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Lady Gaga is one of us!

Discussion in 'Music, punk scene & subcultures' started by SurgeryXdisaster, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Admin Team Experienced member


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    Comparing conflict to Lady Gaga is also very funny, there is an HUGE difference.

    I doubt conflict would accept to earn as much money as lady gaga does out of their lyrics, and even if they did i doubt they would be as selfish as lady gaga. Plus, conflict is not about singing dumb lyrics talking about having sex and making money and fucking random people.

    The funny fact is that when it comes down to the punk scene, i doubt any of you would defend Blink 182 or any other shitty pop-punk bands even if they "make money out of what they love"

    "Just incase you forgot" this is an anarchist forum, duh. You should be expecting anarchist-point-of-view in the answers to the posts of this forum, if you have anything against it then you should find another forum to post on.

    I answered you that you don't understand or didn't read because you talk about a "argumentation sounding like a christian criticism of lady gaga", yet only a very small part of my argumentation concern sexism and sex lyrics.

    If you think critizing the bourgeoisie ideas are a "christian argumentation" then you either didn't understand, or didn't read, or you are totally dumb.

    Your pityful argumentation is not even worth my time
     
  2. Anxiety69

    Anxiety69Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Asa knew damn well what he/she was saying, and it seems obvious He/She was using the word FAG in a negative light, trying to demean fagpunx20 yet using the guise of 'it's only his username.' Don't forget Asa also wrote "fuck niggers" in the shout box.
     
  3. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Admin Team Experienced member


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    wtf?
     
  4. Anxiety69

    Anxiety69Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    You dont remember this thread where he in vain justified saying that in the shout box? After I said he should be considered for banishment after typing "fuck niggers"?
    viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3425&hilit=lack
     
  5. ungovernable

    ungovernableAutonome Staff Member Admin Team Experienced member


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    Oh....

    I had read it, but i didn't understand anything of it since now

    now i understand what is the "N word" lol
     
  6. punkmar77

    punkmar77Administrator Staff Member Admin Team Experienced member


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    ASA explained it a 1000 times Anxiety and apologized why bring it back up? I understood what he was calling attention to, why didn't you? Now it is starting to be a personal thing between the two of you and I would expect more from two long-standing members. If it is personal now it doesn't belong on this site. ASA was making a point about another member using a derogatory term for homosexuals, and when ASA brought it up and called that member on it all the mods ignored him, so he typed in F*** N****** to wake everyone the fuck up and he was right to use shock tactics..... so quit throwing kindling on that fire please.
     
  7. punkmar77

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    WTF? Are you serious?
     
  8. Anxiety69

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    Oh what, i'm not anarcho because i think people shouldn't be forced to support other people with their money? Let me guess, i'm probably not anarcho also because i feel someone who works hard should be rewarded more then someone who doesn't. I'm not a communist, doesn't mean I don't want no government. Sorry if i don't fit into your image of what an anarchist is.

    don't get me wrong, i hate capitalism. i'd like to see it smashed, but i'm not sure how you could justify giving a doctor the same wage or equivalent of a fast food worker for example.
     
  9. Ring Of Truth

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    I guess the point that I wanted to make (other than to stir up some thoughts from you all) is that does the amount of money a person have really make them a worse or better person? For the most part I hate rich people because of how they treat those that don't have as much as them and their intolerance and ignorance about others... but there are a lot of people who do have a lot of money who are good people. I am going to pose some questions to you, I am not going to give my opinion but merely pose some questions.

    1.) Should we hate an artists, actor, musician, etc. based purely on how much money they have?

    2.) Is it right to judge people that we don't know based purely on how popular they are?

    3.) If an artist, actor, musician, etc. who makes a lot of money doing what they love, do you think that if money and capitalism ceased to exist that they would no longer do what they do? And if they would continue even without being paid for it, would you still hate them?

    4.) Is there actually anything wrong with music, art, music, etc. that has nothing to do with politics and anarchism? Is there anything wrong with singing songs that aren't serious, that are about sex, drugs, and partying?

