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    of course, but wage inequality is what you expect from a fast food place it would be unable to function and charge what it does if the employes were paid a living wage. i was trying to say that in my experience that franchised minimum wage jobs have a healthier workplace (not to say it is what it should be) than those who are corporate run operations.
     
  2. butcher

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    no-one's been 'booked' for 'flame wars', i just noted that I'd prefer the different arguments (in this instance between those which [were] occurring within the mods section and the one inre maccas and 'good wages' here) stay within their respective threads to avoid the re-occurrence of something like the sali(e) saga whereby an argument spills across multiple threads.

    I didn't mention 'flame wars', nor did I discourage 'flaming', in fact I actually encouraged it:
    My primary issue is one of context, not content.

    More snide than daft (or a bit of both), to put it more politely:
    What is the connection between 'endless flame wars' and 'an anarchist and anti-capitalist website'?

    Anywayz, I'm off to crush Kronstadt.
     
  3. Inna Ruts

    Inna RutsExperienced Member Experienced member


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    too late maybe lev davidowitsch, the commune imposed kind of a news blackout, which is very unusual to my experience with those extremists who really meant it all the time i was spending with them.
    i hope it's only extremists paedagogic trickery forcing me to make up my mind about this mess myself -
    but if Kronstadt left the pet cementary... congratulations would be sarcastic i guess?

    taking a look around and making up my mind was quite ... sometimes, guess i would get some angry looks for some of my impressions, interpretations and deduction of things deleted or threads i can't access, but it's my personal thing and i don't want to step in for people who do theirs and so already might have moved on.

    mixing apples with dramaqueens (from out of context) and notorious consumerist mimicks wasn't really a good idea in my eyes - and i would have taken it personally - but of course i wouldn't say that in public.
    - well, smells like soviet spirits to my nose and i'm really grateful that asking me
    is asking the wrong person, i'll take the pretty excuse - and yes, butcher bronstein, you never mentioned flame wars and you never mentioned it in context with people who were - at least in public - never blamed for flaming others:
    and yes, the euro-trash card isn't daft at all, only snide if anything or a bit of both, but it didn't really happened too and what/where or a bit of both the fuck is Кронштадт...?!
     
  4. Inna Ruts

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    wage inequality is part of the usual carrot-on-a-stick-tactic used in capitalist organized labour justified with inequality of qualification and responsibility for the success - but this isn't really the problem with this growing part-time-low-pay sector.
    if the majority of workers are part timers with a working time limited by tax- and insurance free conditions the income of individual part timers is pretty much the same as their colleagues - the important point is - at least in europe - the saving of the employers part on health insurance, unemployment and social security duties to pay - so three or four part timers come cheaper than one full time job. the next point is the status in labour laws - part timers don't count as employees, aren't fully protected against firing - the enterprise doesn't have to have shop committe of representatives, most low pay companies aren't members of employers associations - a perfectly almost lawless space for minimum wages and any breach of work safety or cover for illness - most trade unions aren't interested in part timers and don't support them.
    i think working for a corporate enterprise is much healthier than slaving for minimum wage - because of the labour laws, the trade unions - and the guy three states over lording over a hundred or so stores and having a hole legion of bureaucratic middle managers is quite a blessing compared with a franchise taking boss still hoping for profits while threatened by the usual business risks and the financial duties resulting from the franchise agreements - thats my experience from watching 14 mcdonalds chain stores in southern bavaria/germany.
    mc donalds keeps the profitable stores for itself - getting the profits directly and only franchising the less profitable stores, often in direct concurrence with the "true" subsidiaries or based in less attractive locations - and the franchise taker takes the risk, all the time paying to mc donalds, some suppliers, his part-time employees, the financial authorities, lawyers and and and - so the pressure to make a reasonable profit is building up and the fluctuation of workers is much stronger than in the "true" mcdonals led by a rarely present manager half god...
     
  5. Bentheanarchist

    BentheanarchistExperienced Member Experienced member


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    Fight Flame War! Not Flame Wars!
     
  6. exploited casualty

    exploited casualtyMember Forum Member


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    i don't give money to kfc, mcdonalds, burger king or anything, because of the abuse, it's sickening and wrong. they will do anything for money, they only care about money! a chicken is a chicken nugget to them before it's even been killed. scum bags!
     
  7. Misledpunk

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  8. LiveVeganStayVegan

    LiveVeganStayVeganActive Member Forum Member


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