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Liking a band means agreeing with their beliefs?

Discussion in 'Music, punk scene & subcultures' started by trevor9849, Feb 9, 2011.

  1. JackNegativity

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    I recently found a stash of old CDs, spent the afternoon shredding the NSBM and RAC ones. Many of them were burned CDRs. You just have to make a commitment, all or nothing.
     
  2. ungovernable

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    Like it has been explained many times through these debates, even if you don't buy it you are still supporting it.

    Just by talking about them you raise their page rank in google search.
    When you download an album you will probably put it in your music collection so you are sharing it on soulseek and other p2p.
    When you download a torrent you contribute to seed it.
    When you watch a youtube video you raise the page rank in the search engine and you give more views to it.
    When you listen to this music with friends you contribute to promote it
    Etc...

    And those other peoples you are influencing may buy an album or go see them live...
     
  3. KAAOS-82

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    First off Vargs biography is sketchy at best, there's is practically nothing written about him and most of it is here say and rumours.
    Pinching articles off Wikipedia isn't in my opinion a valid source, if you know anything about Black Metal, most people who are featured in the Book: Lords of Chaos dismiss it as complete batshit by a douchebag that wasn't even there, using good old Ungovernables favourite sauce:

    Both examples Ungov gave were from that book. and You even quote yourself
    Which has been my point all along, I don't listen to any of his synthesizer shit that he recorded in prison, I only listen to his first two albums. And regardless of how much you bitch and moan ungov, I will still listen to it. So what if he likes Norse Mythology, I happen to love Norse Mythology as well as Fantasy fiction, that's what Burzum musically are about, the fact he had a brief flirtation with Nazism in prison is largely inconsequential to me. And besides, everything you pay for Ungov is most likely taxed by your government, therefore your supporting your government are you not??? Aren't you encouraging the capitalists and your government by your logic?
    Thanks for encouraging the arseholes that oppress workers, send children to war and exploit us all. Fucking idiot
     
  4. KAAOS-82

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    Haha tell me, how does one have such an massive shift in political belief? as most racist attitudes are institutionalised through up bringing. I'd like to know how going from Far Right to Far Left happens
     
  5. JackNegativity

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    It happens when wp girls recruit bored unemployed 19 year old apolitical skinheads looking for someone to blame their troubles on. It was short lived, though (I wasn't interested in having babies for the aryan race and the wp girls went away)...as well as a decade ago. Many of the CDs were from when I considered myself non-political, I "wasn't supporting them" by not buying their music. I didn't discover left-wing politics until about 5 or 6 years ago, and it took about 2-3 years for it to fully grow on me.
     
  6. KAAOS-82

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    Fair enough
     
  7. ungovernable

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    You said he NEVER identified himself as a neo nazi.

    And even before his incarceration, he was still a fucking racist scumbag.

    That's like loving hitler's painting before he took the power. Or listening the Skrewdriver before they became nazis.

    I know. You're a fucking idiot and you will always stay a fucking idiot, i already learned that debating with you and noticing your total absence of self-questionning.

    Being a dumbass again.... Oh yeah right, the dude is a racist, a national socialist, he publish white power books, he is a nazi, and the fact that he likes mythology and ancient runes is just a coincidence. Weird coincidence that his favorite signs from this mythology is the Blood&Honour rune and the nationalist celtic cross.... Just a small detail, huh?

    Oh yeah, right, it's just a small detail, huh?

    You're a fucking joke Kaaos-82, i can't even believe you pretend to be an anti-fascist. Stop defending this fucking racist asshole, he is still sellling white power propaganda so he's still an enemy to us.

    By the way, where do you take your facts from ? Quote me a serious source that says he isn't racist anymore. As far as i know, he just label himself as racialist instead of racist and isn't affiliated to neo-nazi organisations anymore, but i never found any serious declaration where he says he is now against racism.

    Wanting to kill anarchists is not something i'd call meaningless and "a small flirting".

    Wow you are really a fucking big retard. Probably the most stupid and hilarious reason i ever heard to excuse supporting nazis.

    Yeah you're right kaaos, since i can't stop supporting government by paying taxes why not support nazis, it's the same thing eh?.... You're really a fucking big idiot.

    Look, you CAN'T stop paying taxes but you CAN stop helping the nazis to fund their propaganda and paying bombs to kill our comrades.

    You're a dumbass, if this guy planted a bomb and killed dozens of your anarchist friends you would still like him and encourage his music ??

    Shut the fuck up, you are not in a good situation to critize anyone on that, at least he changed and stopped to listen to shitty music, unlike you who hasn't progressed a single inch.
     
  8. KAAOS-82

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    Your like shooting fish in a Barrel Ungov, get off your high horse and stop playing angelic anarchist on the internet. Come back to me after you've torched a police car or burnt a church ;)
     
  9. ungovernable

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    Nice once again you dont know what to say, you're pathetic. "Come back to me after you've torched a police car or burnt a church" what the fuck is this ridiculous childish comeback ? You burnt a chruch maybe ? Yeah right... And even if you did, it gives you the right to encourage people bombing anarchist comrades ?
     
  10. KAAOS-82

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    Varg burnt a church dumbarse, that was the joke. sheeesh you really are up your own arse
     
  11. KAAOS-82

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  12. ungovernable

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    Oh ok, so because he burnt a chruch he's cool and we can encourage his nazi bullshit ? You're a fucking douchebag kaaos-82.

    The nazis from National Alliance publish a lot of cool nazi music with non-political lyrics, you should go check it out and help them out, fucking collaborationist.
     
  13. KAAOS-82

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    Your so petty you delete entire threads I post. I feel sorry for you ungov, clearly bullied lots as a child and the only way you get your kicks is from doing to people you cant see on the internet. Very Sad man, have some drugs and chill out
     
  14. vAsSiLy77

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    he burned down a church to erect a "pagan" temple to his nordic gods on the very same spot - or to "revenge" the violent christianisation of the nordic people in history that replaced one superstition with another one - where is the joke in that?

    the joke is, that almost everything we and science know about nordic mythology is what christian monks and writers "told" us, the "edda" for example is written by christian monks while the pagans hardly wrote a single word about their belief - so the nazifucks who promote odin and wotan as gods just fall for christian propaganda... huh!
     
  15. DZA

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    None of those things are gonna make that much difference though are they? The bands will keep on doing what they're doing regardless of youtube plays, downloads etc.
     
  16. JackNegativity

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    It will be hard for them to keep on doing what theyre doing if we keep a close enough watch on them and keep getting their shows shut down. On top of that, keeping these WP bands low ranked in google search and not spreading their music on P2P programs is going to severely limit their exposure.
     
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    If you listen to screwdriver your a cunt, face it. SOD is a bunch of ignorant people who didnt understand the magnitude of their lyrics, they werent racist they were just pissed they didnt get their goddamn burger with no mayonaise. As for Anal Cunt there a joke, they set out to be the most unmusical offensive band and succeeded quite nicely. You dont need to agree with everything a band says but shit theres a point to draw the line. As for people with crass logos on their leather jackets, it makes about as much sense as putting a Minor Threat sticker on your crack pipe.
     
  18. snookams

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    right, because all the members of crass didn't wear leather combat boots.
     
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    i used to have a bong with a minor threat sticker on it :)
     
  20. JackNegativity

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    :lmao:
     
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