    Before you just spout off rash, reactionary answers, I want you to think about it... I might state my opinions later, but I just want to know what some of you think. The last thing I posted to see what you thought had some interesting, and surprising responses, especially by Ungovernable, I didn't expect such a reaction from him.
     
  10. Anxiety69

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    no purely because they have money. Hating someone just because they are rich is like hating someone because they are a different race or religion. However, what they do with their money could easily form basis on which to hate them.


    Again, I think it is more what they do with their popularity then just hating someone for being popular. is someone uses it to inform others about important issues, that is better then someone who just hogs the spotlight for attention.

    It depends, are they doing it for the money or for the love of doing it? If they love it, i imagine they still would, however reality would settle in that there is more important things to attend to then doing art 24 /7. As far as would i hate them, i can't say i really hate any popular celebs for the money they make, i hate more how they exploit that resource.

    Absolutely nothing wrong with art for arts sake. Not everything should be serious, people need to remember to breath and have fun once in a while to live a healthy life. I think songs encouraging sex drugs and drinking are lame, but if other people like that shit, more power to them. it shouldn't be disallowed or anything.


    My question is do you see athletes in the same light as artists, as far as hating them for being rich and such?

    Frankly, I hate the system for MAKING those people so rich more then the people themselves. It's hard to fault someone who uses their talent to take advantage of a fucked up system that rewards them accordingly.
     
  11. punkmar77

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    No but entitling rich people to be "selfish and tightwads with their money" is defenitely not Anarcho by any stretch of the imagination, that has nothing to do with equivilant wages. Rich people generally acheive their riches by oppressing the working classes in one form or another. I am working class and I am royally oppressed, I'm not stupid or slow or lazy or drug addicted or alcaholic and I would challenge you to find a harder worker, yet I am undeniably oppressed by the capitalist system. Your words not mine and with those words you shun anarchism's basic principles not my image Anxiety. Also not being snarky.
     
  12. Anxiety69

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    it is naive and a bit sad to think that every rich person got that way by oppressing other people.
    And excuse me but isn't telling people how they can and can not or must and must not spend their money pretty fascist?

    Whatever, I'm all for getting rid of capitalism anyways, so there's no real need to argue over this.
     
  13. punkmar77

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    I'm not arguing, your comments just caught me by surprise is all
     
  14. Anxiety69

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    Well, once we destroy capitalism, it wont really be an issue :)
     
  15. ungovernable

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    What i find surprising on this anarcho-punk forum is not the "excessive reactions by some peoples" but the ones who support what is in fact, the bourgeoisie and the embourgeoised art.

    I don't know if any of you have read some stuff by Guy Debord and Situationism.... I suggest you start by "the society of spectacle" this fits exactly to shitty artist like Lady Gaga and other bourgeois

    To make short, Guy Debord (a very serious anarchist (with marxist influences) theorician by the way) said that the Society of Spectacle is the final part of a big advanced capitalist society, this is what keeps the dumb and ignorant peoples of staying dumb and ignorant. I'll not elaborate here, the only thing i can suggest you is to read the society of spectacle.

    This is why i hate and will always hate bourgeoisie arts.

    A (very) vague definition here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Societ ... _Spectacle

    Maybe you should ask yourself the reasons why you hate shitty sellout punk bands, i'm sure you have yourself used the word "sellout" many times in your life

    Why are you an anarcho-punk ? Why do you listen to anarcho-punk ? Why not Blink 182, sum 41, new found glory or some other emo bullshit ?

    I'm pretty sure you could say you don't like emo bands because they are spreading a dumb message, do you think sexist capitalist artists like lady gaga are better ?

    Do you like gangsta rap ? You think artists like 50 cents or other similar bullshit singing about dealing crack, killing peoples, random violence and sexism is great ? You think they deserve to be defended by anarchists ?

    Following your logic we should stop critizing everything and accept any kind of shitty bullshit putting forward a dumb image.

    Maybe you also like Bill Gates and Robert Murdoch ? After all, they are doing what they love, like you said they have the right to make money out of their work..... Or.... Oh wait.... Your logic only apply to artists ?

    And what about the sport athletes who are selfish millionaires ? What about the president of the biggest multinationals who have 10 houses and 20 cars ? Following the logical brought by many peoples here, as soon as you create something (as little as it can be) you deserve everything that you get from, and your actions and selfishness is totally excused.

    What the fuck are you fighting against ? Who will you fight against when the revolution comes ?

    Who cares if she keeps doing what she's doing, at least her wealth will be redistributed equally and i doubt she would want to play in an anarchist society because all she cares about is the money. Have you ever heard of Lady Gaga doing a show in a third world country, africa or something like that ? And with the social consciousness aquired by a social revolution i doubt there would be many places willing to host shitty sexist, pro-capitalist and reactionary shows like that.

    The day that sellout artists will play for free isn't near, and probably will never happen.

    Seriously guys stop defending Lady Gaga, even Celine Dion is better than her and has WAY more social consciousness. Celine Dion's last tour was in Africa, have you seen many millionaire pop artists doing that ? Yet i'm pretty sure most of you would agree to say she sucks. Lady Gaga is definatly one of the WORST pop "artist" of all times.

    Maybe you guys should define what being an anarchist stands for, because it looks like many of you have totally forgotten what anti-capitalism is all about.
     
  16. ungovernable

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    Then please define what economic oppression in a capitalist system is.

    If wal-mart and mcdonalds are oppressors, then why not the other rich persons of this planet ?

    As long as there will be peoples without homes and peoples dying of hunger, and on the other side rich peoples like Lady Gaga making millions and not sharing with anybody, there will be oppression.

    As long as 5% of the population will hold 90% of the wealth, this is oppression. (lady gaga being part of the 90%)

    Bourgeoisie IS oppression. Lady Gaga IS part the highest bourgeoisie. She's part of the highest hierarchy of the capitalist society, it's enough to hate her and what she's doing, for the same reasons you hate the peoples who keep this system working.

    Then i guess i'm a big fascist because not only i want to FORCE (i mean that i want a collective revolution where THE PEOPLES will FORCE, not only I) the rich peoples to stop buying 10 houses and 20 cars worth a million each, but i also want to TAKE AWAY this money from them and redistribute it equally. That's what an anti-capitalist revolution stand for.
     
  17. ungovernable

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    Oh and what about hollywood movies ? Peoples defending lady gaga here probably also think it's normal to make hundreds of millions with a movie ? After all it's what you could call "art"

    In conclusion, capitalism is great isn't it ? Where's the problem ?

    The Spectacle. The Society of Spectacle. And you are their spectators.


    (i hope i didn't offense anyone with my last messages, i'm trying to answer in a general matter, please don't take it personnally anyone)
     
  18. SurgeryXdisaster

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    it is quite sad how it is looked upon with great admiration. capitalism that is.
    all most kids want is to be rich and fuck everyone else but them and those who are close.
    and the cycle won't be stopped, the U.S. has locked its citizens into a world of consumerism.
    not just the government but the culture most of all.

    Lady gaga is just another talentless MTV whore who will die out when people stop caring.
    and they always do.

    Fuck the U.S.A.
     
  19. DrunkSquid

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    :lmao:
     
  20. BlinkoChrist

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    Im just gonna throw my two cents in here..

    I don't have a problem with lady gaga liking doom. She is a hypocrite for liking them, and maybe she should listen to some more crust/power violence bands, and get the message. Doesn't mean i like her, people can like whatever, she is ust a stupid ass. She sets a bad image for girls.

    I don't have a problem with people making money but unlike other people, i do have a problem with people BEING RICH. No one sould be ricfh while someone else is poor.

    So ungovernable, i kinda agree with you and timmy rot i kinda agree with you, please, tell me what you think about that.
     
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